Early game heat gen items location.

[MythN7]

Is it better to put things like battery's and transformers and other things that gen sig heat above or below your main area you want to maintain 15-25C as long as possible?

[Lutzkhie]

you can, but with wheezes, build you gens and batts, add wheeze and let it cool for some cycle before turning them on, also add airlock, the CO2 produced by coal generators will cool down and eventually cool all other stuff inside, probably 3 wheezes to work and must be an insulated tile or abyssalite normal tile

[MythN7]

2 minutes ago, Lutzkhie said:

you can, but with wheezes, build you gens and batts, add wheeze and let it cool for some cycle before turning them on, also add airlock, the CO2 produced by coal generators will cool down and eventually cool all other stuff inside, probably 3 wheezes to work and must be an insulated tile or abyssalite normal tile

ya i do that, but i like to save those weezles early game for putting beside my electro, like to save on alge asap, and also beside my plastic and refinery.  But i mean more for early game as in pre 50 cycles. where your using the mucher and small batterys and treadmills quite heavily before you have access to any form of airlock.

[Lutzkhie]

batts will always produce heat so you need alternative, you can use cooled oil radiator, that will work but requires a lot of work
you can put them outside, but will still heat up slowly 

[Coolthulhu]

Batteries, power generators and oxygen generators are all big sources of heat. I always try to keep those away from my farms.

The problem is, coal gen produces CO2 which is hot (heat goes up) but heavy (CO2 falls). If you want to keep base cool, you can't just put it up high or down low, you need to separate it horizontally.

[MythN7]

Just now, Coolthulhu said:

Batteries, power generators and oxygen generators are all big sources of heat. I always try to keep those away from my farms.

The problem is, coal gen produces CO2 which is hot (heat goes up) but heavy (CO2 falls). If you want to keep base cool, you can't just put it up high or down low, you need to separate it horizontally.

ya im pretty good at the game, can easily get up to 400+ cycles.

I just am lacking some of the finer knowledge like if heat building areas are best below or above, and same concept with your PO areas, that have slimelung for where your keeping your puffs, if thats best high or low.

I usually set up so im not doing anything heavy in power gen and slime or farming till I am able to build gas and water filters with mech airlocks, with smart battery and atmo.

But im trying to now in games dig out paths to areas near by kinda away from other areas to put my very 1st battery's and what nots so right off the bat they are located in the area that will become there to be developed station room.

Kinda bored of doing the tight nubby build early on till my research is done then doing a major reno to create my sections hehe.

Figure its best to start learning how to setup section areas pre having all the tools to negate the issues, cause if i can learn how to use the natural laws of the game better, I wont have to compensate with tasks as heavily.

[Lutzkhie]

with the addition of smart battery, cooling coal gens, batts are easier now 

[MythN7]

1 minute ago, Lutzkhie said:

with the addition of smart battery, cooling coal gens, batts are easier now 

ya, i shoot for that ASAP.

i find it more beneficial for the savings on coal consumption than the heat it builds.

As I am now, my very 1st meal wood farm usually gets to 30+ temps around cycle 150.

Would like to extend that so I can still use the initial farm area for bristle after.

[Lutzkhie]

you need to find where the heat is coming from, only then you can address heat build up properly

[MythN7]

1 minute ago, Lutzkhie said:

you need to find where the heat is coming from, only then you can address heat build up properly

ya, but i was thinking in real life heat naturally wants to rise right?

So if the game is like that, building it high, would be best.

Kinda the thought that made me want to ask this question about the game.

[Lutzkhie]

i dont know if thats how it work ingame, you can always experiment in debug mode

[Ciderblock]

32 minutes ago, MythN7 said:

ya, but i was thinking in real life heat naturally wants to rise right?

So if the game is like that, building it high, would be best.

Kinda the thought that made me want to ask this question about the game.

Heat does not rise in ONI. Even if it did, the density stratification effect is so much more dramatic in ONI than it is in IRL that the heat stratification would be negligible.

[Yoma_Nosme]

Well let's leave everything else aside and just ask ourselves "where to put hot stuff?" up or down?

Up.

Pro: heat rises. So heat will travel up.

Con: your oxygen tends to go up as well. Battery and heat generators will heat up oxygen

Down.

Pro: co2 is at the bottom. So you will first heat the co2 and you can use a skimmer to get rid of it

Con. Heat rises up...

Best solution imo:

Don't put heat generators inside the green yellowish area in thermal overlay. I prefer to install generators and batteries at the bottom but this is not mandatory at the top will work just as well. But Use abysalite to encase the green area of your base use pneumatic doors to minimise convection and keep it free from heat generators. 

Edit. I put batteries in the beginning left or right till I haven't dug up enough but never inside the green "core" area. And always behind abysalite or insulated tiles

[chemie]

Mine go to the side, just outside the base, behind insulated tiles.  I do this as soon as I can.

[Cypher-7]

Heat does not travel up in ONI. 

But if you put a coal generator at the top and the the hot co2 fall down that will transfer heat from the top to the bottom of your base.

[TheScaryOne]

2 hours ago, Ciderblock said:

Heat does not rise in ONI.

 

16 minutes ago, Cypher-7 said:

Heat does not travel up in ONI. 

Heat does travel up in ONI. There is no convection, but there is upward conduction with heat and downward conduction with cold.

 

[Priitm]

First battery - put where you want, there is enought 20C water around to mitigate early heat just fine.

Goal generators and other heavy heat things i put to some other biome next to main area as i go there anyway for iron and algae. You have more than enouh time before yo need to cool that area or handle CO2. 

By turn 150 most of my food comes from bristles and its easy to keep needed temperature with then. Just cool down your water to 20C if needed with some ice sculptures and water cools down the farm area.

[TrustyFish]

As long as you're prioritizing insulating the main area of your base fairly early (something that is unfortunately unclear as a goal to early players, or how to accomplish it, but that's a separate topic) then I don't feel like you need to worry about it too much. once you get an abyssalite wall, specially to block off the hot jungles from leaking heat though the stone into your base, put your heat producers outside the insulated area you want to keep cool, for living and farming. And a little bit later you can move them into an ice biome, or add wheezeworts once you find some so that your machinery doesn't cook itself over time.

[Ciderblock]

9 hours ago, TheScaryOne said:

 

Heat does travel up in ONI. There is no convection, but there is upward conduction with heat and downward conduction with cold.

 

You're right, I was thinking of "hot gas does not rise above cold gas in ONI", but apparently based on those experiments the heat conduction model is not simply isotropic (which is really quite strange if there is no convection).

[TrustyFish]

That does seem really weird. I guess its trying to emulate convection without fully simulating it to help the game run more smoothly.