Just a curious question about anyone who watches DST twitch streams

[djbubbles]

To the people who watches DST, do you guys tend to turn away (not watch AT ALL) the DST twitch streamers that have their game heavily modded or am I the only one?

Lately, I've been watching a lot of DST twitch streams and I have been enjoying only watching certain streamers (clwnbaby, esaiXD to name a few...) their gamestyle is very organic and very enjoyable to watch for some reason. 

When they're not online streaming DST, I just avoid all other PC folks streaming DST, specially the ones with heavily modded game (I just can't stand these people... I can see in the preview stream that they have like 36 inventory slots, a huge non-krampus backpack, and they're usually not a original DST character but some modded anime character and they have this huge chest that looks like an underground cellar, lol) I just can't watch it, I don't find it fun at all.

I'm a console DST player, I'm glad the console version doesn't allow modded things, it does seem to take out the fun in the game when you have so much advantage (imo).

Anyway, back to the question I was wondering if the any other folks who watches DST twitch streams is picky like me, it's been bugging me for a while 

[CaptainChaotica]

Well, as someone who DOES use mods, but who would rather cut off her own hands than use the type you described...all I can say is #notallmodders.

But seriously, there are mods and then there are MODS.  Stupid huge cheaty inventories and overpowered characters are, unfortunately, the exact thing that give EVERYone who has the "modded" tag on their server a bad reputation, and makes people not even click to check them out, the second they even see that--or even filter those out in their search to begin with. 

I get it. I used to be like that too.  Then I discovered that a mod existed to put Willow back the way she SHOULD be, and a purist died.  : P  But things like Pickle It! and Animal Variety are not on the same level as One-Punch Man, 100-slot inventories that let you use a backpack, armor AND an amulet at the same time, and getting gems out of every random rock.  Heck, some mods even make things MORE difficult.

...having ranted like this, I kind of have to admit now that i'm not a twitch streamer so this doesn't apply to me at all heh.

...Notorious

[thistownneedsguns]

yea i also turn off the stream once i see they are using cheap mods.

i dont care about cosmetic mods .. but being able to wear armor and backpack at the same time, or playing some op anime characters is not my cup of tea.

 

i also dont like watching console players in general, i prefer pc streamers.

[Rellimarual]

I watch a few DST streamers. They all used to be anti-mod but most have incorporated a select few, like geometric placement and that one that tell you how many days are left in the season. A few have really gotten into cosmetic mods, but none of them use the easy-mode mods you describe. When I do look around for new streamers, any non-DST character is an instant dealbreaker. I won’t watch players who use the mini map mod or any item that reduces the challenge more than that. It might be more fun to some players to make the game less challenging, but it is certainly never going to be more fun to watch

[Sinister_Fang]

6 hours ago, Rellimarual said:

I won’t watch players who use the mini map mod

Why? It's just a convenience thing. It's not like it's giving you information that's normally hidden by the game. *cough temperature cough cough*

[CaptainChaotica]

Yeah...there's the mini-map, and then there's Global Positioning, which can tell you where the other players are _at all times_.  This is something the game only PARTIALLY lets you do if you make a compass and have both explored the same area; so getting it for the whole map for free at the beginning is definitely still a bit cheaty.

And Combined Status...ooof, I never use that one and don't want to.  I randomise my seasons for a REASON, dammit!  I'm always having other players who use Combined Status/Season Clock randomly spoiling things for me:  "Oooh, it's gonna be a long winter..." or "Did you know you only have THREE seasons?!"  Dude, I even specially downloaded a mod that makes it so the seasons are _actually_ random, as in different every year (made by our own Electroely, in fact), to make the experience more of an unpredictable crazy magic wilderness.  DO NOT TELL ME STUFF.  I have birch trees for that.  (Birch trees as a season-change signifier aren't PERFECT, however...as you find out to your chagrin the first time you realise that the leaves are green in both spring AND SUMMER (when they're not on fire).  Whoops.)

All the above is basically to say that I find mods that just...TELL you everything to be kinda annoying too.  : P

...Notorious

[landromat]

10 hours ago, Rellimarual said:

I watch a few DST streamers. They all used to be anti-mod but most have incorporated a select few, like geometric placement and that one that tell you how many days are left in the season. A few have really gotten into cosmetic mods, but none of them use the easy-mode mods you describe. When I do look around for new streamers, any non-DST character is an instant dealbreaker. I won’t watch players who use the mini map mod or any item that reduces the challenge more than that. It might be more fun to some players to make the game less challenging, but it is certainly never going to be more fun to watch

yeeah, watching streamer who spams M to watch his map is much better

[Maslak]

On 27.01.2018 at 8:48 AM, djbubbles said:

they're usually not a original DST character but some modded anime character and they have this huge chest

Anime is all about huge chests. According to my friends, of course.

