Expanding DST to include SW and HAM

[Joeylocke420]

In the Don't Starve universe, merging the story narratives of the Don't Starve: Hamlet and Don't Starve: Shipwrecked expansions into the existing lunar lore of Don't Starve Together could create an intricate web of interconnected storylines that deepen the game's lore and offer players a more immersive experience. Here's how it might work:

 

    Lunar Connection:

The mysterious Lunar Island already exists in Don't Starve Together, tied to the Celestial Altar and its celestial power. To weave in the narratives of Hamlet and Shipwrecked, the lunar island could serve as a central hub where the characters find themselves drawn by enigmatic forces. The Celestial Altar, previously linked to the moon, could be additionaly used a conduit connecting these different realms...

 

    Don't Starve: Hamlet Integration:

  The worlds of Don't Starve Together could be infused with elements from the city of Pigmen and ruins found in Hamlet. Ancient hieroglyphs and remnants from the Pig City could be scattered across the island. Players could discover a portal leading to a pocket dimension where time operates differently, allowing them to explore elements from Hamlet more directly.         The Hamlet narrative could involve unraveling the history of the Pig King and uncovering the origins of the Lunar Island's connection to the moon.

 

    Don't Starve: Shipwrecked Integration:

  The ocean surrounding the Lunar, Pearl, and Wonkey islands could be expanded to include areas inspired by the tropical archipelagos from Shipwrecked. Players could find shipwreck setpieces, various islands, venomous beasts and changing climates, along with wreckage from vessels that failed at sailing the treacherous seas.

   These shipwrecks could contain clues about how the moon's power led them to the island. A portal on the island could lead to a submerged area where players dive into the depths to explore underwater biomes, requested numerous times, further expanding the Shipwrecked narrative. Davy Jones boss?

 

Crossover Characters and Lore:

  Characters from Hamlet and Shipwrecked could be integrated as playable or NPC, lore permitting

 

Celestial Altar and Rituals:

 

The Celestial Altar could become a pivotal location for conducting rituals that bridge the gap between the different realms. Players could gather resources from both the Lunar Island and the pocket dimensions linked to Hamlet and Shipwrecked to craft powerful celestial items. These items might serve as keys to unlocking deeper layers of the interconnected narrative.

 

By intertwining the narratives of Hamlet and Shipwrecked with the existing lunar lore in Don't Starve Together, the game would create a more cohesive and expansive storyline that draws players into a world filled with mystery, intrigue, and otherworldly connections. This approach further enriches the lore and provides players with a dynamic and immersive experience as they explore the ties between different dimensions and the cosmic forces that shape the Don't Starve universe. It also provides a wider roadmap to include wider content updates without compromising current lore. It would also provide the largest expansion to DST to date, item wise. The sprites exist, as do the Skyworthy and Seaworthy. Let's set sail, to the Mountaintop!

 

 

 

[Well-met]

its never happening.

not only making your previous titles obsolete a poor business model but the transition to multiplayer optimization and support would be astronomical.

[Bugsworth]

That would cost performance and I know for a fact that a decent proportion of DST players computers wouldn't be able to handle it.

[JustAFlower]

I really want this to happen in some way because I always dreamed of an event when the aporkalypse  and the eye of the storm is here at the same time. 

[chirsg]

I want an island that adds shops, and the ability to build houses.

I'll take a hamlet lite.

It's about time civilization came to this wretched game. Capitalism is good... Sometimes.

[00petar00]

Klei could take shipwrecked content and implement it as Ocean is quite empty, It would be fun dealing with different seasonal events on different islands.

What I really want is some sort of hamlet implementation, I love shopping and collecting money in that DLC and this would also really help with loot management as chests accumulate quite fast and giving players currency would be beneficial as we wouldn't need to collect stacks of everything and have hundreds of chests.

I would like to see slanty shanty/house in DST but with the ability to lock out other players at the same time make it indestructible except by hammer from the creator and limit where it can be built also it should only be 1 per player so that it won't be used as indestructible wall. This would protect everything you can put inside from griefing. I know that some people may dislike this suggestion because deerclops or other bosses wouldn't be able to destroy it but I'd say a good solution to that is to just put the blueprint for it behind a raid boss (allow more blueprints to drop if there are multiple players fighting), new players wouldn't be able to kill it without help and someone who is able to kill a raid boss won't have their buildings destroyed because of deerclops. The space inside is very limited and not everything can be placed in it so you would still need to build outside.

