Mechanical filter

[avc15]

I don't think mechanical filtering is an exploit. It's clever understanding of intended game mechanics; it takes a lot more effort to set up than the alternative; mechanical filters have shortcomings.

[beowulf2010]

I feel it's a minor exploit in the fact that green outputs push liquid and gas without a pump.

But it's not severe enough for me to avoid using it as anyone that looks at one of my bases will see. 

I use mechanical filters, recirculation loops, and bridge priority shenanigans everywhere. 

[Argelle]

Can you debug this?

Something's wrong, but can't spot what.

Layout ? CO2 and nat gas arrive from top. Only CO2 should go down. Nat gas should (but ain't) go left to the gas generator.

Pump is at crossing, pipes orientation fine.

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Automation ? Nat gas detected fine, signal to pump ok.

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Pump activated, ... not pumping ? what gives ?!?

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Electrical wire sending watts ? Check.

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I'm starting to run out of idea... (restart ? done. No change).

Nat generator (not yet on electrical grid) is not sucking gas hence pump not pumping ?

 

CAUTION: DISCLAIMER I therby understand that this set up, called mecanical filter can be considerd as exploid or minor exploid by some people and/or country. Myself and my absence of organization are fully aware of this fact, the said "exploit" and do not wish harm to the reader or his family. by reading this fully complient disclamer, you therefore accept the european legislation on mecanical filter (law 231.6 to by pass on 2019, at best).

[Grimgaw]

11 minutes ago, Argelle said:

Something's wrong, but can't spot what.

Output of NGG is connected to output of shutoff valve aka green to green.

[Argelle]

omg.

Thanks, that was a simple mistake and I was looking for weird thing.

Much thanks again, @Grimgaw !!

Image #18 an happy working pump.

My next duplicant will be named Grimgaw in your honor. I'll pick up a tinkering trait for him.

[Megouski]

Not sure why people are calling this an exploit when its clearly using intended game mechanics? Could you all stop with that? Its not a "little" exploit either anymore than using a coal generator to produce power "exploits" coal. Its part of how they wanted priorities to work, please don't call people cheaters for being clever.

There are some great logic systems using gates and automation wire. Is that a "little" exploit too? Give me a break.

 

[Flydo]

On 07/07/2018 at 4:50 PM, Megouski said:

Not sure why people are calling this an exploit when its clearly using intended game mechanics? Could you all stop with that? Its not a "little" exploit either anymore than using a coal generator to produce power "exploits" coal. Its part of how they wanted priorities to work, please don't call people cheaters for being clever.

There are some great logic systems using gates and automation wire. Is that a "little" exploit too? Give me a break.

 

Not really call this an exploit but it's not the way i want to play this game, don't see why i will create a mechanical filter when i just can build a filter using a little amount of energy, most of my play i finish with more energy i could use and sometime need to burn energy for litterally nothing to prevent some of my not finished system stop.

 

But if someone have a method to compress mixed gas or liquid in pipe, i'm looking for it (i'm tired to see some of my filter use the same amount of energy for 1g tile/pipe of gas than 1 kg). But i will think about it when i got the time to play again

[Saturnus]

2 hours ago, Flydo said:

Not really call this an exploit but it's not the way i want to play this game, don't see why i will create a mechanical filter when i just can build a filter using a little amount of energy, most of my play i finish with more energy i could use and sometime need to burn energy for litterally nothing to prevent some of my not finished system stop.

Back before element sensors was introduced pipe filters was the only option. So mechanical filters was the lower power (no power) alternative. It took a bit of setting up to make sure the system was working but you saved that 120W. Now you can make 10W filters with element sensors that you can make completely fail safe by having an output block sensor (see post linked below) and use the automation output of a smart battery to safe guard against power failures. Still takes more setting up than regular 120W pipe filters but it's not terribly difficult.

2 hours ago, Flydo said:

But if someone have a method to compress mixed gas or liquid in pipe, i'm looking for it (i'm tired to see some of my filter use the same amount of energy for 1g tile/pipe of gas than 1 kg).