[Rellimarual]

7 hours ago, Sinister_Fang said:

Why? It's just a convenience thing. It's not like it's giving you information that's normally hidden by the game. *cough temperature cough cough*

 I don’t object to it on principle in regular gameplay, but it’s a quick way of eyeballing how modded the game is on Twitch. Streamers who use it almost always use a lot of other mods. It also takes a lot of the entertainment value away by making the game less challenging. Really good players don’t need to check the map that often anyway.

[Sinister_Fang]

6 hours ago, CaptainChaotica said:

Yeah...there's the mini-map, and then there's Global Positioning, which can tell you where the other players are _at all times_.  This is something the game only PARTIALLY lets you do if you make a compass and have both explored the same area; so getting it for the whole map for free at the beginning is definitely still a bit cheaty.

And Combined Status...ooof, I never use that one and don't want to.  I randomise my seasons for a REASON, dammit!  I'm always having other players who use Combined Status/Season Clock randomly spoiling things for me:  "Oooh, it's gonna be a long winter..." or "Did you know you only have THREE seasons?!"  Dude, I even specially downloaded a mod that makes it so the seasons are _actually_ random, as in different every year (made by our own Electroely, in fact), to make the experience more of an unpredictable crazy magic wilderness.  DO NOT TELL ME STUFF.  I have birch trees for that.  (Birch trees as a season-change signifier aren't PERFECT, however...as you find out to your chagrin the first time you realise that the leaves are green in both spring AND SUMMER (when they're not on fire).  Whoops.)

All the above is basically to say that I find mods that just...TELL you everything to be kinda annoying too.  : P

...Notorious

Well you can always just turn the season clock off. I find it handy to see your exact hunger, health and sanity values at a glance instead of having to put my cursor over it to see them. For the longest time that was actually the reason I never used it myself. Although I eventually just bit the bullet and enabled it myself due to everyone else already having this advantage...

4 hours ago, Rellimarual said:

It also takes a lot of the entertainment value away by making the game less challenging.

How exactly does the minimap mod make things less challenging? That's what I really don't understand. I could turn it off and it would have almost no impact on how I play the game. The only difference being that I would be quickly flipping in and out of my map while I walk around.

[Mencken]

I try to use as few mods as possible, personal stats, enemy stats, and minimap is about it.   While minimap is a great feature I sometimes wonder if it takes away from the game as I stare at it more when moving.    

 

I watch the videos on youtube by Stumpt, they are pretty entertaining.

 

[CaptainChaotica]

Stumpt! They just started up a Season 3 of DST, which they previously said they would NEVER play again, and I am so happy...!    They use the minimap, but...well, if you've seen how their games go sometimes, you can't really blame 'em for using a _little_ help...

But yeah it's not the actual Combined Status mod that's the problem--it's the people that use it for all the statuses and then tell me stuff I wanted to figure out myself.  Heh.

...Notorious

[Nullum]

On 1/28/2018 at 3:56 AM, Maslak said:

Anime is all about huge chests. According to my friends, of course.

Here's a huge chest.

[Maslak]

Nice!

I also really like this huge chest.

[Rellimarual]

21 hours ago, Sinister_Fang said:

Well you can always just turn the season clock off. I find it handy to see your exact hunger, health and sanity values at a glance instead of having to put my cursor over it to see them. For the longest time that was actually the reason I never used it myself. Although I eventually just bit the bullet and enabled it myself due to everyone else already having this advantage...

How exactly does the minimap mod make things less challenging? That's what I really don't understand. I could turn it off and it would have almost no impact on how I play the game. The only difference being that I would be quickly flipping in and out of my map while I walk around.

Because staying oriented is one of the skills of the game. Especially in a crisis, such as being pursued by enemies like shadow monkeys or hounds, when you can’t safely switch back and forth, not being able to check the map adds to the challenge. You have to remember where you need to go. This isn’t relevant in DS, where the game pauses when you check the map, but in DST it is. I mostly avoid streams using that mod because it’s a giveaway that they’re using other mods, but it does make the game easier at times.

