Koningkrush Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 I don't know if this is already known or not, but gas and liquid filters can now be created in a 20W version by using two Gas Shutoffs, a NOT Gate, and a Gas/Liquid Pipe Element Sensor. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/90230-gasliquid-filters-replacement/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
FullMetalArthur Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 I couldn't make use of the element sensor. But i see you made a filter in a creative way. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/90230-gasliquid-filters-replacement/#findComment-1030326 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lifegrow Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 8 minutes ago, Koningkrush said: I don't know if this is already known or not, but gas and liquid filters can now be created in a 20W version by using two Gas Shutoffs, a NOT Gate, and a Gas/Liquid Pipe Element Sensor. Very nice - how accurate is it? Like does it ever let a packet slip ? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/90230-gasliquid-filters-replacement/#findComment-1030328 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koningkrush Posted April 26, 2018 Author Share Posted April 26, 2018 8 minutes ago, Lifegrow said: Very nice - how accurate is it? Like does it ever let a packet slip ? I haven't noticed it ever let anything slip. It seems just as efficient if not more-so than the normal filter. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/90230-gasliquid-filters-replacement/#findComment-1030329 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KittenIsAGeek Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 It doesn't even need to be that complicated. You only need one gas shutoff and a gas type sensor. And it works like a charm. The advantage of an air filter is you can get them going rather early in the game. The advantage of this method is power efficiency. I've never had a packet slip. The sensor turns on the valve for carbon dioxide. Otherwise, the packet continues along the pipe. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/90230-gasliquid-filters-replacement/#findComment-1030487 Share on other sites More sharing options...
llunak Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 33 minutes ago, KittenIsAGeek said: I've never had a packet slip. You will as soon as the output with valve gets blocked for whatever reason. I'm not sure if OP's design is susceptible to the same problem or not. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/90230-gasliquid-filters-replacement/#findComment-1030493 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kabrute Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 the ops design is specifically for anyone who experiences backups in their system, it will never fail afaict Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/90230-gasliquid-filters-replacement/#findComment-1030560 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KittenIsAGeek Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 Ah. Well, my other ends won't ever back up, but that's a good thing to think about: "What happens when the gas can't move forward." Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/90230-gasliquid-filters-replacement/#findComment-1030566 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albryant Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 23 hours ago, Koningkrush said: I don't know if this is already known or not, but gas and liquid filters can now be created in a 20W version by using two Gas Shutoffs, a NOT Gate, and a Gas/Liquid Pipe Element Sensor. Could you explain the NOT gate here? I think I kinda understand what is going on, but the logic gate stuff still kinda confuses me a bit. I feel like enrolling in at least a basic programming class would do me some good. xD Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/90230-gasliquid-filters-replacement/#findComment-1030588 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kabrute Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 so its basically either one way or the other, the not gate ensures that its always one and not the other, it would be me space convenient to lay it behind the ladder to the left of the setup and just wire it direct but this shows it more obviously Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/90230-gasliquid-filters-replacement/#findComment-1030595 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koningkrush Posted April 28, 2018 Author Share Posted April 28, 2018 3 hours ago, Albryant said: Could you explain the NOT gate here? I think I kinda understand what is going on, but the logic gate stuff still kinda confuses me a bit. I feel like enrolling in at least a basic programming class would do me some good. xD This, in particular, is for natural gas. If the gas in the pipe is natural gas, it will go to the right. If the gas is NOT natural gas, then it will go upwards. Should work for liquid pipes as well. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/90230-gasliquid-filters-replacement/#findComment-1030627 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albryant Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 3 hours ago, Koningkrush said: This, in particular, is for natural gas. If the gas in the pipe is natural gas, it will go to the right. If the gas is NOT natural gas, then it will go upwards. Should work for liquid pipes as well. Thank you for taking the time to explain that. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/90230-gasliquid-filters-replacement/#findComment-1030686 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kroning Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 I have almost the same filter to move CO2 from my base to wild mashrooms. And I must say, it's not accurate and sometime fails - some oxygen moved to pipes too Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/90230-gasliquid-filters-replacement/#findComment-1030722 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhailRaptor Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 @Kroning regarding your second screenshot, what's up with that T junction? Are you sure the O2 is slipping past the element sensor shut off and not incoming from the other pipe? