metallichydra Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 we've probably all tried it. the dupes require oxygen, and at some point, they'll run out. but why even supply your dupes with oxygen, when you can instead harm them, for the same effect. introducing, an exploit on how to keep your dupes alive, by harming them. of course this was made in my own personal experimental sandbox world, but it doesnt change the results: oxygen can be replaced by harm. when recieving treatment for wounds, they wont need oxygen! these two voluntary test subjects have been in this vacuum-room for the same amount of time. one is harmed, the other isn't. so instead of wasting oxygen on duplicants, bring your club, sword, knife or whatever your enjoy torturing your slaves with. beat, not breath! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/108574-dupes-dont-need-to-breathe/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
qda Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 The difficulty will be to be able to reliably hurt them without killing them. And between the time spend to be beaten and the time spend to heal their wounds, they won't do much. However this is quite nice of an idea ! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/108574-dupes-dont-need-to-breathe/#findComment-1221743 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobucles Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 Is this the missing ingredient for dupe farming? Injure a dupe, stress them out, generate fountains of vomit and piss for your machinery. Just add wild food for a fountain of eternal water generation. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/108574-dupes-dont-need-to-breathe/#findComment-1221748 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander Block Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 Anabiosis on a spaceship that does not fly anywhere seems more humane. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/108574-dupes-dont-need-to-breathe/#findComment-1221761 Share on other sites More sharing options...
angrybovine Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 This has been around for a while now. Not the best exploit ever. If you are a competent player, you won't need this or use it unless you just want to keep adding Dupes that do nothing. This is basically the exploit no one needs unless they screw up on O2 completely. Not really sure that this can be called an exploit. The Dupes accomplish nothing, so what's the point? Maybe this is the Dupe equivalent to cryo-stasis...keep them on ice until things get better. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/108574-dupes-dont-need-to-breathe/#findComment-1221762 Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgamer123 Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 maybe we could dump heat on the black box...it seem you cannot really kill a dupe with heat(not melt at least) heat up....hurt...stress/piss >water cooling>give some super hot meat lice...>heat deletion....repeat Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/108574-dupes-dont-need-to-breathe/#findComment-1221766 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobucles Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 3 hours ago, angrybovine said: The Dupes accomplish nothing, so what's the point? Not entirely true. With a vomit dupe, you can reduce his resource burden and generate temperature controlled water. It's a very clever addition to duplicant ranching. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/108574-dupes-dont-need-to-breathe/#findComment-1221851 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitroturtle Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 Why not just kill the dupe? Same result, they stop consuming oxygen and no work gets done. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/108574-dupes-dont-need-to-breathe/#findComment-1221854 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoma_Nosme Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 Damn... Is your real name Darth Stalin bin-Laden by any chance? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/108574-dupes-dont-need-to-breathe/#findComment-1221858 Share on other sites More sharing options...
metallichydra Posted July 8, 2019 Author Share Posted July 8, 2019 21 minutes ago, bobucles said: Not entirely true. With a vomit dupe, you can reduce his resource burden and generate temperature controlled water. It's a very clever addition to duplicant ranching. and the duplicant also pee's resulting in more water. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/108574-dupes-dont-need-to-breathe/#findComment-1221868 Share on other sites More sharing options...
watermelen671 Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 9 hours ago, badgamer123 said: maybe we could dump heat on the black box...it seem you cannot really kill a dupe with heat(not melt at least) Well theoretically you can. However if attempted the resulting effect is that the dupe will begin to melt into itself and the game will crash. Then again I haven't attempted to melt a dupe since the Thermal Upgrade... Spoiler I did it for science. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/108574-dupes-dont-need-to-breathe/#findComment-1222043 Share on other sites More sharing options...
metallichydra Posted July 9, 2019 Author Share Posted July 9, 2019 20 hours ago, badgamer123 said: maybe we could dump heat on the black box...it seem you cannot really kill a dupe with heat(not melt at least) heat up....hurt...stress/piss >water cooling>give some super hot meat lice...>heat deletion....repeat they take damage if they its too hot - that's actually how i found out that they dont need oxygen. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/108574-dupes-dont-need-to-breathe/#findComment-1222244 Share on other sites More sharing options...
qda Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 10 hours ago, watermelen671 said: Well theoretically you can. However if attempted the resulting effect is that the dupe will begin to melt into itself and the game will crash. I'm curious on how you do that ! Did you actually melt a dupe and observe liquid genetic ooze, or does the game crashes before, because of the temperature being out of bounds ? In debug mode, the maximum temperature seems to be capped at 1°C lower than the melting point of genetic ooze (and neutronium). However, it seems that when I managed to go beyond that temperature, game crashed instantly, unfortunately. Liquid dupes are the future, obviously since they can go through 1 tile high corridors. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/108574-dupes-dont-need-to-breathe/#findComment-1222247 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nakomaru Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 This is because of the triage bed giving breath +1%/s which was needed for Old Slimelung. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/108574-dupes-dont-need-to-breathe/#findComment-1222273 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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