[gamehun20]

3 hours ago, Joeylocke420 said:

origins of the Lunar Island's connection to the moon.

I really don't understand what you were trying to mean by this. The lunar island is a piece of the moon that fell there is nothing to investigate about this it's pretty clear

[_zwb]

Having 6 shards at once would literally set my PC on fire

[Mike23Ua]

6 hours ago, _zwb said:

Having 6 shards at once would literally set my PC on fire

Not necessarily.. and no one ever said anything about having 6 active at once.

There are several ways Klei could add SW & Hamlet to DST…

#1 and probably most likely to happen: They release them as paid DLC expansions to DST (Shipwrecked & Hamlet: Together) and just like Minecraft- Only the HOST would need to own the actual DLC but ANYONE rather they owned it or not could join “Downloading DLC Assets” Then just like when playing Solo DS- prior to starting a game world you can choose rather to start in a DST world (with Return of Them boating Mechanics) or a Shipwrecked/Hamlet World With SW/Ham Boating Mechanics, World Gen and Features.

This seems to be most probable to me because prior to hosting a world: you can choose between “Standard Forest” & “The Caves” as your two world shards, But.. what stopping you from swapping those two out prior to starting a new world to “Shipwrecked Archipelago” & “Hamlet Temples”?

Thats Option 1 which would probably be most optimal…

#2- Klei created an Entire Island in DST called Lunar Island that had its very own exclusive Mobs, mob behaviors & it’s very own weather effect while you the player were on this island (Lunacy which flipped the effects of Sanity)

So.. Theoretically what exactly is stopping Klei from adding a Shipwrecked or Hamlet themed Island out at sea with its own unique mobs, mechanics & weather patterns while on the island?

This seems more troublesome then just switching the two shards as Suggestion 1 states, but Dang it would be cool to theoretically just “Sail into” Shipwrecked..

This is also Canon to the games Lore because when Warly was added to DST the survivors rush to recover him from his ship that had dashed against the shore: heavily Implying that one can simply “Sail into” Shipwrecked from DST & Vice-Versa.

Hamlet is also canon to take place in the skies above Dont Starve, so when Return of Them happened: And a large chunk of the moon broke off and crash landed into the Ocean- Who’s to say it didn’t hit a chunk of Hamlet on its way down and also knock IT into the ocean?

[Dextops]

18 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

Not necessarily.

Yeah not necessarily burst in flames their pc would violently explode instead 

[Mike23Ua]

8 minutes ago, Dextops said:

Yeah not necessarily burst in flames their pc would violently explode instead 

How?? Your swapping the two existing server shards out, for two new ones.. your not running 6 shards at once…

Your literally replacing “The Caves” with “Hamlet Temple” and you can only do that BEFORE Generating a game world to explore.

[gamehun20]

31 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

Hamlet is also canon to take place in the skies above Dont Starve, so when Return of Them happened: And a large chunk of the moon broke off and crash landed into the Ocean- Who’s to say it didn’t hit a chunk of Hamlet on its way down and also knock IT into the ocean?

That would probably result in Hamlet's sky islands stopping the chunk of moon it's not paper thin and can easily support bfb i really don't think that would make it all of the sudden break off a big chunk (and is shown in the trailer that it in fact didn't hit anything) also these things are probably not in dst so they don't have to take in to mind every single piece that can found on hamlet or in shipwrecked because if you only port a few things then people are going to ask why aren't the other things in? And would also make the dlcs less unique because why would you buy a game and it's dlcs if you could just get the one that is still updated

[Joeylocke420]

That could suggest the idea that perhaps there was another piece of the Lunar island that was lodged on the Hamlet during its fall. Maybe finally some further lore for Wormwood as he originated with Hamlet. As suggested earlier, it would make sense to have Shipwrecked Islands. However I think some equivalent to the Skyworthy would fit, possibly naturally spawning. This could be enabled in worldgen settings upon purchasing the Return to Hamlet Expansion 

[ShadowDuelist]

At most they could add a new (optional) shard for a mountaintop or sky region with new stuff. Sure it would kick a lot of potato users out of the new content but that seems doable.

