Automatic water sieve & de-germinator

[Parusoid]

So i build a system that sieves polluted water, heat it to kill al the germs, then dumps it into the main clear water tank using mechanized doors.
My first attempt is semi-automatic wchich means you need to open the doors manually.
It is in my base so its not that much visually clear and understandable. Actual schematics are on the next images
 

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Then i wanted to make it fully automatic (see pictures below) but first let me explain how it works.
System includes: Water Sieve, Liquid Teptidizer, Mechanized Airlock, Not Gate, Buffer Gate, Hydro Sensor (please ignore Atmo Sensor and Power Switch on the image)

Whole system can be powered with no more than 960W power.

1. Water Sieve on the left starts to filter polluted water and outputs it into 2x8 tiles tank with Liquid Teptidizer
2. Tank is gathering water (approximately two cycles) until it is almost full of clear water but with germs.
3. Hydro Sensor is set to 'above 500 kg' and is triggered once the water reaches set volume.
4. Triggered Hydro Sensor do two things: deactivates Water Sieve and activates Liquid Teptidizer.
5. Now comes the 'semi automated' part. I have an eye for the germs level of the collected water (approximately 6 000 kg)
6. When i see all germs have been killed (due to high temperature) i use Atmo Sensor as 'manual' switch to open doors and dump the clear, germless water into the main tank below. (Atmo Sensor is set to 'below 0' which makes it deactivated - because there is always at least some gas in that place - once i set it to 'above 0' it activates and opens the door. Same effect can be achieved using dupe and ordering them to open/close door, i do not recommend this because they can get burnt by hot water)
7. Once all the water fell down to main tank i close the door.
8. Meanwhile the Hydro Sensor was deactivated due to water being dumped. Normally it would immediately activate Water Sieve, and possibly drop germs into main tank. To avoid that there is Buffer Gate installed.
9. Once the buffer gate stops counting the Water Sieve is activated and whole proces starts again.

 

Here is my attempt of fully automating it. But i need your help with coming up of a way to close the door automatically once it has been opened.

 

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General View:

 

 

Power view: Airlock And Teptidizer have separate power line so I am able to put Power Shutoff on the Teptidizer only

 

 

Automation view:

 

As you can see on the images Atmo Sensor has been replaced with Thermo Sensor, Power Shutoff 3xBuffer Gates and 1xNot Gate

The first four steps are the same as in previous example:

5. Thermo Sensor is set to 'below 76 C' (germs die 100%/cycle at 75 C)

6. Once water is heated to above 76 C, Thermo Sensor deactivates Power Switch cutting off power from Teptidizer

7. Thermo Sensor at the same time sends signal to buffer gates. Each of them is set to 200s. Since 100% of germs die at 75 C per cycle, we can assume that after being minimum 600 seconds in 75 C there will be 0 germs. After 600 seconds signal is sent to Not Gate wchich opens the door. And here is problem beacuse i dont know how to close the door back and start the procces again.

[Neotix]

If you want to open that doors only for few seconds you can use this after NOT gate

Left filer set at 0.1s to avoid tick of positive signal after gate deactivate. Right filter you can set like you want. It determine how long doors will stay open.

[bzgzd]

I would probably delay that power switch a bit. If you turn off tepidizer at 76C and then wait 600 seconds it might get to 75.9C during that wait time and termo sensor would go on again and so on...

And for door closing it seems like it might probably work as it is.
(When you dump germ free water down, termo sensor will have no water around it and air should be bellow 76 so it would close the door, maybe too fast).

But you can use AND gate to open door when temperature is above 76 for 600+ seconds AND hydro sensor is active. (adding buffer after AND to keep door open for at least few seconds)
Then there would be no way to have water filter on and door open because it would be controlled by same hydro sensor.

 

[Parusoid]

3 hours ago, bzgzd said:

no water around it and air should be bellow 76

In my tests the air was as much warm as the water , i think teptidizer have a broad range of heating

 

3 hours ago, bzgzd said:

no way to have water filter on and door open because it would be controlled by same hydro senso

nice idea

[Saturnus]

What I don't understand is why you'd sterilize the clean water after the sieve and not the polluted water before the sieve. A water sieve is a rock steady 40C water supply. There are a few instances where a fixed temperature reference point is extremely useful. And that being said, you should know that you can actually passively remove germs without heating or cooling the water just by exploiting that germs seek to settle in the lower left corner in a water tank.

[UristMcKerman]

8 hours ago, Saturnus said:

What I don't understand is why you'd sterilize the clean water after the sieve and not the polluted water before the sieve.

