tzionut Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 Quote It's not a big deal because it won't prevent the pacu from laying all it's eggs. But it's possible to control the quantity of algae going into the feeder in order for it to eat just enough to lay his last egg just before dying For me it is. I want to set up the auto fish feeder and forget about it. I will check only the conveyor receptacle for new eggs for the egg cracker. The problem is if the old pacu eat before the new one does, the new pacu will not lay the 4-th egg, because it will consume more calories (in the previous post I wright 5 instead of 4), so i will have a full automatic farm without a fish. I must thinking for one sort of automation that store the 4-th egg for a number a cycle, then deliver it to the hatch area. Post edit: Plan A: I am tempted to make the upper sweep arm operate once for 3 cycle. In this way the sweep arm will operate in the 21 cycle of the life of the old pacu. P.P.E. This is the new automation design of the upper fish tank. If you set all the 5 filter to 200s, and the 6-th one at 194s right after the pacu egg hatch, and the buffer (for me is 6 seconds) for the upper arm, the sweep arm will operate once for 3 cycle, and the egg will stay in the conveyor receptacle until 21 pacu life cycle For the second arm sweeper ( for me is filter 182s, and buffer is 18s) it have enough time to take one algae and put it to the feeder, or one egg and put it to the smart storage or conveyor receptacle. Or the meat or polluted dirt in the bottom receptacle. For the second problem (the egg shell on the pressure plate) i will improve the design of the farm whit another arm sweeper and one conveyor receptacle wired whit one clock sensor and the door, for operate once per cycle. PPPE (to many edit) The last problem. Even if is inactive the arm sweeper deliver the egg to the highest priority (conveyor receptacle) so i reintroduce the famous door wired whit the conveyor to prevent this from happening. And whit this i think the farm is perfect Enjoy it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariilyn Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 With all this in mind, I've tried to come up with the most compact version possible. This new version needs only two sweepers and doesn't need any dupe or player intervention, even for the egg shells on the pressure plate. How it works : > First sweeper collects the eggs, then the meat & polluted dirt, and finally refill the fish feeder. Buffer is set at 5s-6s and filter at 180-200s. If the buffer gate is higher than this, it will try to refill the feeder many times, and sometimes drop algae on the floor, which I don't really want. With these settings (5s/200s), the sweeper should activate ~72-75 times during the pacu fish's entire lifecycle. Four of these times will be to collect eggs, two times to collect polluted dirt, and one time to collect meat, meaning ~65+ kg of algae will be loaded into the feeder. It should be enough for the fish to lay his fourth egg around cycle 25 of his life. If not, reduce the filter's time at your convenience. 180s is perfectly fine. > Second sweeper loads the eggs into the smart storage (set at 12 kg). When the first 3 eggs are loaded inside, it opens the leftmost mechanized airlock to allow access to the conveyor loader. The smart storage's signal will also activate the memory toggle and put the sweeper on a loop for auto-dropping (it will have time to load the egg shells from the previous hatching 12 cycles earlier, before going on the loop). The memory toggle is reset once the fourth egg has been dropped on the pressure plate. That's it. ^-^ Edit : Realised that one of the filter gates was superfluous and that the pacu needs 16 tiles of water to not get the expecting & overcrowded debuff when there is an egg, so I made a few changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tzionut Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 Its ok more compact but your problems are: 1 I don't think your upper sweep arm will work, until you put the second signal in. To do that is better to put a not gate wired to the pressure plate and wired it to the second input of the and gate. 2 the second door (the access to the loader) it will open after 30s. Is better to be opened right after the smart storage is full for the sweep arm have time to load the first 3 eggs. Set up the buffer time for you to have enough time to load the 3 eggs 3 the egg shell will not be evacuated because of the vertical door, a possible solution is to load also the shell intro the smart storage and evacuate them whit the eggs. 4 how you will open the horizontal door without a not gate wired from the smart storage? I hope i helped you P.S. After i finish setting my 2 step cooling aqua setup i will recreate your design and try to fix it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nxf7 Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 Here's mine. Every 5 cycles it produces 3 eggs at the cost of 5kg algae. 1 egg goes back into rotation, other 2 goes to the 1x1 tile of water to forever be unfed and provide steady meat and egg shell. No need for more water, probably contributes to lag if they can move around. The water pumping could probably be improved. 