Willow's strats and Grass gekkos.

[EuedeAdodooedoe]

If you got click-baited and thought that Willow has something to do with Grass Gekkos, I'm worry to disappoint you; they're completely different things. Though it beats me making multiple topics about them.

No.1

Willow's mechanics still suck. No matter how much little tweaks you give her for fun or whatever it isn't going to change that. Her having fire immunity back would make here a reasonable character to take for your own sake and having Bernie buffed would would be good for others as well. I thought of a way that Bernie could be useful and to a point where everybody would WELCOME Willow with open arms instead of feeling smug at a newcomer who plays as Willow, being all suspicious of whether they're a griefer:

When a nightmare hit Bernie make the nightmare die instantly and drop nightmare fuel! Simple as that! That way Bernie becomes not only very useful for farming nightmare fuel at the expense of some sewing kits, but also would make players who come in as Willow a godsend to pros. And pros themselves might just take Willow as a character to play for the sake of that sweet sweet nightmare fuel. Plus, the nightmare fuel fits her well; since, as she herself stated:

"Shadows are just inverted flames." - Willow the Triumphant.

No.2

Grass Gekkos don't respawn. They literally don't! Have them as a resource variant and unlike grass, they don't respawn. What the hell? Gekkos are the resources variant for a current world in the game and overtime, they have all disappeared. Those who have died have not respawned. This needs fixing!

[mathem99]

Write this in suggestions forums?

[EuedeAdodooedoe]

*cough*nobody looks in the suggestion section*cough*

[mathem99]

1 hour ago, EuedeAdodooedoe said:

*cough*nobody looks in the suggestion section*cough*

Bless you. why didn't you sneeze it would make my post feel less akward...

[Mikeadatrix]

2 hours ago, EuedeAdodooedoe said:

*cough*nobody looks in the suggestion section*cough*

-wheeze- still not the right place for this pal -wheeze hack moan ded-

[EuedeAdodooedoe]

25 minutes ago, Mikeadatrix said:

-wheeze- still not the right place for this pal -wheeze hack moan ded-

U WANNA HAVE A BAD TOM, BOI?!

[Scoobie101]

3 hours ago, EuedeAdodooedoe said:

Willow's mechanics still suck. No matter how much little tweaks you give her for fun or whatever it isn't going to change that. Her having fire immunity back would make here a reasonable character to take for your own sake and having Bernie buffed would would be good for others as well. I thought of a way that Bernie could be useful and to a point where everybody would WELCOME Willow with open arms instead of feeling smug at a newcomer who plays as Willow, being all suspicious of whether they're a griefer:

When a nightmare hit Bernie make the nightmare die instantly and drop nightmare fuel! Simple as that! That way Bernie becomes not only very useful for farming nightmare fuel at the expense of some sewing kits, but also would make players who come in as Willow a godsend to pros. And pros themselves might just take Willow as a character to play for the sake of that sweet sweet nightmare fuel. Plus, the nightmare fuel fits her well; since, as she herself stated:

"Shadows are just inverted flames." - Willow the Triumphant.

Those are not strats, that is a suggestion, and that makes Bernie insanely OP, as he stands now he IS useful, at least in my opinion. Willow gaining sanity from just being around fire makes it so her going insane is unlikely to happen unless she's fighting a boss mob, so him working for everyone felt like a nice addition that makes Willow bring more to the table. @_@

[EuedeAdodooedoe]

27 minutes ago, Scoobie101 said:

Those are not strats, that is a suggestion, and that makes Bernie insanely OP, as he stands now he IS useful, at least in my opinion. Willow gaining sanity from just being around fire makes it so her going insane is unlikely to happen unless she's fighting a boss mob, so him working for everyone felt like a nice addition that makes Willow bring more to the table. @_@

It wouldn't be OP. It's a trait for a character and would make her useful. But if you consider THAT OP, think about what things other characters can do that can compare with this:

* Woodie - An infinite axe + the ability to chop down trees insanely fast = hoards of logs.

* Wigfrid -  A better helmet that can be crafted with just 2 gold and 2 rocks. Football ones have less durab and require pig skin, which is much tougher to come by, renewably speaking at least. I as Wigfrid, could craft a 100 helmets and getting a bunch of rocks and gold renewably thanks to meteors/Dragonfly's lavae and Pig king + trinkets/insane amounts of meat you can easily obtain (especially from frog rains and hound attacks as well as just spiders or beefalos or... you get the point) makes crafting a bunch of them extremely easy. OP much?

* Wickerbottom - Tired of getting a bunch of grass, twigs, perhaps even reeds (if you have reed trap)? Get a lureplant, call your local librarian and porblem solved. Wanna be a robot that goes Sanik fast for at least the duration of the current season? Call your local librarian! Need more tentacle spots for Whips/Rain coats or just plane Tentacle Spikes? CALL YOU LOCAL FREAKIN' LIBRARIAN! And don't even get me started with Birds of the world and STS...!

