Expanding DST to include SW and HAM

[Jakepeng99]

They should make dst as cool as hamlet and shipwrecked instead.

On 8/10/2023 at 4:55 PM, Neu7ral said:

No correlation between those.

The pigs came from hamlet. They are implied to be invasive and the king moved there. One side did better than the other.

[ALCRD]

On 8/10/2023 at 4:16 PM, Mike23Ua said:

#1 and probably most likely to happen: They release them as paid DLC expansions to DST (Shipwrecked & Hamlet: Together) and just like Minecraft- Only the HOST would need to own the actual DLC but ANYONE rather they owned it or not could join “Downloading DLC Assets” Then just like when playing Solo DS- prior to starting a game world you can choose rather to start in a DST world (with Return of Them boating Mechanics) or a Shipwrecked/Hamlet World With SW/Ham Boating Mechanics, World Gen and Features.

Uhm excuse me but what kind of Minecraft you talking about?

Minecraft Java has no DLCs or any paid let alone separate expansions. Everything is contained in the main game accessible to everyone.

And Minecraft Bedrock has only paid "mods" of sorts and cosmetic addons of sorts no expansions DLCs that you "host" or anything like that.

[cropo]

3 hours ago, Jakepeng99 said:

 

The pigs came from hamlet. They are implied to be invasive and the king moved there. One side did better than the other.

 

There's also the fact that the robots of Hamlet are clearly powered through lunar forces. The Iron Hulk boss drops ''infused'' iron the same way you can get ''infused'' glass shards in DST, they also expire into iron the same way the glass shards expire.

 

The robots were made to fight ''a long forgotten war'', Hamlet takes place after this war which is why the pieces are broken down. They are also unique in that they will deliberately aggro shadow creatures and fight them.   Seems kind of familiar with the obvious ''war'' arc coming between the lunar and shadow in DST doesn't it? We also have a time-traveling character now.

 

Other things of interest in Hamlet and DST is that the new brightshades interact heavily with plants and Hamlet has an entire season dedicated to the aggressive invasion of territory by clearly sentient plants. They are clearly being overgrown thanks to their exposure of the life-water hidden in Hamlets world. The fountains design seems heavily inspired by the arcane archives in DST although worn out, and is shaped like the pugalisk....a giant snake, said archives having robot versions of a giant elongated snakelike enemy. The player gets arcane knowledge in the Archive through the processing of vigorating liquids...coincidence?

 

There's just a lot of things in Hamlet especially, and some in Shipwrecked that hint to everything being connected.

 

I strongly believe that Hamlet is the FUTURE of DST, after the ''war'' arc they're going for is resolved, future updates might be changed to copy Hamlet mechanics with a new story like they are doing with Shipwrecked-RoT.

[Mike23Ua]

2 hours ago, ALCRD said:

Uhm excuse me but what kind of Minecraft you talking about?

Minecraft Java has no DLCs or any paid let alone separate expansions. Everything is contained in the main game accessible to everyone.

And Minecraft Bedrock has only paid "mods" of sorts and cosmetic addons of sorts no expansions DLCs that you "host" or anything like that.

I have absolutely no idea what “Minecraft” you have been playing all these years, but yes, Minecraft actually DOES Have Paid DLC Expansions… and Only one player needs to OWN the DLC but any of their friends who Don’t Own the DLC can Join (it just takes longer for them to Download DLC Assets trying to join then it would if they also Owned the DLC)

Why am I bringing this up?? Because Klei devs once said the entire reason Return of Them was Free was because they didn’t want to separate their fanbase between who has DLC & Who doesn’t.

But… if Minecraft can do it, technically- So could DST, and personally, if I’ve paid 8$ each for DLCs for Minecraft Batman, Sonic, Ben 10, TMNT, Etc Etc..

Then I wouldn’t mind paying 10$ for Shipwrecked & 10$ for Hamlet Support.

But since DST as a Whole has only ever cost 15$ At that point I’d be paying twice as much (+5$) for the Game. However… I would still do it, because that’s how bad I want those two expansions in DST.