4 pumps for water isn't ideal, but it's finished in 70 seconds. If it's a concern you could make a door elevator or have a temporary water storage above the feeding floor, ready to drop replacement water. Can't really be bothered making my own post, I'm mostly a Discord dweller (I'm Mozzy on that). Perhaps this gives you some inspiration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tzionut Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 Quote 1 egg goes back into rotation, other 2 goes to the 1x1 tile of water to forever be unfed and provide steady meat and egg shell. My friend. My farm is human, i fed the pacu until they dye. Yours is more efficient from the perspective of algae consume but more cruel as you treat your pacus. If i was them i will be in strike until you provide better condition. One curiosity What you do whit the old pacu after 5 cycles (the 10 cycle one)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nxf7 Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 9 minutes ago, tzionut said: My friend. My farm is human, i fed the pacu until they dye. Yours is more efficient from the perspective of algae consume but more cruel as you treat your pacus. If i was them i will be in strike until you provide better condition. One curiosity What you do whit the old pacu after 5 cycles (the 10 cycle one)? No argument here about the living conditions. I don't do anything with the old Pacu. They get ejected into the bottom cell, where the pumps are. They will swim there until dying of starvation at approx age 19-20. If some timing issue happened there's a chance it's only 40+% of the way into laying it's 3rd egg, but it will get it out before it dies, I haven't observed any failing to lay a 3rd egg, I don't think it's possible even with the worst luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mullematsch Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 2 hours ago, Nxf7 said: No argument here about the living conditions. I don't do anything with the old Pacu. They get ejected into the bottom cell, where the pumps are. They will swim there until dying of starvation at approx age 19-20. If some timing issue happened there's a chance it's only 40+% of the way into laying it's 3rd egg, but it will get it out before it dies, I haven't observed any failing to lay a 3rd egg, I don't think it's possible even with the worst luck. I like your design. Could i get a save file or the automation overlay/settings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigjw Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 Thanks for the fish-o-matic. It works great, it's saved me a lot of time incubating all them hundreds of fish eggs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tzionut Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 As i promise i rework the automatic circuit and now it work. 1 the exit of the toggle circuit is wired direct to the and circuit 2 the pressure plate is set above 3 kg 3 the horizontal door is wired whit a not gate to the pressure plate for preventing the sweep arm to pick up the egg again The only problem in this design is as my original build. The old pacu and the new one will stay for 2 or 3 cycle in the same aquarium and the old will eat before of the new one decreasing the calories for the new one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariilyn Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 11 hours ago, tzionut said: Its ok more compact but your problems are: 1 - It does work because of the not gate. I spawned eggs in sandbox to test it quickly. 2 - Both mechanized doors do open immediately once the smart storage reach 12 kg, and the vertical door giving access to the loader closes after 30s because of the 30s buffer gate. 3 - The egg shell is evacuated during these 30s, along with the 3 eggs. 4 - The horizontal door is maintained open by the memory toggle. It closes immediately once the egg is dropped on the pressure plate, when the memory toggle is reset. The 25s filter gate's role is to delay the moment when the sweeper arm gets on the auto-dropping loop, to give it time to transfer the eggs and the egg shell beforehand. (Come to think of it, I don't remember why I haven't assigned it to 30s like the buffer gate). Since it was removed in your rework, I would bet there is some issue with the sweeper arm being unable to evacuate the eggs, and instead dropping them on the pressure plate. 6 hours ago, Nxf7 said: Here's mine. [...] Perhaps this gives you some inspiration. I'm aware that as little as 5kg is enough to get three eggs very fast, but it does seems to necessitate a much more complicated setup (to move the pacus around after a couple of cycles, etc). Although I've got an idea that I might try to develop. It goes like this : - The pacu lays 3 eggs - His water tank is then emptied with a pump while a new egg is prepared - When the water is completely evacuated, the pacu is dropped in a pool of boiling water/oil below - Immediately afterward, the tank is filled up again for the next fish Should be doable in a reasonable amount of time with only 1 pump per fish. So yeah it was kind of inspirational, thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tzionut Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 Quote Since it was removed in your rework, I would bet there is some issue with the sweeper arm being unable to evacuate the eggs, and instead dropping them on the pressure plate. Yes you are right. The problem was that it can't open the horizontal door after the cycle is ended. I play only in real time. A need more cycle to test it if its ok. Quote The horizontal door is maintained open by the memory toggle. It closes immediately once the egg is dropped on the pressure plate, when the memory toggle is reset. Yes butt after the pacu hatc the door will not be opened...so is better to wired that door to the pressure plate. How you propose to deal whit the old pacu? