Sleet Wheet

[Fischer_L]

9 hours ago, Neotuck said:

now you see why I laugh when people tell me my builds use too much water or generate too much heat 

Also 40 dupes exhale 80g/s CO2.  Run that though a skimmer and you get 266.6g/s PW

Add that for a total of 3.38kg/s PW!!!

now you are down to needing 6.62Kg/s PW from other sources! 

You'd still need a slush geyser... Since Klei introduced them, I didnt' saw ONE! I dont' specificly hunt map seed for them.

[Neotuck]

6 hours ago, Neotuck said:

Personally I like to use a pair of water sieves to produce dirt.  But then again I have a pair of slush geysers on my map so that option might not be for everyone

 

13 minutes ago, Fischer_L said:

You'd still need a slush geyser...

[Technoincubus]

Establish a cooling mechanism.

Make it failproof.

Deliver cooled polluted water to the farm.

Deliver cooled down dirt to the farm.

At some point gathering wild ones is just easier.

[ToiDiaeRaRIsuOy]

So 2 issues:

-Dirt is much more of an issue right now, ever since they changed the whole dirt to fertilizer mechanic. That really needs to get changed. Because of this, sleet wheat grain growed in planter tiles are much more resource intensive than other food plants.

-There is still the issue of heat. The plants cannot be heated beyond 5°C and water can pump a lot of heat into it. A lot of heat is removed through sieving it (although there are people who find that exploity and wish to refrain from that, myself included), but it still needs further cooling after that. Again, enough options to cool it down, none looking really worth the while.

The wildgrown sleet wheat plants give enough food if you harvest all of the cold biomes. Quite labour intensive, but I think the best way by far to get sleet wheat.

 

[Technoincubus]

one power fail can lead to pumping\cooling failure and then entire farm is heated up.

[clickrush]

2 minutes ago, Technoincubus said:

one power fail can lead to pumping\cooling failure and then entire farm is heated up.

When you're at the point of building a sleet wheat farm you won't get power failures anymore (if at all).

[ToiDiaeRaRIsuOy]

9 minutes ago, clickrush said:

When you're at the point of building a sleet wheat farm you won't get power failures anymore (if at all).

Oh, that can certainly still happen . I think I had power shortages few times actually on my current base, where I did not buffer enough petroleum, resulting my petroleum generators shutting down. Wouldn't have been a problem, except I also ran out of natural gas for backup and my coal generators, for backup backup, bugged out and did not get refilled. My dupes couldn't use the oil refinery of course due the power outages. I had to kickstart the system again by building and using 10 hamster wheels.

Of course that cascades quickly out of hand. I luckily always had decent food reserves, but each time the power went out, my cooling for my gristle berry farm also went down and quickly overheated.

I think it is not wise to believe everybody always plays the perfect game. Mistakes will be made!

[Technoincubus]

20 minutes ago, clickrush said:

When you're at the point of building a sleet wheat farm you won't get power failures anymore (if at all).

Some pack of polluted water finds its way to SPOM and then you have to shut it down to clear that or something suddenly drains all your batteries or other things with chain reactions can happen

[Neotuck]

6 hours ago, Technoincubus said:

Deliver cooled polluted water to the farm.

I'm assuming this is a typo 

Sleet wheat needs water, not PW

1 hour ago, Technoincubus said:

Some pack of polluted water finds its way to SPOM and then you have to shut it down to clear that or something suddenly drains all your batteries or other things with chain reactions can happen

where do you get your source water from? I usually tap a cool steam vent

If there's a risk of PW contamination I would have built a filter

1 hour ago, ToiDiaeRaRIsuOy said:

I think it is not wise to believe everybody always plays the perfect game. Mistakes will be made!