Furthermore: Klei straight up Discontinued the Lunar Horror Mobs that were obviously the original “Theme” to Return of Them, they’re even Showcased in an Animated Short.. so there was at one time going to be more of this Mighty Max Esque Horror Content.. but Klei deemed such a thing as Unfitting for the game and canceled their existence.

Had they Released Return of Them as a fully completed Lunar Horror DLC expansion and charged like 10$ for it, then players who actually WANT to experience that kind of bizarre mobs/content could’ve opt’d in to buying it, or not.

Instead, it was added to the base game outside of dlc and a strong vocal minority cried about how unfitting it was for the game, so it ended up on the cutting room floor.

I will ALWAYS be upset about this… Always, I enjoyed Regular Red Dead just as much as I enjoyed the Zombie DLC Undead Nightmare, One of my favorite Borderlands DLCs was Zombie Island of Dr Zed.. so to have that type of content scrapped leaves me pretty heart broken to be completely honest.

Sure maybe it was “unfitting” of “Base” Don’t Starve Together.. but it would’ve been no different from a Hamlet or Shipwrecked sized “Expansion”

Now though… all I can do is daydream about what could’ve been, and look at what currently is with a high amount of uncertainty for where it’s heading.

TL:DR- If Klei wanted to do DLC, actual.. good, fully completed DLC they could’ve made it work like Minecraft does so they don’t quote “Separate their fanbase between those who own/don’t own DLC”

[ALCRD]

1 hour ago, Mike23Ua said:

I have absolutely no idea what “Minecraft” you have been playing all these years, but yes, Minecraft actually DOES Have Paid DLC Expansions… and Only one player needs to OWN the DLC but any of their friends who Don’t Own the DLC can Join (it just takes longer for them to Download DLC Assets trying to join then it would if they also Owned the DLC)

Why am I bringing this up?? Because Klei devs once said the entire reason Return of Them was Free was because they didn’t want to separate their fanbase between who has DLC & Who doesn’t.

But… if Minecraft can do it, technically- So could DST, and personally, if I’ve paid 8$ each for DLCs for Minecraft Batman, Sonic, Ben 10, TMNT, Etc Etc..

Then I wouldn’t mind paying 10$ for Shipwrecked & 10$ for Hamlet Support.

But since DST as a Whole has only ever cost 15$ At that point I’d be paying twice as much (+5$) for the Game. However… I would still do it, because that’s how bad I want those two expansions in DST.

Furthermore: Klei straight up Discontinued the Lunar Horror Mobs that were obviously the original “Theme” to Return of Them, they’re even Showcased in an Animated Short.. so there was at one time going to be more of this Mighty Max Esque Horror Content.. but Klei deemed such a thing as Unfitting for the game and canceled their existence.

Had they Released Return of Them as a fully completed Lunar Horror DLC expansion and charged like 10$ for it, then players who actually WANT to experience that kind of bizarre mobs/content could’ve opt’d in to buying it, or not.

Instead, it was added to the base game outside of dlc and a strong vocal minority cried about how unfitting it was for the game, so it ended up on the cutting room floor.

I will ALWAYS be upset about this… Always, I enjoyed Regular Red Dead just as much as I enjoyed the Zombie DLC Undead Nightmare, One of my favorite Borderlands DLCs was Zombie Island of Dr Zed.. so to have that type of content scrapped leaves me pretty heart broken to be completely honest.

Sure maybe it was “unfitting” of “Base” Don’t Starve Together.. but it would’ve been no different from a Hamlet or Shipwrecked sized “Expansion”

Now though… all I can do is daydream about what could’ve been, and look at what currently is with a high amount of uncertainty for where it’s heading.

TL:DR- If Klei wanted to do DLC, actual.. good, fully completed DLC they could’ve made it work like Minecraft does so they don’t quote “Separate their fanbase between those who own/don’t own DLC”

That's scary...

I'm playing Minecraft java on PC and it doesn't have anything like that at all. We can mod the game for free tho and customize our character's skin look also for free.