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariilyn Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 20 minutes ago, tzionut said: How you propose to deal whit the old pacu? Ah, well in my previous iteration the last egg was always laid around cycle 24-25 and I never saw two fish in the same tank. The fourth egg is laid that early probably because the pacu eats more algae than necessary. This is why I would suggest to decrease the buffer gate time, in order for the sweeper arm to deliver algae no more than 3 times per cycle to the fish feeder. But even if the automation circuit stays like it is, the only downside is an extra cost in algae. Since the fish are eating more algae then needed, new fish should not have a problem to lay four eggs anyway. 37 minutes ago, tzionut said: Yes butt after the pacu hatc the door will not be opened...so is better to wired that door to the pressure plate. So the horizontal door opens immediately after the fish hatched instead of a dozen of cycles later, yes, that's a nice improvement. For testing in sandbox, I use a separate map but it's possible to activate sandbox mode to make a quick test (spawning eggs to see if the automation works as intended) and then quit without saving so the sandbox mode doesn't stay activated in the survival map. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nxf7 Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 19 hours ago, Mullematsch said: I like your design. Could i get a save file or the automation overlay/settings? Thanks, and sure: The 11 second filter will be overkill by a few seconds but on x3 speed there's a chance the Fry (baby) is unaffected by gravity for very a long time. Up to you really. All smart storage containers are limited to 1kg, a 4kg egg will still be moved into it and activate automation, but no more than that. Priority on stuff should be self explanatory, needs to incease by 1, starting with the bottom ones I marked. The regular storage marked "p2" is also 1kg limited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tzionut Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 This is the setup of mariilyn (the human kind) for farming pacu (the compact version) whit the modification we discussed some message up. The setup of Nxf7 in my perspective is overkill. It can be done more efficient and more compact. Next game i will play I will try something whit only 2 rooms 1 for lifting the pacu whit water, and let the gravitation flow it back, and the second for storing the eggs and hatched pacu. P.E. For me, for the bottom sweep arm the times are (13s for the buffer and 187 for the filter), if is less the arm will not pick the algae or will drop it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nxf7 Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 6 hours ago, tzionut said: The setup of Nxf7 in my perspective is overkill. It can be done more efficient and more compact. I'll be ecstatic if anyone can make an improved farm that's smaller but my requirements when I designed it was "every 5 cycles: 2 eggs to do what you want with, at the cost of 5kg algae". So I'm happy with its current size relative to the egg output and cost. Currently I don't see any numbers on your design. I have no idea what it produces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tzionut Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Quote I'll be ecstatic if anyone can make an improved farm that's smaller but my requirements when I designed it was "every 5 cycles: 2 eggs to do what you want with, at the cost of 5kg algae". So I'm happy with its current size relative to the egg output and cost. Challenge accepted I present to you your version of cruel pacu farm whit 2 eggs every 10 cycles improved whit the automatic circuit inspired by mariilyn. First you will need to construct in the mesh tile area a storage, then send an egg, then drop it then deconstruct it then reconstruct the mesh tile Right after start pumping the bottom water. the egg will hatch after the middle basin is filled. The upper circuit is and gate, not, filter buffer sweep arm, the second entries is wired to the presure plate ( the temps in the sandbox are 6 sec buffer and 10 filter) it may be more bigger in the survival mode The pressure plate is wired whit the upper horizontal door direct and whit a not gate to the bottom horizontal door. The smart storage is set to 8 kg before you new pacu lays the first 3 eggs and after at 10 kg (it will evacuate the eggs and the shells) When the smart storage is full it will send a signal to the upper vertical door wired whit a 30s buffer and to the bottom one wired to a 20s buffer The middle door is wired whit a not, 3 filter and a buffer circuit (filter = 200s, filter = 200s, filter =196s and buffer = 4 s) so the door will be opened once for cycle. Same the setting times it may be more bigger in the survival mode (less 3 filter, bigger buffer) The arm will take the eggs and send to the conveyor receiver, and will take the algae to the fish feeder. The bottom arm will take the polluted dirt and the meat. For a 5 cycle production it need to make another horizontal door between the pneumatic door and the pressure plate for storing the fry pacu for 5 cycles The circuit for that door it can be 15 filters and a buffer. Post edit: the version whit storing the pacu fry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tzionut Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 Quote the pacu needs 16 tiles of water to not get the expecting & overcrowded debuff when there is an egg, so I made a few changes. In my last version the pacu need 8 tile whit water for not having overcrowded debuff. My arm sweeper