I believe @clickrush assumption is sleet wheat farming is pretty advanced so most players have established some solid "build and forget" power plants before attempting to build temperature controlled greenhouses for sleet wheat

It's true mistakes will be made, we learn from them 

[ToiDiaeRaRIsuOy]

3 minutes ago, Neotuck said:

I'm assuming this is a typo

where do you get your source water from? I usually tap a cool steam vent

If there's a risk of PW contamination I would have built a filter

I believe @clickrush assumption is sleet wheat farming is pretty advanced so most players have established some solid "build and forget" power plants before attempting to build temperature controlled greenhouses for sleet wheat

It's true mistakes will be made, we learn from them 

It was more a tangent really. Granted, power outages aren't your first concern when dealing with sleet wheat farms, though can be nasty when it happens (as it can to other environment controlled farms for that matter).

[crypticorb]

3 hours ago, Technoincubus said:

one power fail can lead to pumping\cooling failure and then entire farm is heated up.

That only happens if you are using power dependent cooling systems.

A single SPOM can provide enough oxygen for 8+ dupes, and enough hydrogen to power itself and an AETN continuously, which also requires zero power. With a valve limited water source, you can easily keep the farm cool, too cold if you aren't careful.

[greggbert]

Just like power sources, the trick is to rely on them as a supplement to your barbecue.

I usually have one stone hatch farm, 2 slickster farms and a Glossy Drekko farm.  I collect all the eggs and kill the babies the second they are born for barbecue.  But that only keeps about 3-4 dupes fed with the good stuff.  

So I have a small sleet wheat farm cooled by wheezworts with about 15 plants and 10 degree water in insulated pipes in a insulated cold room with the dirt stored inside it.  Between the barbecue and then I can comfortably feed about 8-10 dupes with barbecue and/or pepper bread.

Once my base is built out and I know how many wheezworts and AETN's I have on my map, the best way to cool a wheezwort farm is cold hydrogen gas in radiant pipes, that you STOP recirculating when your farm gets too cold.  Put a temperature sensor in the room and stop circulating cold hydrogen through the room when you hit your goal temp.  I've found that using this method only ONE wheezwort can cool a sleet wheat farm of 15 or so plants, provided the incoming dirt isn't too hot, but I usually end up using two because it suks to add whezworts to a high pressure hydrogen system if you don't have enough.

[Glassyfo]

I'm guessing that they changed manual watering to transfer heat now?

[greggbert]

What is manual watering?

[Sasza22]

28 minutes ago, greggbert said:

What is manual watering?

You can plant sleet wheat on a regular farm plot so dupes will deliver water in bottles.

[greggbert]

LOL wow, never even tried it!

 

[Neotuck]

20 minutes ago, greggbert said:

LOL wow, never even tried it!

 

You'll be delivering both water and dirt to the sleet wheat

So that's double dupe time compared to farming mealwood and bristle berries in regular farm plots

Still not a bad idea and if you keep a few wheeze warts nearby your "low tech" sleet wheat farm should last a long time

[chemie]

On 10/22/2018 at 5:30 PM, Sasza22 said:

You can plant sleet wheat on a regular farm plot so dupes will deliver water in bottles.

The agriculture tiles transfer heat but planters do not.  So if you dont mind dup labor, just use planter boxes and use 85c water without issue.  Saves power and cooling mess.

[Glassyfo]

Now we just need to cool the dirt.

[Neotuck]

1 minute ago, bleeter6 said:

Now we just need to cool the dirt.

Cooling solids is easy

A conayor rail though metal tiles will cool dirt quickly.

Can maintain it with a few wheezies

[chemie]

9 minutes ago, bleeter6 said:

Now we just need to cool the dirt.

Nope.  Planters can take 500c dirt without effect too

[haralmpos]

sleet wheat needs to go back to needing fertilizer 8*( for the love of all that is right switch it BACK 

[Neotuck]

4 minutes ago, haralmpos said:

sleet wheat needs to go back to needing fertilizer 8*( for the love of all that is right switch it BACK 

Back then fertilizer didn't require dirt to make so it was easier to farm

Going back to fertilizer now would make things worse