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Would not it be nice if Wickerbottom was in the 1st stage of Alzheimer's?

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B1G13L    90
21 minutes ago, UncleMikeE said:

The hostility here is hilarious.  Lighten up folks. In fact go watch the movie, "Folks."  It's a light hearted comedy centered around a character with Alzheimer's.  Is it a terrible disease sure but to get upset and go on a diatribe just because someone mentions it is ridiculous.

On top of that politicizing it like only the left gets triggered is just plain ludicrous. If anyone thinks the far right doesn't run for their safe spaces just as often you either live in a bubble or just plain refuse to look at things objectively.

Don't let these people beat you up OP.  It's a decent idea. Was it a poor choice to link it to a disease, probably, but you're not a monster for it.

suddenly, politics

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UncleMikeE    50
29 minutes ago, WhatDidYouSay said:

suddenly, politics

Suddenly? You must have missed a couple.

 

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1bubbainpa    566

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On-topic, I feel like this mechanic would be annoying to deal with. I honestly tried to think of ways to make this mechanic interesting, but all of it could be alleviated by always having a pre-prototyped alchemy engine for any occasion where wicker would be away from her base.

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FreyaMaluk    4,680
12 hours ago, UncleMikeE said:

All this shade and lecturing on how terrible a disease Alzheimer's is seems a bit unnecessary.  Especially to someone who is a non native English speaker trying to formulate an idea so that the rest of us can understand.

I actually don't hate this idea. It doesn't have to be Alzheimer's but maybe a forgetful mechanic.  Something akin to an absent minded professor.  Wicker is the librarian.  Presumably she knows a lot because she's read a lot of books. Maybe after a certain time of not crafting something she needs to quote unquote look it up again before she remembers.

Alzheimer is pretty much a universal term in all languages so I really don't think that was a "missing in translation" issue...

and nope.. adding random diseases that are against lore are simply bad suggestions...

as I said before from a lore standpoint makes no sense... time doesn't really progress in the constant... and characters don't age in the constant either

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Borba    11
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2 hours ago, FreyaMaluk said:

Alzheimer is pretty much a universal term in all languages so I really don't think that was a "missing in translation" issue...

and nope.. adding random diseases that are against lore are simply bad suggestions...

as I said before from a lore standpoint makes no sense... time doesn't really progress in the constant... and characters don't age in the constant either

not everyone has the words on the tip of their tongue. 
Alzheimer's... may be "recent memory loss" like Dory (Finding Nemo)

***If it's not Wickerbottom, may be another which does not even exist!

*It's cool because it can bring a special necessity.
*can be more difficult, it is exciting.
a new gameplay!

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/features/finding-dory-what-made-finding-nemo-such-a-hit-with-fans-of-all-ages-a7085266.html%3Famp&ved=2ahUKEwi8gaHUr7XiAhXJmVkKHSWCBRMQFjAPegQIBBAB&usg=AOvVaw1L87RzDhanweoPfooMhHwf&ampcf=1&cshid=155874274808

21 hours ago, TheKingDedede said:

Quero dizer, a doença de Alzheimer é gravemente uma das doenças mais horripilantes que existe atualmente. Ele lentamente apaga suas memórias, que podem ser confundidas com demência precoce por seus entes queridos. Com o tempo, ele começa a afetar outras partes do cérebro, como remover e esquecer as funções motoras básicas, como andar ou movimentar as mãos. Em seguida, ele progride para apagar outras habilidades, como a capacidade de respirar corretamente.

Fora de todas as doenças para anexar a um personagem, porque a doença de Alzheimer?

 

21 hours ago, TheKingDedede said:
2 hours ago, FreyaMaluk said:

Alzheimer é praticamente um termo universal em todas as línguas, então eu realmente não acho que foi uma questão de "falta de tradução" ...

e não ... adicionar doenças aleatórias que são contra o folclore são simplesmente más sugestões ...

como eu disse antes, do ponto de vista do lore, não faz sentido ... o tempo não progride na constante ... e os personagens não envelhecem na constante

 

5 hours ago, Wilson_pl said:

Cara...

Há pessoas que conheciam ou amavam pessoas que morreram de Alzheimer, e que muitas pessoas gostam do Wickerbottom e que odiariam lembrar-se disso acontecendo com seus entes queridos ...

Apenas seja pelo menos um pouco sensível ...

 

5 hours ago, __IvoCZE__ said:

* Alzheimer fica em  espanhol  warbucks *

mas a doença de Alzheimer é uma doença ruim e seria um mau mecanismo a ser implementado, mesmo que a obtenção de algum tipo de amnésia no mapa (amapnéia?) seria menos trabalhosa.

 

5 hours ago, Shpee said:

Em primeiro lugar, a doença de Alzheimer é uma doença terrível, segundo, seria um mecânico horrível de qualquer maneira, porque as  estações de criação existem , tornando-se controverso e irrelevante.