And your statement about Return of Them is concerning. You would prefer if free content updates were paid dlcs?

I honestly hope i'll never live the day when DST turns free content updates into paid mod-like addon "dlcs". 

 

Anyways i don't understand how that would solve DST needing to run multipile separate Shards.

Keep in mind in original DS you can travel between Shipwrecked , Hamlet , RoG and still access Caves on SAME save file and the SW Volcano counts as separate "world" instance from what i noticed that needs to generate upon first entry. So that's like what 5 Shards if this was in DST?

Remember in DST sub worlds need to be on separate shards (Cave and Mainland are separate server shards running at same time synced) for everything to work properly.

So only way to do it is either needing 5 separate shards for DST , Caves , H , SW or to completely ditch the idea of being able to travel between these worlds on same game and just be able to host one at a time.

(which Island Adventures total conversion mod basically already did and they did it amazingly! Same team also is working on Hamlet total conversion). 

I mean look how marvelous this is:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1467214795

And the best part is it's FREE

So you might wanna check it out ... oh wait  you're on console.

[lenship2]

1 hour ago, Mike23Ua said:

So could DST, and personally, if I’ve paid 8$ each for DLCs for Minecraft Batman, Sonic, Ben 10, TMNT, Etc Etc..

bruh

the minecraft bedrock community marketplace is one of the biggest scams i've ever seen

[ALCRD]

12 minutes ago, lenship2 said:

bruh

the minecraft bedrock community marketplace is one of the biggest scams i've ever seen

For real ..and he would want this kind of crap to happen in DST?

Console gaming mentality right there.. 

[00petar00]

@Mike23Ua is completely on point here.

If you combine every single content release for DST since the beta it can probably compare to one DLC of DS and even in that case there have not been that many big changes as that is completely different expansion and it is a bit unfair to take it as 1:1 comparison but money is the biggest reason klei can't take such a big project for DST, they need to release content so often for players to not get bored and buy skins and they don't have the incentive to go that big anyway as DST is a one time purchase game.

I believe that most players that are enjoying DST as much as me and have thousands upon thousands of hours played would actually pay for DLC if it meant they'd get much bigger content releases.

I know that klei has officially stated that they don't want any DLCs because it would split the playerbase but that is only true if you require everyone to have the DLC instead of just the host, they may make less money but I think that it would be profitable enough to be worth doing.

[Mike23Ua]

21 minutes ago, ALCRD said:

That's scary...

I'm playing Minecraft java on PC and it doesn't have anything like that at all. We can mod the game for free tho and customize our character's skin look also for free.

And your statement about Return of Them is concerning. You would prefer if free content updates were paid dlcs?

I honestly hope i'll never live the day when DST turns free content updates into paid mod-like addon "dlcs". 

 

Anyways i don't understand how that would solve DST needing to run multipile separate Shards.

Keep in mind in original DS you can travel between Shipwrecked , Hamlet , RoG and still access Caves on SAME save file and the SW Volcano counts as separate "world" instance from what i noticed that needs to generate upon first entry. So that's like what 5 Shards if this was in DST?

Remember in DST sub worlds need to be on separate shards (Cave and Mainland are separate server shards running at same time synced) for everything to work properly.

So only way to do it is either needing 5 separate shards for DST , Caves , H , SW or to completely ditch the idea of being able to travel between these worlds on same game and just be able to host one at a time.

(which Island Adventures total conversion mod basically already did and they did it amazingly! Same team also is working on Hamlet total conversion). 

I mean look how marvelous this is:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1467214795

And the best part is it's FREE

So you might wanna check it out ... oh wait  you're on console.

Well in Single Player DS, Your actually NOT running 5-6 shards at once, (at least on console your not… idk how the hell the game functions on PC) on Console what happens is when you travel to a new location, the other location you just left offloads, Same thing sort of happens with Surface/Caves in Solo DS (which is why so many PC players trying to play DST cry about how long load times are between surface/cave, or they can’t host caves at all & need a DS Alone Mod to do it..)