You know, 6 specific heat instead of 4.2, quite a big difference

[watermelen671]

I apologize...but all I saw was Germinator.

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Germinator: A German terminator. 

 

[Saturnus]

Why do you actually want to disinfect water in the place? What is the benefit?

Polluted water comes from generally 3 sources; showers, sinks, and lavatories. None of these transfer germs from the water to the dupes, the germs only transfers the opposite direction, so what is the point of disinfecting the water? Just let it loop with the water sieve and skim the surplus polluted water made by the dupes.

Only the surplus part potentially has any purpose being disinfected but you could also just use it to produce natural gas in fertilizer synths or sublimate into polluted oxygen. Food poisoning isn't air borne so disappears on it's own when sublimated. 

[Parusoid]

16 hours ago, Saturnus said:

why you'd sterilize the clean water after the sieve and not the polluted water before the sieve.

there is less germs in sieved water hence it takes less time to kill all the germs in high temperature.

2 hours ago, Saturnus said:

Why do you actually want to disinfect water in the place? What is the benefit?

So it has no germs, they need clear water to make food and not get sick
 

2 hours ago, Saturnus said:

Polluted water comes from generally 3 sources; showers, sinks, and lavatories. None of these transfer germs from the water to the dupes, the germs only transfers the opposite direction, so what is the point of disinfecting the water? Just let it loop with the water sieve and skim the surplus polluted water made by the dupes.

Only the surplus part potentially has any purpose being disinfected but you could also just use it to produce natural gas in fertilizer synths or sublimate into polluted oxygen. Food poisoning isn't air borne so disappears on it's own when sublimated. 

can you elaborate, im intrigued

[sadovsf]

Basically only time you need water without germs is for food creation

[Parusoid]

7 minutes ago, sadovsf said:

Basically only time you need water without germs is for food creation

Yes, thats why i need clear wotah

[Saturnus]

53 minutes ago, Parusoid said:

can you elaborate, im intrigued

I thought it was pretty clear. You only ever have to fill the polluted water loop once. After that you do not have to worry about it ever again.

Just don't use recycled water to make food from. It's a massive waste of power.

[Parusoid]

1 minute ago, Saturnus said:

Just don't use recycled water to make food from

I dont have any other clear water source

2 minutes ago, Saturnus said:

It's a massive waste of power.

power is no issue at this point

[Saturnus]

Just now, Parusoid said:

I dont have any other clear water source

Then don't make food that requires water

[Parusoid]

1 minute ago, Saturnus said:

Then don't make food that requires water

Other foods require more effort to get so i rather ignore your advice this time

[Saturnus]

4 minutes ago, Parusoid said:

Other foods require more effort to get

Meallice doesn't require water to make, and there is nothing in the game that requires less effort than that.

[Parusoid]

1 minute ago, Saturnus said:

Meallice doesn't require water to make, and there is nothing in the game that requires less effort than that.

Im not a monster, won't feed mu dupes with some trash -3 quality mealice.

They only tolerate -2 gourmet Liceloaf which require 50kg of water

[SamLogan]

Nice set up but how do you cool down the water?

[Oozinator]

Just now, Parusoid said:

They only tolerate -2 gourmet Liceloaf

?

[Saturnus]

4 minutes ago, Parusoid said:

They only tolerate -2 gourmet Liceloaf which require 50kg of water

Fine, as long as we can agree that is entirely your choice and that there is absolutely no real in game difference between the two.

But you could just have said that from the start when I asked why you'd want to clean the water in the first place. If you had answered that you choose to ignore the game options available and prefer to play a certain style then I wouldn't have bothered trying to give advice.

[Parusoid]

11 minutes ago, SamLogan said:

Nice set up but how do you cool down the water?

I dont really cool the water. it cools itself once it is dropped to main tank which contains cooler water. So far i didnt have need to cool it, maybe in future there will be need.

8 minutes ago, Saturnus said:

I wouldn't have bothered trying to give advice.

My help request wasnt about dietary choices

[TheScaryOne]

You're adding 76* water to your 22* tank? You're playing a dangerous heat game....

[sadovsf]

16 hours ago, Parusoid said:

I dont have any other clear water source

Then search for steam gayser  there is one for sure 

[Parusoid]

2 hours ago, sadovsf said:

Then search for steam gayser  there is one for sure 

I know there is but I dug pretty vast area and still didn't find. I gues it is hidden somewhere in the corner of the map. I have chlorine and natural gas geysers though. Steam geysers spawn randomly or there is specific biome? 

[sadovsf]

Its in caustic biome i thing (warm and not the mossy green one)