The game would require optimization on how it’s processed at some point to keep expanding it, but that seems somewhat harder to do since it’s built like this for computers of 2013. I think they would eventually be better off continuing right where they left dst but in a new engine (making it dst 2 or whatever). Hopefully if it’s designed from scratch, the game will use the CPU and GPU better and all shards will exist together (removing or at least minimizing loading times) and being able to have as many ”shards” as they desire.

[Mike23Ua]

19 minutes ago, gamehun20 said:

That would probably result in Hamlet's sky islands stopping the chunk of moon it's not paper thin and can easily support bfb i really don't think that would make it all of the sudden break off a big chunk (and is shown in the trailer that it in fact didn't hit anything) also these things are probably not in dst so they don't have to take in to mind every single piece that can found on hamlet or in shipwrecked because if you only port a few things then people are going to ask why aren't the other things in? And would also make the dlcs less unique because why would you buy a game and it's dlcs if you could just get the one that is still updated

I mean: The DLCs for Solo DS are 6$ each.. I see no logical reasoning why Klei can’t charge me another 12$ for SW&Ham in DST… If someone’s playing solo DS exclusively just for these two DLC expansion packs then what does that actually say about the Base Game???

I personally go back and play Solo DS to enjoy Pre-Character Reworks, the Rogue-Lite 5 Chapter Adventures Campaign and several pre-DST gameplay mechanics & features such as still having a completely unsailable ocean, that utilizes this cardboard cutout ocean as a way of generating Obstacles the player needs to find a way to navigate through.

I must ask you the most bizarre question…

Do you still play the linear Batman Arkham Asylum when the Superior open world Arkham City came out? And when Arkham Knight came out after that (debatable on rather it was actually superior to City or not thanks to cramming every segment of the game with Bat-Tanks) Did you still play Arkham City when Knight came out??

And even the newest game Gotham Knights, while critics heavily panned it: Do you still play the Bat-Tank infested Arkham Knight, or do you play the (in my opinion..) Superior Gotham Knights that actually has a living Breathing city full of pedestrians when NO OTHER Batman game before it did? Not only does it have Pedestrians you can save, or well errr fail to save: It also has COPS that weren’t always on your side.. and saw you as a vigilante so after clearing an area of criminals you had to quickly escape the area or likely be killed by the police that show up..?

(gotham knights is an underrated game TBH..)

My point is that you can’t realistically expect me to still play the 2013 DS… when DST is getting monthly content updates and being kept relevant in 2023.. can you?

I can assure you that other than reliving the story, I don’t go back and play the linear 2008 Arkham Asylum even though it was at the time spectacular… When there’s a brand new open world Gotham to free roam around to my hearts content with itself.

I actually barely ever get to play the Shipwrecked and Hamlet DLCs that I purchased because I’m almost always opting to not play them just so I can play DST with a friend or two.

And in fact: if Klei re-released Don’t Starve but with new 2player co-op and Skin support, I likely wouldn’t play DST at all.. and would instead just play DS but with a friend or Two.

Which is originally what DST was meant to be… until it branched out and become something else.. more of an actual sequel then just DS with friends.

So.. OBVIOUSLY people are going to want to enjoy the DLC worlds and playable characters from solo DS in DST (now no longer just DS with friends.. & is instead pretty much DS 2 at this point.)

If your on PC you can even install some nifty mods that let you play Shipwrecked and Hamlet in DST with other players.

But if you happen to be on Xbox, PlayStation or Nintendo Switch… you just have to hope Klei supports them in some sort of “official” capacity at some point.

OTHERWISE- Your asking me to go play Arkham Asylum when bigger, better ideas have been introduced throughout the series existence. 