In DST the game currently CANT offload those old areas because with 6 or more players running around, some may be on surface, some may be in caves, some may be in Shipwrecked.

To put that into DS Solo Context for You: It’s like if DS had 3 player Co-op, and while playing Adventures Mode.. Everyone could be in a different chapter.

In Solo DS when you leave chapter 1 behind you move on to chapter 2 taking only what you could fit into the Teleportato and chapter 1 is never seen again.. 

There are several ways Klei could add SW & Hamlet to DST, the first as you said- Abandon the thought of traveling between the different Shards.. OR alternatively…

It could be done like the “Huddle Up” request from Dead Island 2 where all the players in the world need to be in the Teleportation zone or NO ONE Loads into the next area.

This prevents your game from having to run the dude on the surface, the dude in the caves, the girl chilling in a Hamlet Village, the player in a Shipwrecked shard etc…

Everyone goes (& the other world briefly offloads) same as any Co-op story mission in Gotham Knights- Or NO ONE Goes.

However… I don’t think we really “Need” to be able to travel between the DLCs either.. I would be fine just choosing which DLC I want to play in prior to the game generating a World for me to play in.

And as an added bonus: Klei can add “Limited” DLC content as world Gen options for creating a world, such as.. for example: Adding Jellyfish from SW as a mob choice you can spawn in if you own the SW expansion.

Similar to how buying the More Creatures DLC in Minecraft let’s you spawn in more creatures (let’s not get into the whole PC = Free Mods, Consoles = Paid Money scam Ripoff arguement because that’s IRRELEVANT to the point I’m trying to make..)

If I own Shipwrecked & Hamlet I should be able to have some (again limited…) world Gen settings I can add features from those games into DST with, such as Crocdogs, or Piko Squirrels.

I strongly keep saying “Limited” because: Porting the entire DLCs over into DST and not having them be separate “Worlds” would clash with the current design of the game..

(Shipwrecked boats and boating Mechanics wouldn’t work since we have DST Boats & Content designed around DST boats/Boating Mechanics, such as Pinching Winch and Rudder etc..)

HOWEVER- If I choose to host a “Shipwrecked” World, then it would load only Shipwrecked biomes, mobs, gameplay mechanics, etc.. which wouldn’t affect current DST.

Buying said Shipwrecked Together DLC could also come with bonuses- Such as Getting Walani, Wilba, Wilbur, Woodlegs for Free as well as a few Shipwrecked inspired belonging skins (people who don’t own the dlc can buy or weave then separately) 

Similar to how Wormwood was given away free if you bought Hamlet (but only on PC.)

Getting to my point (and completely ignoring that PC Mods are Free..) If I paid 10$ for a Sonic DLC for Minecraft to change my world to feature Sonic the Hedgehog Mobs & gameplay mechanics and skins… then I could do the same damn thing with DST when it comes to Shipwrecked and Hamlet or the now non-existent Lunar Horror Expansion.

[lenship2]

4 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

a good idea

i agree, but you're making yourself look really silly by comparing this to console minecraft's "mods"

there should be two extra dlc tabs at the top of the worldgen settings for hamlet + shipwrecked, and if you own either of the dlcs you can choose to enable it (though it should probably disable the other shards if you do)

[ALCRD]

32 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

Well in Single Player DS, Your actually NOT running 5-6 shards at once, (at least on console your not… idk how the hell the game functions on PC) on Console what happens is when you travel to a new location, the other location you just left offloads, Same thing sort of happens with Surface/Caves in Solo DS (which is why so many PC players trying to play DST cry about how long load times are between surface/cave, or they can’t host caves at all & need a DS Alone Mod to do it..)

DS on PC also has no shards cause it's "built different" than DST which is mostly structured like as a multipalyer game.

32 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

To put that into DS Solo Context for You: It’s like if DS had 3 player Co-op, and while playing Adventures Mode.. Everyone could be in a different chapter.

In Solo DS when you leave chapter 1 behind you move on to chapter 2 taking only what you could fit into the Teleportato and chapter 1 is never seen again.. 