 

6 hours ago, sinisterrkid said:

Os primeiros estágios e sintomas da doença de Alzheimer estão relacionados ao comportamento motor. Eu sei que não importa aqui, mas é sempre bom saber coisas importantes.

 

7 hours ago, Terra_Zina said:

Como outros notaram, o Alzheimer é um assunto muito delicado para ser adicionado como mecânico. É horrível, traumatizante. Se realmente quiséssemos uma mecânica de caráter 'esquecida', a perda de memória a curto prazo seria uma opção melhor  se fosse feita corretamente .

 

15 hours ago, CaptainChaotica said:

Borba, você obviamente nunca teve que interagir com qualquer pessoa com Alzheimer em uma base regular ... é uma das doenças mais assustadoras e assustadoras de todos os tempos. Você basicamente perde seu amado ANOS antes que eles realmente morram. Eles não podem falar com você de forma coerente. Eles não conseguem lembrar de nada. Eles se transformam em bebês que precisam ser constantemente vigiados, trocados de fraldas, perdem suas posses o tempo todo, tentam se desviar e, sem certos medicamentos, podem ficar paranóicos e / ou combativos. Lembro-me de uma vez o ente querido perto de mim que de repente começou a gritar a plenos pulmões que estávamos tentando matá-lo. Foi horrível. Eu não conseguia parar de chorar. Isso traumatizou o bip fora de mim.

O único e (graças a deus) tempo em minha vida que eu tive que ligar para o 911 foi quando eu o encontrei ... tendo convulsões no chão. Eu estava sozinho em casa na época. Minha mãe, meu irmão e eu ficamos no hospital esperando as convulsões diminuírem e ouvir o diagnóstico, mas continuou e continuou. Finalmente nós fomos para casa e minha mãe ficou, e depois eu descobri que tinha tomado oito. HORAS para parar as convulsões e que ele tinha Alzheimer. 

Esse foi o dia em que minha vida se quebrou. O esquecimento, a desatenção, a perambulação ... nada disso foi apenas uma fase. Não ia ficar melhor. SEMPRE. Sempre, sempre. Meu amado foi basicamente ido para sempre. Eu chorei meu rosto por uns dois dias sólidos (quero dizer, enormes gritinhos de vez em quando durante todo o dia, não como 24/7), perdi a maior parte da minha criatividade, perdi minha energia e (depois de visitar uma encolher por um tempo, cuja técnica não me ajudou em nada) acabou tomando remédios antidepressivos. Eles ajudam no sentido de acalmar meu sinal sonoro. Mas ainda não sinto nada como o meu antigo eu.

Quando chegou ao seu funeral, não chorei muito porque já tinha feito o meu luto. Porque, você vê ... quando um ente querido tem Alzheimer ... você os perde muito antes de realmente morrerem. Não é engraçado. Não é "Oh, ha ha, olhe para o velho vovô Simpson!" É aterrorizante. Seu cérebro, sua mente, suas memórias de tudo, incluindo você, simplesmente se esgueiram cada vez mais longe e não há nada que alguém possa fazer.

Desculpem trazer o clima para baixo, mas ... este é um assunto insanamente deprimente. Não há como não fazer isso.

...Notório

 

15 hours ago, MrKoopa said:

Eu tive um parente que morreu de Alzheimer, não me importo realmente se um personagem o tiver. Não conhecia o parente, mas ouviu que ele era um dos homens mais gentis do mundo.

Eu teria que dizer que não faria sentido se Wicker tivesse. Eu gosto do jeito que ela é agora. E muitos outros também. Ela provavelmente não vai mudar muito.

 

20 hours ago, Starlogy said:

minha avó morreu de Alzheimer, eu gostaria de não anexar esse traço a um personagem que eu gosto.

 

21 hours ago, TheKingDedede said:

Quero dizer, a doença de Alzheimer é gravemente uma das doenças mais horripilantes que existe atualmente. Ele lentamente apaga suas memórias, que podem ser confundidas com demência precoce por seus entes queridos. Com o tempo, ele começa a afetar outras partes do cérebro, como remover e esquecer as funções motoras básicas, como andar ou movimentar as mãos. Em seguida, ele progride para apagar outras habilidades, como a capacidade de respirar corretamente.

Fora de todas as doenças para anexar a um personagem, porque a doença de Alzheimer?


Sorry, I did not 

intention

 

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TheKingDedede    2,964
42 minutes ago, Borba said:


Está bem. Nós nunca quis ficar com raiva de você. Eu acho que algo pode ter sido perdido na tradução.