* Wilson - With the new DST mechanics for Meat Effigy, the thing has become insanely OP and it doesn't even matter if some newbie who "just joined and will never come back "resurrects with it anymore. Forget about LGA, Touchstones and Telltale hearts; Wilson has all your resurrection needs sorted! You get a meat effigy and you get a meat effigy and YOU get a meat effigy...

So no, in comparison to everybody else, that would not make Bernie/Willow OP. In general, yeah, it might make her OP. But considering you don't get any nightmare fuel from the ruins and you can already EASILY farm nightmare fuel with 2 players farming it (2 players can stun-lock a shadow creature and kill it almost instantly) all it would change is only one player needing to go insane to farm (e.g. Willow herself) and letting Bernie do all the work, whilst she sews him back up and then goes sane once Nightmare fuel doesn't need farming any more. Might even make Nightmare Amulet a tad bit more useful. Cause consider that Shadow creatures don't spawn one after another, unless you're in ruins. And remember that in ruins you have other creatures that will aggroe on the player and never for Bernie, so. Oh and it's not like you can farm nightmare fuel from Shadow Splumonkeys by spawning in tentacles around Splumonkey Pods... And the same for beard hair, manure and cave bananas... >.>

Still think this would make Bernie OP?

And no... how is he useful right now? In a situation where you're screwed, but just happen to have huge amounts of sewing kits/huge amounts of supplies to craft sewing kits? Regardless, it's something that would make Willow welcomed and useful, instead of being considered your typical griefer, wouldn't you agree?

[Scoobie101]

6 minutes ago, EuedeAdodooedoe said:

you can already EASILY farm nightmare fuel

If it's already SOOOOO easy to get, then how does making it a little easier to get make Willow "useful" by your logic? *hostility intensifies*

[EuedeAdodooedoe]

9 minutes ago, Scoobie101 said:

If it's already SOOOOO easy to get, then how does making it a little easier to get make Willow "useful" by your logic? *hostility intensifies*

*hostility...* Hello, there, friend

I certainly would welcome Willows due to that. Farming nightmare fuel is easy, but a bit of a bother, especially since shadows don't spawn that often, even when a lot of players are at base. If shadow creatures died as soon as they chomped on Bernie, you could do some base work whilst Bernie farms nightmare fuel for you. And then he would actually be useful. Otherwise he's just a waste of a sewing kit repair as to kill nightmares and get their loot you have to attack them, after which they will aggroe on you. And them constantly reaggroeing from you and Bernie can even intervene with nightmare fuel farming.

It's something useful for Willow to bring to the table at the very least. Her lighter sucks for other players (requires ridiculous resources for something that can't even be refueled. And just get a lantern; less of a bother to make anyways!) and the lighter used to be something special to her and really taking that as something to give to other players to use when none actually uses it... well...

[Scoobie101]

8 minutes ago, EuedeAdodooedoe said:

*hostility...* Hello, there, friend

I certainly would welcome Willows due to that. Farming nightmare fuel is easy, but a bit of a bother, especially since shadows don't spawn that often, even when a lot of players are at base. If shadow creatures died as soon as they chomped on Bernie, you could do some base work whilst Bernie farms nightmare fuel for you. And then he would actually be useful. Otherwise he's just a waste of a sewing kit repair as to kill nightmares and get their loot you have to attack them, after which they will aggroe on you. And them constantly reaggroeing from you and Bernie can even intervene with nightmare fuel farming.

Hmm, the idea of doing work while Bernie does his thing sounds nice. Although you can already do that since Bernie's whole point is distraction. I dunno, I like him a lot the way he is. Even before he worked for everyone and everyone thought he was pointless, and some people still think he is( when I really don't think he's the key to making Willow useful/fun again), I've always liked him the way he is *shrug*  :T.

[EuedeAdodooedoe]

10 minutes ago, Scoobie101 said:

Hmm, the idea of doing work while Bernie does his thing sounds nice. Although you can already do that since Bernie's whole point is distraction. I dunno, I like him a lot the way he is. Even before he worked for everyone and everyone thought he was pointless, and some people still think he is( when I really don't think he's the key to making Willow useful/fun again), I've always liked him the way he is *shrug*  :T.

The point is to make him useful to OTHERS. Lighter being useful to Willow only and being special to her and not craftable, with infinite durability perhaps even, just like in single player (but working just like Woodie's axe Lucy in multiplayer. In other words, when you equip a torch as Willow, it would swap places with the lighter, wherver it is in the world) plus her fire immunity would give her back the fun part of playing as Willow, whilst with Bernie, she could be useful to others.