There are several ways Klei could add SW & Hamlet to DST, the first as you said- Abandon the thought of traveling between the different Shards.. OR alternatively…

It could be done like the “Huddle Up” request from Dead Island 2 where all the players in the world need to be in the Teleportation zone or NO ONE Loads into the next area.

This prevents your game from having to run the dude on the surface, the dude in the caves, the girl chilling in a Hamlet Village, the player in a Shipwrecked shard etc…

Everyone goes (& the other world briefly offloads) same as any Co-op story mission in Gotham Knights- Or NO ONE Goes.

However… I don’t think we really “Need” to be able to travel between the DLCs either.. I would be fine just choosing which DLC I want to play in prior to the game generating a World for me to play in.

And as an added bonus: Klei can add “Limited” DLC content as world Gen options for creating a world, such as.. for example: Adding Jellyfish from SW as a mob choice you can spawn in if you own the SW expansion.

Similar to how buying the More Creatures DLC in Minecraft let’s you spawn in more creatures (let’s not get into the whole PC = Free Mods, Consoles = Paid Money scam Ripoff arguement because that’s IRRELEVANT to the point I’m trying to make..)

If I own Shipwrecked & Hamlet I should be able to have some (again limited…) world Gen settings I can add features from those games into DST with, such as Crocdogs, or Piko Squirrels.

I strongly keep saying “Limited” because: Porting the entire DLCs over into DST and not having them be separate “Worlds” would clash with the current design of the game..

(Shipwrecked boats and boating Mechanics wouldn’t work since we have DST Boats & Content designed around DST boats/Boating Mechanics, such as Pinching Winch and Rudder etc..)

HOWEVER- If I choose to host a “Shipwrecked” World, then it would load only Shipwrecked biomes, mobs, gameplay mechanics, etc.. which wouldn’t affect current DST.

Buying said Shipwrecked Together DLC could also come with bonuses- Such as Getting Walani, Wilba, Wilbur, Woodlegs for Free as well as a few Shipwrecked inspired belonging skins (people who don’t own the dlc can buy or weave then separately) 

Similar to how Wormwood was given away free if you bought Hamlet (but only on PC.)

Getting to my point (and completely ignoring that PC Mods are Free..) If I paid 10$ for a Sonic DLC for Minecraft to change my world to feature Sonic the Hedgehog Mobs & gameplay mechanics and skins… then I could do the same damn thing with DST when it comes to Shipwrecked and Hamlet or the now non-existent Lunar Horror Expansion.

So sadly no Seaworthy / Skyworthy.

I guess it could work but probably won't ever happen given the amount of work needed and tweaks/reworks necessary (I assume the HM/SW characters you mention would be available to use on default DST worlds too)

However this is nowhere near the predatory paid-mods tactics that Bedrock Minecraft market does so bad comparison overall. I am against sh** like this when it goes for regular DST updates that add "small" amount of content and changes additions on top of them (like the Lunar , Moon Quay , Rifts updates) being turned into these kinds of "DLCs".

That would be just horrible..

[Copyafriend]

On 8/10/2023 at 10:29 AM, Mike23Ua said:

Do you still play the linear Batman Arkham Asylum when the Superior open world Arkham City came out? And when Arkham Knight came out after that (debatable on rather it was actually superior to City or not thanks to cramming every segment of the game with Bat-Tanks) Did you still play Arkham City when Knight came out??

man you go on the most random tangents to prove your point sometimes.

Yeah sometimes I'll play older games, even when "new games" exist. Dark souls 2 is my favorite of the series, and i'll play it even if elden ring exists. I have plenty of nostalgia for them. however almost no one going back to play solo will be buying it, as they probably already own it. thus this entire point is kind of moot. Secondly the games are SO similar it's already kind of iffy to buy solo once you get together. the DLC are the only parts really worthwhile.

it's not darksouls vs dark souls 2 or asylum versus city. it's dont starve 1.0 vs 2.0. the only benefit 1.0 has is unique dlc maps.