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Borba    11
7 hours ago, sinisterrkid said:

The first stages and symptoms of Alzheimer are motor-related. I know it doesn't matter here but it's always nice to know important things.

was just an example, could not express myself right.
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Pop Guy    2,332
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15 hours ago, Borba said:

was just an example, could not express myself right.

The surreal thing is that it seemed obvious to me, that he meant a generic "memory loss", as a new game mechanic.
A little common sense was enough to understand that it didn't refer to a real thing but to a new gameplay mechanism.

:D

 

17 hours ago, Borba said:

Sorry, I did not 

intention

You do not have to apologise.
You have not written anything wrong, others have read strange things ;)
I like the idea of Wicker who forgets prototypes. 

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__IvoCZE__    5,071
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9 hours ago, Borba said:

not everyone has the words on the tip of their tongue. 
Alzheimer's... may be "recent memory loss" like Dory (Finding Nemo)

***If it's not Wickerbottom, may be another which does not even exist!

*It's cool because it can bring a special necessity.

*can be more difficult, it is exciting.

Dory is faking it god damn it.

there's no way she has recent memory loss when she can clearly remember the ship 

Spoiler

that took nemo and dad is looking for

that sailed near her

 

It's not a special necessity.

Ya need a hambat? just place down an alchemy engine or carry some in bundling wraps.

Ya need a book? well just use a manure ton of papyrus to mass craft them all at once.

 

It's not difficult, It's just annoying to deal with.

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B1G13L    90
13 hours ago, UncleMikeE said:

Suddenly? You must have missed a couple.

 

ah, i must've forgotten

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pedregales    332

I wouldn't have a problem with a character with Alzheimer/forgetfulness, and I mean, we already have depression (almost suicidal) Wendy, a child capable of summoning through a blood pact, and using for combat, the ghost of her dead sister. So it is not really that bad, and I know how dementia is like.

But the problem that I see is that this seems like near-sightedness of Wagstaff:

  • She (assuming it is given to Wicker, specially since one of the screens refer to her fogs of mind) knows 1st science level as she already does.
  • A day passes and she forgets everything. But she can prototype it all again (gaining sanity as that is a feature of prototyping, maybe).
  • Does she keep the prototyped stuff forever now or she keeps forgetting essentially requiring to be close to a research station in order to keep crafting stuff? If so, it will get annoying fast.

It would really imitate forgetting stuff very well, but it has the problem that you have to require crafting stations (or going to base) a bit too often in order to keep crafting common stuff like log armor, spear, dark sword, and other such items.

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Bleksmits    187

she forgets how to craft very basic items axe pickaxe hammer torch when shes sanity goes 0 cause of  books or book is used when sanity is 0. that could be temporary problem, crafting icons goes grayish not usable till sanity goes back to normal, to sane or whatever.. if she uses book with 0 sanity more times like 5 times these gray temporary blocked icons goes under lock what means she needs find or make some science engine to remember crafting recipe. last category she forgets map.

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FreyaMaluk    4,680
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11 hours ago, UncleMikeE said:

You can think what you like as can I. When I read it I knew immediately what the OPs intention was. It wasn't to give her a disease but to give her a forgetful mechanic.  Besides, when it comes to random diseases that precedent has already been set.

I have and continue to agree that using Alzheimer's was a poor choice but sometimes intentions truly do matter.  I am sympathetic to those who have had first hand experience with it but I also have empathy for the person being unfairly scolded.

As for lore I don't see the same conflict that you do. Time does indeed exist in the Constant. There is very clearly a day night cycle and a seasonal progression. Both of those things require the concept of Time.  You can argue one doesn't age in the Constant, and you would be correct, but that does not require the absence of Time.

Wicker is the librarian. Presumably her vast knowledge comes from reading copious amounts of books during her tenure as said librarian.  An extremely small percentage of human beings can truly claim to remember everything they've ever read. Sometimes something has to be read again to be remembered. In the Constant Wicker no longer has access to her library.  In order to maintain her knowledge her mind will occasionally let go of information she has learned while there.  Better to lose information learned with a device you have access to rather than a book you may never see again.

Now I am not saying I want this mechanic.  Honestly I don't think it adds anything fun to the game not does it really make anything more difficult but it is an interesting idea. 

I think creativityshould be encouraged.  Ideas should be discussed in a civil manner.  The pros and cons should be thoughtfully weighed.  People shouldn't be immediately attacked because someone doesn't like their idea.

 You can see my arguments are based on info in the game. 

As u said this mechanic is not new or interesting and I agree. 

Nothing more nothing less. So I don't really get u quoting me saying we should discussed in a civil manner when I stayed civil as far as I can tell.

Other people have a stronger emotional connection and they expressed it.

I simply don't support the idea of a random disease just because doesn't make sense for Wicker, doesn't offer something new to her, goes against her character design by making regaining sanity pretty ez. Nothing more nothing less. 

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