[Scoobie101]

11 minutes ago, EuedeAdodooedoe said:

The point is to make him useful to OTHERS. Lighter being useful to Willow only and being special to her and not craftable, with infinite durability perhaps even,

Bernie already works for everyone, and he has good durability. He can easily distract shadows until the other player can sleep or eat cooked green caps or something. But her lighter should totally be infinite again. I don't even care about fire immunity, stuff burns a million times longer in DST, and it's not like you can't overheat in normal DS after x amount of time. I just wish the radius in which she gains sanity from fire was increased, because she's THIS close to being to able to gain sanity from a flaming tree without standing in it. An infinite lighter is just fantastic though. I don't think there's a single other item (minus SW) that gives sanity in the hand slot. (well, only for Willow)

[EuedeAdodooedoe]

23 minutes ago, Scoobie101 said:

Bernie already works for everyone, and he has good durability. He can easily distract shadows until the other player can sleep or eat cooked green caps or something. But her lighter should totally be infinite again. I don't even care about fire immunity, stuff burns a million times longer in DST, and it's not like you can't overheat in normal DS after x amount of time. I just wish the radius in which she gains sanity from fire was increased, because she's THIS close to being to able to gain sanity from a flaming tree without standing in it. An infinite lighter is just fantastic though. I don't think there's a single other item (minus SW) that gives sanity in the hand slot. (well, only for Willow)

I've never seen anyone take advantage of him. There is no useful use for him right now, especially for professionals. And exactly; you're describing the kind of situation which would rarely happen that's why he's useless and nobody cares about him. If he actually farmed nightmare fuel for you, TRUST me; people would LOVE him and especially Willow because she can craft him and bring him to the table!

[Scoobie101]

7 minutes ago, EuedeAdodooedoe said:

I've never seen anyone take advantage of him. There is no useful use for him right now, especially for professionals. And exactly; you're describing the kind of situation which would rarely happen that's why he's useless and nobody cares about him. If he actually farmed nightmare fuel for you, TRUST me; people would LOVE him and especially Willow because she can craft him and bring him to the table!

As a Willow player who has every Willow skin head and body, plays her on literally ANY server so long as there's no mods, and has a good 629 hours into the game, I think THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH BERNIE. His sole purpose was to make up for Willow no longer being fully immune to fire, and not having an infinite lighter. Along with this came the ability to cook on the lighter, and the lighter becoming craft able. Does she feel balanced? In my opinion, yes! Does she feel fun? In my opinion, sorta. But what made her fun for me in single player was her disadvantage to light everything on fire just cause she's low on sanity. I loved how unpredictable she was, and how risky she was to play when doing stuff like a ton of spider farming, or giant killing without the right sanity related gear. But there's no way that'd ever make it back to multiplayer because it doesn't fit AT ALL in a multiplayer setting. Either way, I think, again, the key to making her more fun is not linked to Bernie. And the key to making her balanced is non-existant because she already feels useful/balanced! AND STOP USING TERMS LIKE "pro" or "professionals", even the best of players have their moments, and might make a mistake that leaves them vulnerable. If they're so pro, they can still leave Bernie at base as a "safe spot" to anyone who might be new to the game and/or have issues with controlling sanity. And with that, I say my goodbye to this particular thread, cause there's no need to carry this on when we're basically restating the same thing over and over again at this point. :T

[GuyNamedChris]

I kinda agree with Scoobie on this one, Bernie was mainly for Willow's new (not that new anymore) insanity debuff imo. Bernie gives Willow time to warm up while insane instead of circling flaming trees trying to run away from terrorbeaks. Though it's cool he now works when anyone's insane. I think he's fine as is, letting you kill shadow creatures relatively easily while they're focused on Bernie.

[Mikeadatrix]

1 hour ago, Chris1488 said:

I kinda agree with Scoobie on this one, Bernie was mainly for Willow's new (not that new anymore) insanity debuff imo. Bernie gives Willow time to warm up while insane instead of circling flaming trees trying to run away from terrorbeaks. Though it's cool he now works when anyone's insane. I think he's fine as is, letting you kill shadow creatures relatively easily while they're focused on Bernie.

-why must you torture me like this... mcrx...... *hype intensifies*

[GuyNamedChris]

7 minutes ago, Mikeadatrix said:

-why must you torture me like this... mcrx...... *hype intensifies*

Here.

[Mikeadatrix]

8 minutes ago, Chris1488 said:

Here.