Here you go. A zero-exploit compact infinite packet stacker. The reverse direction bridges and the element sensor forms a blockage sensor which when triggered means there's a full packet in the pipe before the shut off valve. So it opens the shut off valve and lets that one full packet through.

https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/94767-pipe-source-priority/?tab=comments#comment-1077161

[Flydo]

Hmmmf thank but not the thing i really looking for too bad

[Saturnus]

4 hours ago, Flydo said:

Hmmmf thank but not the thing i really looking for too bad

Wait what? It does exactly what you said it should?

[Flydo]

4 hours ago, Saturnus said:

Wait what? It does exactly what you said it should?

Yeah i know but i need one to compress mixed gases in pipe before filter it, i explain my idea in a bad way sorry. But thank for the idea, i could use this one to made one for two different gas

(Or maybe work on a new oxygen maker system)

[Saturnus]

48 minutes ago, Flydo said:

Yeah i know but i need one to compress mixed gases in pipe before filter it, i explain my idea in a bad way sorry. But thank for the idea, i could use this one to made one for two different gas

(Or maybe work on a new oxygen maker system)

I use a standard oxygen maker that does most of the filtering by itself. This can supply up to 1kg/s O2 at less than 40C constantly, and have done so for about 400 cycles. Right now the average output is around 700-800g/s O2.

I usually build this as early as possible so besides the 300kg refined metal for the smart battery, 2 element sensors, and shut off valve, there's only the outer shell of abyssalite which can be considered exotic materials. Otherwise it's just sandstone and copper, even just uses regular wires as the maximum peak power in the completely self-powered system is 970W. The maximum peak temperature I've seen in the system was 71.2C so you don't even need gold amalgam.

Note that when you have 2 spaces between the electrolyzer and the oxygen pumps you will never see hydrogen on those pumps outputs so you only need to concentrate on filtering the top pumps mixed gas output.

 

[Flydo]

2 hours ago, Saturnus said:

I use a standard oxygen maker that does most of the filtering by itself. This can supply up to 1kg/s O2 at less than 40C constantly, and have done so for about 400 cycles. Right now the average output is around 700-800g/s O2.

I usually build this as early as possible so besides the 300kg refined metal for the smart battery, 2 element sensors, and shut off valve, there's only the outer shell of abyssalite which can be considered exotic materials. Otherwise it's just sandstone and copper, even just uses regular wires as the maximum peak power in the completely self-powered system is 970W. The maximum peak temperature I've seen in the system was 71.2C so you don't even need gold amalgam.

Note that when you have 2 spaces between the electrolyzer and the oxygen pumps you will never see hydrogen on those pumps outputs so you only need to concentrate on filtering the top pumps mixed gas output.

 

Nice system, thank for sharing i will try it.

 

Just a question, did your system stop sometimes? I use a oxygen maker with 2 pump, 2 electrolyser and 2 filter and hydrogen with the smart battery  (also fedd ATEN with hydrogen i produce) don't use all the hydrogen i produce  and it's a pain in my ass

[Saturnus]

Nope. Never stopped after the first 10 cycles where it settles the pressures. And it produces about 32g/s (averaged) excess hydrogen as well. Well, that's my estimate anyway. I run 2 AETNs of the excess and there's a bit left over still.

[beowulf2010]

12 minutes ago, Saturnus said:

Nope. Never stopped after the first 10 cycles where it settles the pressures. And it produces about 32g/s (averaged) excess hydrogen as well. Well, that's my estimate anyway. I run 2 AETNs of the excess and there's a bit left over still.

Do you mind uploading the automation and gas overlays? I think I see what you're doing with the second element sensor but I just can't figure out the gas vent or shutoff valve... 

[Saturnus]

19 minutes ago, beowulf2010 said:

Do you mind uploading the automation and gas overlays? I think I see what you're doing with the second element sensor but I just can't figure out the gas vent or shutoff valve... 

The gas vent was just to recycle excess hydrogen into the system in the beginning before it settles. The second element filter shuts of the top pump when the hydrogen buffer pipe is full. The shut off valve and first element filter is the gas filter.

[beowulf2010]

2 hours ago, Saturnus said:

The gas vent was just to recycle excess hydrogen into the system in the beginning before it settles. The second element filter shuts of the top pump when the hydrogen buffer pipe is full. The shut off valve and first element filter is the gas filter.

Ah, ok. I think I understand what you're doing. I'll have to play around with it tomorrow to check. You do things way different than I usually do so that's why I'm trying to figure out how this works so I can see where I can improve my stuff. Thanks!