This isn’t a deciding factor for me in watch Twitch streams, but because I mostly watch them on my tablet, the minimap mod is too small, so the streamer switching to the map makes the streamer’s map easier to see. And there has never been a time when I thought that watching someone switch back and forth between the map and the game somehow made the game more tedious to watch. I play without that mod, so it’s the closest to how I play myself.

[Szczuku]

It depends. Of course anyone that uses custom characters shouldn't be taken as a good dst player, at least in my opinion. Little mods such as "Always on status", "Geometric Placement", even minimap or show health should be respected as they don't affect the game too much. Big mods that give you 90 slots or ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) huge chest ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) shouldn't be used by any streamer as players that don't use them will feel that they're better and because of that they don't need to watch that streamer/youtuber.

[Dekay]

On 1/29/2018 at 9:33 AM, Rellimarual said:

Because staying oriented is one of the skills of the game. Especially in a crisis, such as being pursued by enemies like shadow monkeys or hounds, when you can’t safely switch back and forth, not being able to check the map adds to the challenge. You have to remember where you need to go. This isn’t relevant in DS, where the game pauses when you check the map, but in DST it is. I mostly avoid streams using that mod because it’s a giveaway that they’re using other mods, but it does make the game easier at times.

This isn’t a deciding factor for me in watch Twitch streams, but because I mostly watch them on my tablet, the minimap mod is too small, so the streamer switching to the map makes the streamer’s map easier to see. And there has never been a time when I thought that watching someone switch back and forth between the map and the game somehow made the game more tedious to watch. I play without that mod, so it’s the closest to how I play myself.

I’m constantly checking the map in DST when I’m in the ruins being chased by terrorbeaks and Shadow Splumonkeys. Why? Because I need to make sure I don’t run into a dead end and opening the map doesn’t prevent you from moving so it’s free info to me. Only reason not to check the map is if you have mini map enabled or you’ve played that world gen so much that you know it all four ways from Sunday.

[Rellimarual]

1 hour ago, Dekay said:

I’m constantly checking the map in DST when I’m in the ruins being chased by terrorbeaks and Shadow Splumonkeys. Why? Because I need to make sure I don’t run into a dead end and opening the map doesn’t prevent you from moving so it’s free info to me. Only reason not to check the map is if you have mini map enabled or you’ve played that world gen so much that you know it all four ways from Sunday.

Switching back and forth safely is a skill at such times, just like kiting.

[torauma]

Honestly, I despise all people that use mini map, it's like you can just use a mod that fills out your map and have a unlimited sights, whats the point on using any of the large light sources to see what's coming at you when you have a mod that does it for you.

[CarlZalph]

The point of games is to have fun and entertain.

 

What other people and I consider fun is most likely different.

Some people like the ease of being Godly among peasants with over powered mods, while others want to make the game intensely difficult for the sake of being hard.

 

I would assume whatever the specific person finds fun will tend to watch streamers who also follow suit; birds of a feather flock together.

 

Though, I'm in the camp of:  "Why watch someone play a game when I have access to it right here to play it?"

So I don't watch streamers who play games that I have access to.

[Sinister_Fang]

6 hours ago, Gigibyte said:

Honestly, I despise all people that use mini map, it's like you can just use a mod that fills out your map and have a unlimited sights, whats the point on using any of the large light sources to see what's coming at you when you have a mod that does it for you.

Click on the ground to move. Press M. Press Esc. Click on the ground to move. Press M. Press Esc. Click on the ground to move. Press M. Press Esc. Click on the ground to move. Press M. Press Esc. Click on the ground to move. Press M. Press Esc. Click on the ground to move. Press M. Press Esc.

You don't need the minimap mod. All that information is already available in the vanilla game. The mod just makes it more accessible.

[Maslak]

8 hours ago, CarlZalph said:

Though, I'm in the camp of:  "Why watch someone play a game when I have access to it right here to play it?"

So I don't watch streamers who play games that I have access to.

Same, I don't watch any streams though. I find watching streams or let's plays of someone else playing boring. My internet sucking balls and lagging streams is other story.

[djbubbles]

Thanks for the comments guys, I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who feels this way when picking a DST stream to watch. I usually watch to learn from others.. everyone in this community is so creative, it's nice to see their creativity sparkle in the base, fighting a boss, etc... always something new to learn from others

[Conejoo]

Some of you guys speak as if modding your game to be more fun for YOU is illegal. That's sad, makes you seem like an elitist and only splits the community :/

[Szczuku]

Well there's definitelly deffrence between a simple mod like geometrick placement and a mod that let's you carry 90 twigs in a single stack and also have additional 10 inventory space