doesn't have the range to all the tiles so i put a mesh tiles. The pacu have all the water for not having the overcrowded debuff , but it doesn't have all the tiles to swim. I think this is a bug. P.E. Today a rework the 5 cycle 2 eggs, 5 kg algae cruel farm in sandbox mode (it's way to easy to design then in survival mode) The command to the pacu fry door is a memory toggle wired whit 2 filters, first 10- 20s for let the pacu fry and water fall, and the second 10 - 20s for closing the door and then open the new pacu fri door. It can be improved by commanding the pump by the opening of the first door Enjoy it. Radical Committee.sav Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tzionut Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 And the smallest human pacu farm (75kg algae/4 eggs (3 to cook + 1 to populate)/25 cycle). It uses what i consider a bug (see my message above). If you aren't comfortable whit this use instead the mariilyn version above, a little bigger, two sweep arms, 3 conveyor loaders, but same principle. The door have not/ filter/ buffer (it open 3 times per cycle) for loading algae to the fish feeder. The door in front of the upper conveyor loader (load the eggs) is wired whit a buffer (200s) activated by the smart storage (12kg) The middle conveyor loader load polluted dirt, meat and egg shell. The arm sweeper is wired using mariilyn circuit, and it goes in drop mode when is activated by the smart storage buffer 200S, and filter 195s (i want to be sure that the sweeper will load everything, it can be set to lower values) The pressure plate it open/close the door and whit a buffer (30 - 50s) and a not gate reset after the egg is drooped on the pressure plate, the toggle circuit is reset, then the sweep arm goes in continuous mode and take the polluted dirt, egg shell and the meat from the dead pacu. It can be started by loading a pacu egg in the smart storage, evacuate it, let it hatch, and forget about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigjw Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 I'm a little puzzled about the 2nd pacu pool (original design on right) for depositing all the spare pacu's for starvation and egg shells. I can see why we would want to collect the meat and egg shells, but why are we picking up the eggs and dropping them on the door to incubate? Surely just leaving them in the pool to hatch on their own is far easier. Do the eggs perhaps mature quicker on dry land or do they get eaten by the other pacu's/tropical pacu's perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tzionut Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 Quote I'm a little puzzled about the 2nd pacu pool Just under the pressure plate is a pneumatic door. The reason for the second pond is for the pacu fry. The cycle is pacu hatch, leave the pressure plate on the closed pneumatic door, first filter will open the second for for the mature pacu to drop whit the water, the door will be closed , ( seeing now i think the desighn need a buffer before the second filter for mantaining active the signal) and the second filter will open the pneumatic door for the pacu fry to go in the second room. The pump will start to move the water from bottom pond to the pacu fry room. I do this because you loose a cycle for move all the water ( a cycle when the pacu is gloom and consume calories, so less eggs). This is the reason why in the bigger build Nxf7 have several pumps. When the second pacu egg hatch, the pacu matured fall in the 3-rd room where it stay for 5 cycle to lay eggs, 1-st goes to the pressure plate, the last 2 goes to the smart storage to be shipped whit the conveyor loader. The smart storage send the signal to the last door for the pacu to fall in the pump reservoir, where he stay for 10 cycle before he die. After i finis whit my regolith smelter (convert it to igneous rock for the stone hatch), i will build it in survival mode the and make a video to demonstrate how it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigjw Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 Thanks for getting back to me, although, my question was regarding the pond I have detailed below. I meant these eggs. why are we pulling them out of the water to incubate them on the door? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tzionut Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 Hy this version i don't have. I don't know why. In my opinion the door isn't necessaire. It's the same if it hatch under water or on the plate, i think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Djoums Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 To prevent the fish from having the expecting debuff, otherwise some of them will stop reproducing and their population will dwinddle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewreckedangle Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 this seems... extreme.. just to get fish to breed correctly. i mean.. truly, this cannot be the actual way that we are expected to do this? like, jeez, even in skyrim there's a fish hatchery that basically a barrel with a net in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tzionut Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 Quote To prevent the fish from having the expecting debuff, otherwise some of them will stop reproducing and their population will dwinddle. This is not correct. The only pacu who is breading is in the left pond. The right is for dropping the eggs and take the meat and egg shells whit the arm sweeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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