SkylordElberich Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 Look, someone was bound to make this post... might as well be me. I mean, if his files are still gonna be in the game, why not just keep him in the game proper? All you're doing by retiring him from the line-up is making a lot of people angry... me included. So please, reconsider your decision to retire him. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102657-bring-back-warbucks/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izuku_Midoriya Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 I agree. I want him back. Keep the current concept and polish him. I really want his big game hunter lines back too Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102657-bring-back-warbucks/#findComment-1152698 Share on other sites More sharing options...
oCrapaCreeper Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 He's only in the game so that people can still play him in existing worlds. It was probably for the best though, Wormwood ended up being a much more unique character that is useful in both Hamlet and other DLC, probably just needing small buffs. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102657-bring-back-warbucks/#findComment-1152700 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izuku_Midoriya Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 1 hour ago, oCrapaCreeper said: He's only in the game so that people can still play him in existing worlds. It was probably for the best though, Wormwood ended up being a much more unique character that is useful in both Hamlet and other DLC, probably just needing small buffs. But how does he fit the theme? Warbucks was de facto imperial Victorian era Britain. That fits the theme of the DLC perfectly. I don’t really understand why DLC specific characters are that big of an issue. We have linked worlds for a reason. Any non-unique aspects of Warbucks were either workable or because people got offended by dark humor and flaws in a game full of both and his lines got gutted Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102657-bring-back-warbucks/#findComment-1152719 Share on other sites More sharing options...
. . . Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 warbucks is gone Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102657-bring-back-warbucks/#findComment-1152720 Share on other sites More sharing options...
oCrapaCreeper Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 4 hours ago, Izuku_Midoriya said: But how does he fit the theme? Warbucks was de facto imperial Victorian era Britain. That fits the theme of the DLC perfectly. I don’t really understand why DLC specific characters are that big of an issue. We have linked worlds for a reason. Any non-unique aspects of Warbucks were either workable or because people got offended by dark humor and flaws in a game full of both and his lines got gutted The DLC literally takes place in a jungle, Woodworm fits very well with his alliance to nature. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102657-bring-back-warbucks/#findComment-1152792 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pradiante Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 Bring warbucks in back with new perks. - Holding Lost Relics in a stack in inventory - Lost Relics gives sanaty in inventory - Prices of Lost Relics are better for him - Tip pigs with coins for sanity - tea replenishes more sanity - being near a tea tree replenishes sanity - eating monster meat, beanbugs and gummy slugs causes sanity drop but provides a movement speed increse like panic attack For a Indiana Jones tipe of character: - can hold scorpians, spides and snakes in inventory if unarmed and relese them or kill for items (like birds) - can understand Mant - implemente the DST Tail o' Three Cats - hates spiders and silk Good luck Warbucks. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102657-bring-back-warbucks/#findComment-1152873 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dissentist Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 On 2/8/2019 at 7:36 PM, oCrapaCreeper said: He's only in the game so that people can still play him in existing worlds. It was probably for the best though, Wormwood ended up being a much more unique character that is useful in both Hamlet and other DLC, probably just needing small buffs. There is no reason both can't exist. Additionally, Wormwood crashed the game upon release, obviously this was a SUPER hasty decision. Wormwood sanity/health management right now is literally impossible. Heal from poop or ash, now go get that ash! Oh wait, you burned some plants? Sanity 0. Some pig guard burned plants, his farm, his flowers and you happen to be nearby? Sanity 0. Some mob knocks out some trees in your vicinity? Sanity 0. You run by a field and lightning strikes? Hah sanity 0. Bat attack after noon! Oops a guard lit one on fire and it just lit some plants! Sanity 0. The mod that brings back Warbucks removes Wormwood entirely, currently there is no option to have both and since you can't tell Steam to never update the game I can't even be sure Warbucks will work with the mod in a week, and knowing KLEI's track record I would say the probability of it breaking is close to 100% considering the 50+ obvious bugs that haven't been addressed at all, yet they had time to design a totally new character, because priorities! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102657-bring-back-warbucks/#findComment-1153359 Share on other sites More sharing options...
