Mechanical filter

[Oni Noob]

Can someone confirm if the mechanical filter still working in the Cosmic update?

[Lilalaunekuh]

Yes they do

[landromat]

Are tried to play without exploits? It's a fun game if you don't break it

[Lilalaunekuh]

I don´t use mechanical filters in my base, but the principle behind it (bridge prioritizing) is used everywhere^^

[DyingCrow]

mechanical filters are more trouble then theyre worth... anyone actually uses them except for very specific applications?

[Oni Noob]

29 minutes ago, landromat said:

Are tried to play without exploits? It's a fun game if you don't break it

I am a programmer, efficiency runs in my blood.

[Kabrute]

I run mine everywhere I need reliable filtration  I do mean everywhere.  Yes they take up a bit more space, however the 0 failure rate and 99.5% flow-rate potential for 0 power means I install them on my spoms. leading up to my oil refinery, and any where else I want dedicated filtration.  5g/s delay is nothing to a liquid system, think about that.  On gas a 1.5g minimum is my rule, again I run 5g to be safe but less does reliably work.

[abud]

1 hour ago, Kabrute said:

0 failure rate and 99.5% flow-rate potential for 0 power

I used multi filters, 0 failure rate with 100% flow rate for 10 power.

Central filters

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But I used a simplified form everywhere else, which allows packets to slip to central filters.

[Kabrute]

there are ways to make your filters fail abud, stress tested with a few others on the forum hence why I keep falling back on @PVD 's masterpiece.  While you may have experienced 0 failures, if you stop up the bypass outlet your valve filter can slip the wrong gas by(failure) if you cut power it doesn't work at all (failure)

[abud]

Is it? Probably I didn't stress test it enough. But yes, if we don't have power at all it doesn't work because of 10W requirement, without packets slipped stay in that circle.

1 hour ago, Kabrute said:

if you stop up the bypass outlet

Bypass outlet? I stress test it with full on all output. I don't know which one is the bypass outlet.

Edit: Basically I test it like this. Did I miss something?

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Multi Filters.sav

 

 

[Oozinator]

2 hours ago, landromat said:

Are tried to play without exploits? It's a fun game if you don't break it

Mechanical filter is an exploit?

[Lilalaunekuh]

9 minutes ago, abud said:

Is it? Probably I didn't stress test it enough. But yes, if we don't have power at all it doesn't work because of 10W requirement, without packets slipped stay in that circle.

But with some automation it´s easy to shut off packet flow before your batteries fully drain.

=> So with automation you can build 100% failsafe systems

[BlueLance]

12 minutes ago, Oozinator said:

Mechanical filter is an exploit?

Technically yes and no?

Yes, because you are using something for something that is was not intended for when there is a device that does it.

No, Because you are making use of something the way it was intended to work, i.e input priority over pipe priority.

I don't think the devs will fix it, if they did it would be by either making the valves require power, or by taking away priority and treating it like a regular split.

[Lilalaunekuh]

I like this discussion here, let´s hijack it:

7 minutes ago, BlueLance said:

I don't think the devs will fix it, if they did it would be by either making the valves require power, or by taking away priority and treating it like a regular split.

Let´s imagine a better world together:

- Should there be mechanical filter ?

No; why should such a setup work outside of ONI rules ?

- Is it a bad thing for the game that mechanical filter exist ?

No; it´s just a combination of fundamental principles of gas/liquid flow.

- So how can we "fix" this ( = "remove mechanical filter") without negativly impacting our gameplay ?

(If I call for more realism, solutions like adding some power consumption to valves are defying the purpose)

I don´t know, but maybe someone else got a good idea

 

 

PS: It´s just my opinion to dislike mechnical filter since we got a dedicated replacement, so feel free to share your thoughts.

 

[BlueLance]

Technically those two options are the only way.

I mean if you made it powered then it kinda defeats the point of a valve cuz in real life it isn't generally powered. But in real life if there is a split in a pipe half goes one way and half the other, well not half but you get what I mean, so for me a bridge shouldnt take priority.

Personally if they stay in the game I don't mind, I don't use them and they are not incredibly broken either.

[abud]

I'm not going as far as "dislike", I used mechanical filter sometimes, For example in remote places far away from any power line. But I avoid them and use pipe sensor if not too much trouble. They are specially made to detect pipe contents, why not use them.

[Lilalaunekuh]

I don´t  "dislike" mechanical filter for their gameplay implementation and/or advantages (hard to get them working properly and a good challenge gameplay-wise to make them failsafe, without much benefit compared to automation based filtering).

My concerns are the few major differences between real life and ONI physics:

- Different densities (Some Gas/liquids layers are counterintuitive)

- Differences in stored energy: petroleum should provide way more power than methane provided the same volume

- "Strange" packet like behaviour of gas/liquids inside pipes

 

[Alex_D]

I'm guilty of using mechanical filters.
And after downloading the CU files, just before starting a new map, the old base filters and overpressure appears to work fine (other than the metal refinery new overheat flag):

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[Oni Noob]

Am I doing something wrong. its not going to my vent

 

[Oozinator]

Just now, Oni Noob said:

Am I doing something wrong. its not going to my vent

 

Dont place vent direct onto object output. Sorry i was wrong, my eyes..

[Oni Noob]

Hmm not sure what am I doing wrong

 

[abud]

7 minutes ago, Oni Noob said:

its not going to my vent

Even with a closed valve? Sorry, I never tried this exploit so I don't know why that valve there.

Edit:

2 minutes ago, Oni Noob said:

Hmm not sure what am I doing wrong

 

Your valve waiting for duplicant to change setting. Notice that it is said, "requested".

 

[Kabrute]

raise toggle priority and "wait" but I would set it to 5 personally not .1 as I have seen .1 filters fail randomly in the past.

[abud]

Ah, it is part of an unfinished mechanical filter.

In ranch I, my mechanical filter like this
 

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Input top left, filtered output top right, others go to bottom

I suppose people can make a different form, it is same principle

[SackMaggie]

"Requested Flow Rate" <--- Hahaha

 

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3 hours ago, Oni Noob said:

Hmm not sure what am I doing wrong

 

 

 

And If you use 2 of them you will get FULL flow rate.

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