-I know. Just commenting on the fact I have to wait over 2 monthes for any info. Rip fandom,

[EuedeAdodooedoe]

My point was to redeem Willow with Bernie. That's why I made the suggestion. Currently, when has anyone said "you know, it would be great if a Willow came here with a Bernie to help us out with nightmares"? When? He's jackall useful. If he's only useful to Willow due to her Freezing then that's just another reason not to play as her and another reason not to keep her around; she's just another mouth to feed, like Wes. In single player you would pick her due to her strats. Nowyou pick her because you're either new, you're on a server where her features are changed, like her character or you want a challenge. What other use does she have? Just none. I would even go as far as saying Wes is easier because at least when he goes insane it's not like bloody winter for him, is it?

I'm just shocked. First none cares about griefing now Willow and we haven't even gotten to Gekkos yet, which is another reason for this topic.

[Wexton]

here are my ideas for bernie and about the gekkos:

 

The idea about bernie killing the shadows sounds good,it would be amazing on the ruins(maybe too much)that would be something that makes her actually overpowered.i am tired of having 100 shadows following me all the times on the ruins. But maybe instead of make him a instakill,more like killing them on 2 or 3 hits. That or make him have less durability.

And about the gekkos it would be cool to have some kind of stucture like the catcoons,where they could respawn. This sould be some kind of rocky/sandy stucture because the desert and the rock biomes are where they spawn. Each stucture should have a limit of around 5 gekkos and once one is killed,it will respawn one around x number of days.Anyways i never care about the gekkos,the grass from the savannas are just enough.

[Faintly Macabre]

2 hours ago, EuedeAdodooedoe said:

I'm just shocked. First none cares about griefing now Willow and we haven't even gotten to Gekkos yet, which is another reason for this topic.

Man, you are so mentally inflexible it just hurts. Just because people don't like your solutions for griefing doesn't mean that they don't care about it. Just because people don't like your suggestion for buffing Willow doesn't mean they don't care about her.

And now to really blow your mind: I'm not 100% sure grass gekkos should respawn. Resource variants all have upsides and downsides, and if you don't need to come up with some way to keep them safe, the only real downside gekkos have is not being able to herd them somewhere more convenient very effectively, and considering the time you save not having to harvest all of the grass I'm not sure this doesn't end up balanced out (at least as much as any of the other variants do). Also, unlike all of the other variants, grass tufts can actually still exist in a world where gekkos are in play; they will continue to grow healthy on savanna turf (which can be relocated to wherever you like) and in proper savanna "rooms" tufts will gradually respawn if destroyed or relocated.

[Scoobie101]

52 minutes ago, Wexton said:

The idea about bernie killing the shadows sounds good,it would be amazing on the ruins(maybe too much)that would be something that makes her actually overpowered.i am tired of having 100 shadows following me all the times on the ruins. But maybe instead of make him a instakill,more like killing them on 2 or 3 hits. That or make him have less durability.

Bernie won't protect you from shadow creatures spawned by night lights or nightmare cracks.

[Arlesienne]

I will just point out Bernie has already been buffed. He now defends anyone from shadows.

 

[EuedeAdodooedoe]

9 hours ago, TheHalcyonOne said:

Man, you are so mentally inflexible it just hurts. Just because people don't like your solutions for griefing doesn't mean that they don't care about it. Just because people don't like your suggestion for buffing Willow doesn't mean they don't care about her.

And now to really blow your mind: I'm not 100% sure grass gekkos should respawn. Resource variants all have upsides and downsides, and if you don't need to come up with some way to keep them safe, the only real downside gekkos have is not being able to herd them somewhere more convenient very effectively, and considering the time you save not having to harvest all of the grass I'm not sure this doesn't end up balanced out (at least as much as any of the other variants do). Also, unlike all of the other variants, grass tufts can actually still exist in a world where gekkos are in play; they will continue to grow healthy on savanna turf (which can be relocated to wherever you like) and in proper savanna "rooms" tufts will gradually respawn if destroyed or relocated.

No other solution other than the approach I've put in can actually "prevent griefing before it happens". Everything else is an aftermath and damage can still get done. The thing I hate is the fact that because people don't like my suggestions, they dismiss my approaches entirely and then they go back to talking about "preventing griefing" by talking about things that could be implemented to just get rid of the griefers after the damage has already been done.

Okay then. Give me some other way Willow could stop being seen as your "typical griefer" and someone other players actually want on board or perhaps even NEED on board?

Yeah. I tried to keep some near base by telelocating multiple ones in a pen to farm grass. They kept getting killed by Deerclops, though. However the bigger problem is Gekkos that spawn near something like tallbirds in mosaic/rocky biomes or hounds in deserts because they automatically aggroe on them. They kill them and then they're gone. Having the gekkos respawn but for the sake of not exploiting them for grass via using telelocator staff (although as I said with Wickerbottom + Lureplant you can farm grass and twigs anyway), you could not telelocate them. And chasing them inside a pen/chase them where you want is tough, man... ;_;