[Just Mactusk]

I'm pretty sure ds hamlet and sw take place in another universe, or that my most likely theory,

 

 

 

[_zwb]

8 minutes ago, Good Ol Mactusk said:

I'm pretty sure ds hamlet and sw take place in another universe, or that my most likely theory,

 

 

 

Warly, Wormwood:

[Just Mactusk]

I mean yeah, but when you list the cast of characters missing in dst, it really makes you wonder where they went, klei could've also just commit a fnaf lore confusion but I wouldn't know better

[Neu7ral]

23 minutes ago, Good Ol Mactusk said:

I'm pretty sure ds hamlet and sw take place in another universe, or that my most likely theory,

14 minutes ago, _zwb said:

Warly, Wormwood:

No correlation between those.

[gamehun20]

1 hour ago, Mike23Ua said:

Your asking me to go play Arkham Asylum when bigger, better ideas have been introduced throughout the series existence. 

Yeah you should you said it yourself those games are really good and has big city to explore. You don't often see a sequel bring back the exact same thing that the first game did with it's dlcs then what was even the point of making a second one? I in particular do not really want to see the old content again because that's just re using what we already have and know everything about. Isn't it more fun to see something new? You know things that don't have to be connected to already established things and can establish their own story like yeah we could clutter the world with shipwrecked and hamlet stuff but we could also clutter that space with new stuff instead

[Mike23Ua]

15 minutes ago, gamehun20 said:

Yeah you should you said it yourself those games are really good and has big city to explore. You don't often see a sequel bring back the exact same thing that the first game did with it's dlcs then what was even the point of making a second one? I in particular do not really want to see the old content again because that's just re using what we already have and know everything about. Isn't it more fun to see something new? You know things that don't have to be connected to already established things and can establish their own story like yeah we could clutter the world with shipwrecked and hamlet stuff but we could also clutter that space with new stuff instead

Majority of the new stuff has sucked, and has either been abandoned half way or in some cases 15% through, or worse was told it’ll be fleshed out and make sense later, and Later never came (here’s looking at you Ocean & Lunar/Shadow Rifts) yes the Rifts are relatively new so it’s unfair to add them to this list, but if the Ocean that still feels very much like an early Beta is any indication to go by: I don’t have high hopes for the Lunar Rifts.

I can say this with Confidence because there was once a scrapped concept art of Moonglass supposedly mutating and turning normally peaceful mobs hostile, yet if we look at Moon glass TODAY- it’s used in very very few crafting recipes and has been “mostly” forgotten.

So you want “New” i want something that’s actually already fully finished and fully fleshed out and doesn’t feel like making it up as we go along..

I actually DONT have high hopes for the Lunar/Shadow Rifts, just like when Klei said after they finished all the character reworks we would get bigger more meaningful world content updates- yet instead we have skill trees now which is effectively “Reworks Round Two!” 

I would love for Klei to prove me wrong and make me eat my own words, but so far.. I’m filled with much uncertainty and a great deal of doubt.

Also Left 4 Dead 2 had the ENTIRETY Of Left 4 Dead 1 weapons, characters, maps etc.. ported over into it… so- There’s That.

If you don’t want Hamlet and Shipwrecked in DST that’s fine, you can just say that and that’s Your opinion your entitled to have it, However… Don’t just “Dismiss” the people who would actually enjoy if it were to happen.

I can say with certainty that some of the DLC characters in DST have felt hit or Miss, meanwhile DS (& it’s DLCs) have several already established characters who are all equally trapped inside the constant that people have already played as and love.

Yes this may mean I’m not a huge fan of Walter or hidden secret character Wonkey, But what I was a fan of was Wheeler, Walani, Wagstaff & Wilbur.

Sometimes “New” doesn’t always = “Better”

[_zwb]

2 hours ago, Neu7ral said:

No correlation between those.

Wdym? Wormwood's trailer literally showed him came to being in a Hamlet jungle, how comes this has no correlation with Hamlet being cannon?

[Juanasdf]

Afaik Hamlet and SW are annon, but Wilson going to them isn't.

[Capybara007]

Sw sea works differently than dst sea, they cant just glue it all together

[Just Ragnar]

I just want coffee beans and im happy. Make it a Warly skill tree thing where he can order food from charlie if he chooses shadow alignment and he gets coffee beans!