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/90230-gasliquid-filters-replacement/#findComment-1030731 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kroning Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 4 minutes ago, PhailRaptor said: @Kroning regarding your second screenshot, what's up with that T junction? Are you sure the O2 is slipping past the element sensor shut off and not incoming from the other pipe? I am sure. Nothing wrong with T-junction. Gas flows from bottim. Right side was build first, so now it's already overpressured. Upper side new, so need more gas and pipe is empty. When I came home today, I will make some tests with 2 gases. Maybe we have some bug here, or it's intended. (or anyone else can do it ofcourse) Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/90230-gasliquid-filters-replacement/#findComment-1030734 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhailRaptor Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, Kroning said: Gas flows from bottom. Right side was build first, so now it's already overpressured. I think that was mentioned above as being relevant. You used the more compact design from KittenIsAGeek, that is able to slip packets when the pipe backs up. Koningkrush's design doesn't have that weakness, at the cost of requiring more space. to be built. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/90230-gasliquid-filters-replacement/#findComment-1030737 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kroning Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, PhailRaptor said: I think that was mentioned above as being relevant. You used the more compact design from KittenIsAGeek, that is able to slip packets when the pipe backs up. Koningkrush's design doesn't have that weakness, at the cost of requiring more space. to be built. Nope. Never used compact design. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/90230-gasliquid-filters-replacement/#findComment-1030738 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lutzkhie Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 dupe conversation: Banhi: *holding a gas filter* hey whats this? Nikola: oh that, its a gas filter Banhi: why dont we use them anymore Nikola: uhhh we can make our own filter at lower power Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/90230-gasliquid-filters-replacement/#findComment-1030741 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flydo Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 It's already know, Kasuha made one with liquid when the mk2 beta just come out, but thank to remind it Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/90230-gasliquid-filters-replacement/#findComment-1030767 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamLogan Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 I use a similar set up (same as KittenIsAGeek) but only with one Sensor and one Gaz shutoff. The problem is when you have a small electricity fail the wrong gaz goes in the wrong direction as the "filter" is off. I'll try your version. Edit : I tried it, it's great thanks. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/90230-gasliquid-filters-replacement/#findComment-1030774 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sergdrakmor Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 Place usual filter on unfilered ouput after sensor with same settings as sensor. It will not drain power with right packets, but only with wrong packets. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/90230-gasliquid-filters-replacement/#findComment-1030800 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kroning Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 Yes. The problem is - power shut off (dupes not always maintain 100% coal generator ). When you have no power and then restart it, it will slip some packets anyway. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/90230-gasliquid-filters-replacement/#findComment-1030835 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KittenIsAGeek Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 I haven't had a power failure since smart batteries, but I see how that could be an issue. I suppose I could put a mechanical filter on the filtered gas side with a feedback to catch stray gasses for something that is extremely critical. Hmm. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/90230-gasliquid-filters-replacement/#findComment-1030926 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dude42 Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 I cant get it working i don't understand why ?? ! I set the filter on hydrogen : if it's hydrogen, it must come to the left. Otherwise, with the NOR gate, it will go to the right I want to use this method to save power even if in this save i've no power shortage issue.(batteries almost always full) Please somebody help Here's my setting You can see the hydrogene coming to the right, or left , it is totally random ...... The automation view : I hope it is a silly mistake not a bug. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/90230-gasliquid-filters-replacement/#findComment-1036331 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dude42 Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 ok i figured it out. the input of the gaz shut off need to be the intersection for the design to work. I hope it will help others 12 hours ago, MidnightSteam said: There are drawbacks to this design. It fails if the pipes are clogged. It fails if power runs out. It must also be designed specifically this way: Here's a save file with my oxygen system: OxygenSystem.sav You can simulate power outage by turning the power switch off. And remove the gas vents to simulate clogged pipes. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/90230-gasliquid-filters-replacement/#findComment-1036494 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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