oCrapaCreeper Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 4 hours ago, dissentist said: There is no reason both can't exist. Additionally, Wormwood crashed the game upon release, obviously this was a SUPER hasty decision. Wormwood sanity/health management right now is literally impossible. Heal from poop or ash, now go get that ash! Oh wait, you burned some plants? Sanity 0. Some pig guard burned plants, his farm, his flowers and you happen to be nearby? Sanity 0. Some mob knocks out some trees in your vicinity? Sanity 0. You run by a field and lightning strikes? Hah sanity 0. Bat attack after noon! Oops a guard lit one on fire and it just lit some plants! Sanity 0. Have some pinecones and seeds in your inventory and suddenly none of this is an issue. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102657-bring-back-warbucks/#findComment-1153397 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cr4zyFl4mes Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 8 hours ago, dissentist said: There is no reason both can't exist. Additionally, Wormwood crashed the game upon release, obviously this was a SUPER hasty decision. Wormwood sanity/health management right now is literally impossible. Heal from poop or ash, now go get that ash! Oh wait, you burned some plants? Sanity 0. You can get ashes from burned items like sticks. That's free hp. He is harder in some aspects, but also has really good perks. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102657-bring-back-warbucks/#findComment-1153444 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sicko Hog Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 9 hours ago, dissentist said: Wormwood sanity/health management right now is literally impossible. I don't think you know what the word "literally" means. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102657-bring-back-warbucks/#findComment-1153454 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osbalop Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 You only have to burn some twigs and grass for easy health and if you just stay at a screen of distance of grass burning you wont lose sanity Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102657-bring-back-warbucks/#findComment-1153477 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinancoTheBest Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 On 09/02/2019 at 6:36 AM, oCrapaCreeper said: It was probably for the best though, Wormwood ended up being a much more unique character that is useful in both Hamlet and other DLC, probably just needing small buffs. That is not a helpful argument. What's preventing their coexistence? Shipwrecked introduced four new characters. They can both be in the game. and they should be. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102657-bring-back-warbucks/#findComment-1153533 Share on other sites More sharing options...
oCrapaCreeper Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 3 hours ago, SinancoTheBest said: That is not a helpful argument. What's preventing their coexistence? Shipwrecked introduced four new characters. They can both be in the game. and they should be. Shipwrecked introduced 4 new half-assed characters, most of which are useless outside of their DLC. The point is Klei is trying to make interesting characters that are useful and not repeat the mistake's Capy made in Shipwrecked. And JoeW already thoroughly explained yesterday in detail why Warbucks is not coming back and why he was removed. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102657-bring-back-warbucks/#findComment-1153680 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinancoTheBest Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 1 minute ago, oCrapaCreeper said: And JoeW already thoroughly explained yesterday in detail why Warbucks is not coming back and why he was removed. Because he wasn't "culturally appropriate"? With all due respect JoeW didn't reveal a beefalo manure worth of information on why they removed him, he just made diplomatic, circumvelent excuses that translates to "We are removing him for good and that's that". Of course a company gotta have secrets so there's no point in pushing the moderstors any further but claiming that they were transparent with their reasonings is misled and immature if you ask me. Perhapa I'm missing something in between the lines so please, by all means feel free to enlighten me with the solid reasons why Klei removed our favorite colonisl explorer in a cold, tearful valentines day moUrning. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102657-bring-back-warbucks/#findComment-1153686 Share on other sites More sharing options...
oCrapaCreeper Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 9 minutes ago, SinancoTheBest said: Because he wasn't "culturally appropriate"? With all due respect JoeW didn't reveal a beefalo manure worth of information on why they removed him, he just made diplomatic, circumvelent excuses that translates to "We are removing him for good and that's that". Of course a company gotta have secrets so there's no point in pushing the moderstors any further but claiming that they were transparent with their reasonings is misled and immature if you ask me. Perhapa I'm missing something in between the lines so please, by all means feel free to enlighten me with the solid reasons why Klei removed our favorite colonisl explorer in a cold, tearful valentines day moUrning. There wasn't a "beefalo manure worth of information" because this isn't that complicated. They didn't like Warbucks because he was too uninteresting in the gameplay and would rather spend time working on something new and unique with the time they have left. His concept doom's him to not really be useful in anyway outside of Hamlet either, which unlike Shipwrecked, is something Klei wants to make sure doesn't happen this time. That's why Wilba got a werepig form that makes her viable outside of Hamlet in the same update. The "culturally appropriate" thing is far from the biggest issue. They had already changed his more questionable strings long before he got removed, and no one actually complained about Warbucks in this regard. There was one thread pointing out his British Imperialism traits and that was it. It wasn't even a huge debate. They change his strings and that was the end of it pretty much. Nothing that would warrent removing him as much as the fact his gameplay just fell flat on its face. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102657-bring-back-warbucks/#findComment-1153687 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinancoTheBest Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 1 minute ago, oCrapaCreeper said: They didn't like Warbucks because he was too uninteresting in the gameplay and would rather spend time working on something new and unique with the time they have left. So do the newspapers read. Well if you're satisfied with it then fine, but I wouldn't believe that to be the only reason for a fracture of a second, especially after he, rather genuinely expressed his sorrow for removing something they put time, effort, care, -*cough*money- into.To me, it's clearly an executive decision they took after a, rather inconsiderate, cost-benefit assessment. There is always room for more basic characters, this is the company that didn't hesitate to add the character that half of everyone in these forums calls Wilson 2.0 to DST. The human creativity is boundless unless hindered by economic rationale. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102657-bring-back-warbucks/#findComment-1153691 Share on other sites More sharing options...
