TheGCat Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 3 minutes ago, Oozinator said: Looks so pretty. awwwwww Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/97812-how-is-the-performance-of-oni/page/2/#findComment-1106908 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cipupec2 Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 Just to say/repeat the obvious, the game is still in development and thus have related performance issues (specific bugs like jetpack lat, debug version etc), but otherwise in my experience it runs pretty much like any other simulation game on the market and if your game becomes unbearable crawl in mid/late its not ONI its your PC Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/97812-how-is-the-performance-of-oni/page/2/#findComment-1106913 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToiDiaeRaRIsuOy Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 41 minutes ago, DustFireSky said: That's the interesting fact. Linux is small, 10 times faster as Windows and have no "apps", "ad sense" and spying tools onboard. Open the Task manager of Windows 10 and u know what i mean. Useless crap running in the back. Windows calls it "User experience". Another word is spying u, collecting your data and selling your data and if they could, selling your mom. Great, how much is she worth?!? (For the record, that was a sarcastic joke) Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/97812-how-is-the-performance-of-oni/page/2/#findComment-1106925 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oozinator Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 19 minutes ago, Cipupec2 said: ... it runs pretty much like any other simulation game on the market and if your game becomes unbearable crawl in mid/late its not ONI its your PC Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/97812-how-is-the-performance-of-oni/page/2/#findComment-1106927 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGCat Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 3 minutes ago, Cipupec2 said: Just to say/repeat the obvious, the game is still in development and thus have related performance issues (specific bugs like jetpack lat, debug version etc), but otherwise in my experience it runs pretty much like any other simulation game on the market and if your game becomes unbearable crawl in mid/late its not ONI its your PC Interesting point of view,all other simulation games do a similar bad performance job, so that excuses the bad ONI performance or the little bit better performance.Early Access isn't a license to make bad performance games and also not an excuse. We are not talking about the preview versions. We mean the normal versions without the debugging enabled in the background. And how can u know, how we play a game ? If u only build little colonies, u don't get to the point to reach an unplayable state. Also a beast PC rig slow down in the midgame, critical is the play style. Ask yourself how many Early Access titles runs smooth after the release, if they run bad in the Early Access time ? Mostly no one. Do u think, if they release the game in the next time, the game performance increase by 300% through magic hand. Don't think so. My personal opinion. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/97812-how-is-the-performance-of-oni/page/2/#findComment-1106929 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToiDiaeRaRIsuOy Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 Can we actually say "ONI is on the market"? as far as I know it's still in (public) development. Improvement is bound to happen. I do hope that improvement is atleast around 20 FPS late game. I feel pretty crawly at 18 FPS on lowest speed. Btw, ONI being a single core game and unable to fully use your PC's full resources, that's still on the game and not the PC. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/97812-how-is-the-performance-of-oni/page/2/#findComment-1106930 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cairath Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 Sometimes I love that people think they know all about game development just because they play games. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/97812-how-is-the-performance-of-oni/page/2/#findComment-1106932 Share on other sites More sharing options...
babba Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 All of this makes me think. Maybe I should make lets plays as Babba The Hut from my Jacuzzi whilst eating the XXL pizza. So more of the realistic debug letsplays at abnormal cpu core speed Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/97812-how-is-the-performance-of-oni/page/2/#findComment-1106935 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToiDiaeRaRIsuOy Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 1 minute ago, Cairath said: Sometimes I love that people think they know all about game development just because they play games. I don't know anything about that. Well, I do know multi-thread isn't easy to design a game around. But yeah, when old dual cores work better then current gen cores for a game that is technically still to be released, I do feel that's an issue. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/97812-how-is-the-performance-of-oni/page/2/#findComment-1106937 Share on other sites More sharing options...