oCrapaCreeper Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 7 minutes ago, SinancoTheBest said: So do the newspapers read. Well if you're satisfied with it then fine, but I wouldn't believe that to be the only reason for a fracture of a second, especially after he, rather genuinely expressed his sorrow for removing something they put time, effort, care, -*cough*money- into.To me, it's clearly an executive decision they took after a, rather inconsiderate, cost-benefit assessment. There is always room for more basic characters, this is the company that didn't hesitate to add the character that half of everyone in these forums calls Wilson 2.0 to DST. The human creativity is boundless unless hindered by economic rationale. If you actually think he was removed purely because of not being "culturally appropriate" then please show me all the complaints that led up to that. Quote especially after he, rather genuinely expressed his sorrow for removing something they put time, effort, care, -*cough*money- into. They remove characters all the time. Not publicly but they do. Warbucks isn't special. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102657-bring-back-warbucks/#findComment-1153694 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinancoTheBest Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, oCrapaCreeper said: If you actually think he was removed purely because of not being "culturally appropriate" then please show me all the complaints that led up to that. They remove characters all the time. Not publicly but they do. Warbucks isn't special. I don't believe that was the reason either. Perhaps one of the reasons alongside "not inspired enough" guano but these must be the tip of the iceberg as executive decisions go. As I said I don't really know why he was removed and I hate their diplomatic opacity with their excuses, only the executive board would know the full reasons. Warbucks is special in the sense that he was the only character, fully developped and published to the public that was removed. Having spirites, animations, dialogue etc is one thing, having a fully publicized character is another. It's a radical decision to remove him and radical decisions warrant radical decisionmaking that perhaps even JoeW doesn't even fully understands and instead reasons as 'happens all the time' attitude as an attempt at solving a cognitive dissonance. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102657-bring-back-warbucks/#findComment-1153698 Share on other sites More sharing options...
oCrapaCreeper Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 47 minutes ago, SinancoTheBest said: I don't believe that was the reason either. Perhaps one of the reasons alongside "not inspired enough" guano but these must be the tip of the iceberg as executive decisions go. As I said I don't really know why he was removed and I hate their diplomatic opacity with their excuses, only the executive board would know the full reasons. Warbucks is special in the sense that he was the only character, fully developped and published to the public that was removed. Having spirites, animations, dialogue etc is one thing, having a fully publicized character is another. It's a radical decision to remove him and radical decisions warrant radical decisionmaking that perhaps even JoeW doesn't even fully understands and instead reasons as 'happens all the time' attitude as an attempt at solving a cognitive dissonance. Nothing is fully publicized in early access. It's in development. Not finished. Subject to change or be removed. All of that is advertised. The only difference with Warbucks compared to all the other scrapped characters is we got to witness what happens when a character doesn't make the cut. The other characters we never got to see because we never had the chance to see their development. That's it. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102657-bring-back-warbucks/#findComment-1153718 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JosePapp Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 They DID say that they were "starting from scratch" with him. It's just a break, not a farewell Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102657-bring-back-warbucks/#findComment-1153743 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrimbles Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 1 hour ago, JosePapp said: They DID say that they were "starting from scratch" with him. It's just a break, not a farewell No chance of him returning as a stereotypical English explorer though, because he was a colonialist. But Wolfgang, the dumb russian body builder, Woodlegs, the pirate (who were murdering rapists), and Wigfrid, who is culturally appropriating Nordic culture (who were all violent murdering rapists), are all fine to stay in the game. Unfortunate. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102657-bring-back-warbucks/#findComment-1153780 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thieverpedia Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 No character has ever been removed before. Refine the perks, but no one deserves that fate. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102657-bring-back-warbucks/#findComment-1153882 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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