babba Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 There is no old dual core running the game at top notch speed. Repro: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/97812-how-is-the-performance-of-oni/page/2/#findComment-1106941 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cipupec2 Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 1 hour ago, DustFireSky said: Interesting point of view,all other simulation games do a similar bad performance job, so that excuses the bad ONI performance or the little bit better performance. Fact is that simulation games are CPU (and RAM) intensive just like shooters are GPU intensive; that open ended simulation games which give you the freedom to go big become laggy in the late game. Because the more stuff the game has to keep track of, the slower the game will run; And finally that there are limits to how much you can optimize things. I have played many simulation games like this (e.g. DF, factorio, prison architect, rimworld), grandstrategy games and other game moded for complexity and they all share the same common theme with late game and HW. While it's possible that all these game devs are stupid but lets assume that they aren't and using the latest wisdom, so baring inventing new algorithms the only solution to performance can be either dumb down (i.e. reducing the amount of stuff it need to track off improving performance for all), using performance mod for people who need it, add player side complexity (like in DF zones), players using common sense and avoid performance hogs on large builds, and or understand that if you want to go huge better have the HW to back it. 1 hour ago, DustFireSky said: Early Access isn't a license to make bad performance games and also not an excuse. We are not talking about the preview versions. We mean the normal versions without the debugging enabled in the background. You don't seem to understand what early access is.. and making an assertion about performance. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/97812-how-is-the-performance-of-oni/page/2/#findComment-1106958 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cairath Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 1 hour ago, DustFireSky said: Early Access isn't a license to make bad performance games and also not an excuse. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/97812-how-is-the-performance-of-oni/page/2/#findComment-1106965 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGCat Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 I have just told u my experience with the Early access games in the last years. My experience is how i said the bad results. If the game has a problem in the early access state, it will be mostly not solved at or till the release. U said it by yourself, all these games u named have the same problems. So, how can that be ? I am not an developer, but as a customer is the only thing that counts, the result. It's not my business why the lategame is so bad, we pay for people, that give us a great game and a game that runs smooth, yes, also in the lategame state. Factorio for example made a great step forwards about the performance! If i compare Factorio with oxygen not included, i would say, Factorio is the more difficult game to make. And u must build really really big in Factorio to get down the FPS. Just a few % of the players can do that or are willing to do that. I know what Early Access is, but the most developer think they can abuse the state and excuse all what they do with this. And also the customers are saying all is fine, because it is Early Access. They scream louder at the release and don't understand why the game is released, but not finished. Do u know such situations ? What is the excuse if the game leave the Early Access and it is still bad yet and not finished ? U can always find excuses for everything. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/97812-how-is-the-performance-of-oni/page/2/#findComment-1106968 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToiDiaeRaRIsuOy Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 It has to be said, if we look at the periode between the game going into early acces and now, the game has changed massively. The biggest changes happened from the cosmic upgrade forward, of which we still have seen very little performance optimization. So I do assume there is still a lot left in the bag. So perhaps we shouldn't draw any conclusions based on previous early access games. I can't imagine the average early access game changing that much before release, meaning there's still a lot left on the table to optmize. It's even part of the roadmap, with the next upgrades focussing on optimization. I also don't need 60 FPS endgame. If I can get 30-40FPS on lowest speed, I would be happy already. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/97812-how-is-the-performance-of-oni/page/2/#findComment-1106970 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cairath Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 3 minutes ago, DustFireSky said: If i compare Factorio with oxygen not included, i would say, Factorio is the more difficult game to make. Great assumption having just admitted you're not a developer/got no clue about that. What's next? Comparing building planes to baking pizzas? Because they're totally freaking different. Just stop. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/97812-how-is-the-performance-of-oni/page/2/#findComment-1106974 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGCat Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 Have u a problem with different opinions ? Seems so. If a man take a discussion in a ridiculous direction like u do (Your comparisons), i know what comes. Discuss with respect or just stop! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/97812-how-is-the-performance-of-oni/page/2/#findComment-1106979 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToiDiaeRaRIsuOy Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 12 minutes ago, DustFireSky said: Have u a problem with different opinions ? Seems so. If a man take a discussion in a ridiculous direction like u do (Your comparisons), i know what comes. Discuss with respect or just stop! Easy, mate. Cairath is just asking to moderate your voice. You are quite agressive against the game. I think the developers do deserve a get out of jail free card when they specifically label it as early access. Honestly, we did get access to the game in a VERY early stage. It has grown massively, and yes that can quickly hamper FPS at that grow rate, but that also means a lot of FPS improvement can still be on the table. For the record, it will be in the best interests for the developers that they make big strides in this department coming update. The game is unhandable when the debug tools are running (please don't make this another spy story, please don't). I had to test last time around with those turned off, so I do hope they can improve FPS to a decent enoug level so I can run the debug tools again if the new content focusses on that late stage of the game. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/97812-how-is-the-performance-of-oni/page/2/#findComment-1106980 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGCat Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 I had only written down, whats personally wrong with the game. I observed the game a really long time and believe it or not, the performance get worse and worse. I told u my concerns about it. That's all! And if anyone cannot handle my point of view, sorry, i cannot change my mind about it. So, forgive me, if my writing is a little bit aggressive for u. Wasn't my purpose. It is a little bit the frustration and the disappointment of the situation and i have lost the hope, that it will be change. That's all. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/97812-how-is-the-performance-of-oni/page/2/#findComment-1106985 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToiDiaeRaRIsuOy Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 7 minutes ago, DustFireSky said: I had only written down, whats personally wrong with the game. I observed the game a really long time and believe it or not, the performance get worse and worse. I told u my concerns about it. That's all! And if anyone cannot handle my point of view, sorry, i cannot change my mind about it. So, forgive me, if my writing is a little bit aggressive for u. Wasn't my purpose. It is a little bit the frustration and the disappointment of the situation and i have lost the hope, that is will be change. That's all. Well guess what: I too have observed this game grow from the moment it went into early access. I too have seen the performance dips. Guess what: at one point the game was roughly in the same position regarding as it is now regarding the late game FPS. The developers then made optimizations. Boom, an increase of at least 15 FPS! That has been detoriated again, but just look what has been introduced in the last few updates. It's not been optimized yet. Reserve your judgement for when they made their first attempts at optimization. (I do like the match between the grumpy cats ) Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/97812-how-is-the-performance-of-oni/page/2/#findComment-1106988 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGCat Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 The other grumpy cat is too grumpy. No match possible. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/97812-how-is-the-performance-of-oni/page/2/#findComment-1106993 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cairath Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 Aggressive? It's not me who's going on about how the game is terrible, accusing them of having deals with CPU manufacturers to sell "$2000 CPUs" and "abusing the early access status"... Read what you wrote first Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/97812-how-is-the-performance-of-oni/page/2/#findComment-1106995 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToiDiaeRaRIsuOy Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 Just now, Cairath said: Aggressive? It's not me who's going on about how the game is terrible, accusing them of having deals with CPU manufacturers to sell "$2000 CPUs" and "abusing the early access status"... Read what you wrote first He was obviously jokingly referring to my previoust post. Let's not turn playfulness into... I'm going to repeat myself when I say agressiveness, am I? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/97812-how-is-the-performance-of-oni/page/2/#findComment-1106996 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cairath Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 Fiiine. He's changed to grumpy. Now it does sound playful. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/97812-how-is-the-performance-of-oni/page/2/#findComment-1106997 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToiDiaeRaRIsuOy Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 1 minute ago, Cairath said: Fiiine. He's changed to grumpy. Now it does sound playful. Good, listen to King Grumpy Cat . Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/97812-how-is-the-performance-of-oni/page/2/#findComment-1107001 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cairath Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 1 minute ago, ToiDiaeRaRIsuOy said: Good, listen to King Grumpy Cat . You impostor you!!! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/97812-how-is-the-performance-of-oni/page/2/#findComment-1107003 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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