People who play together have plenty of completely new content in solo atm, it's not really an "older version" as it has different content. Reign of giants? a complete 100% downgrade. the characters being pre-rework is more likely than not seen as a complete downside than a "hey at least it's different" like you think they will see it.

if we add hamlet and shipwrecked as a direct port than a lot of players will then see solo as a complete downgrade from together, not as a side grade like it currently is. therefore, it's generally a bad idea. Though I'd love some "shipwrecked lite" or "hamlet lite" content, like a single island dedicated to the pig town, or dolphins or something from hamlet.

finally, throughout this entire discussion you have shown a complete and total lack of understanding for how the game and its shards work. you can't just add 3 shards to the game and expect it to just work, thats more than double the current workload on computers, and there IS an upper limit. heck even when they just added the oceans they talked a lot about technical limitations and difficulty involving it.

You can't just say "Go bigger, why not" it just doesn't always work.

[Mike23Ua]

17 minutes ago, ALCRD said:

DS on PC also has no shards cause it's "built different" than DST which is mostly structured like as a multipalyer game.

So sadly no Seaworthy / Skyworthy.

I guess it could work but probably won't ever happen given the amount of work needed and tweaks/reworks necessary (I assume the HM/SW characters you mention would be available to use on default DST worlds too)

However this is nowhere near the predatory paid-mods tactics that Bedrock Minecraft market does so bad comparison overall. I am against sh** like this when it goes for regular DST updates that add "small" amount of content and changes additions on top of them (like the Lunar , Moon Quay , Rifts updates) being turned into these kinds of "DLCs".

That would be just horrible..

Oh no you simply misunderstand me- a huge entire game world changing dlc the same size and scope of Shipwrecked & Hamlet would be what I’d spend 10$ on, I’m not paying 10$ for Lunar Island, 10$ for Moon Quay, 10$ for Wild Rifts… lol Klei done went EA Greedy if we ever went that route…

But a big DLC I can really sink my teeth into (to me some of the best examples of good DLCs are Red Dead Undead Nightmare and the 3 DLCs for The original Borderlands Zombie Island, Mad Moxxis Underdome, & Secret Armory) 

Big DLCs like that, or SW & Hamlet (completely finished products) that’s the kind of DLC I’d buy.

I only use Minecraft as a reference- Because when you buy a DLC for Minecraft, it changes the way Minecraft works.. Like for example: If you buy the TMNT DLC, it’ll play more like Revenge of Shredder, then it will Minecraft.. you’ll use super moves, that games iconic villain types will attack you with special abilities etc.. I don’t mind paying 10$ for THOSE type of game changing DLCs..

and yes, Just like in Solo DS if you own SW/Ham you can play as SW/Ham characters in the base game & Vice Versa.

I personally would like to play as Wurt in a Hamlet city just for the LOL’s of it.. Or Walani in DST cause she’s one of my favorite DS characters (second only to Wendy)

8 minutes ago, Copyafriend said:

man you go on the most random tangents to prove your point sometimes.

Yeah sometimes I'll play older games, even when "new games" exist. Dark souls 2 is my favorite of the series, and i'll play it even if elden ring exists. I have plenty of nostalgia for them. however almost no one going back to play solo will be buying it, as they probably already own it. thus this entire point is kind of moot. Secondly the games are SO similar it's already kind of iffy to buy solo once you get together. the DLC are the only parts really worthwhile.

it's not darksouls vs dark souls 2 or asylum versus city. it's dont starve 1.0 vs 2.0. the only benefit 1.0 has is unique dlc maps.

People who play together have plenty of completely new content in solo atm, it's not really an "older version" as it has different content. Reign of giants? a complete 100% downgrade. the characters being pre-rework is more likely than not seen as a complete downside than a "hey at least it's different" like you think they will see it.

if we add hamlet and shipwrecked as a direct port than a lot of players will then see solo as a complete downgrade from together, not as a side grade like it currently is. therefore, it's generally a bad idea. Though I'd love some "shipwrecked lite" or "hamlet lite" content, like a single island dedicated to the pig town, or dolphins or something from hamlet.

finally, throughout this entire discussion you have shown a complete and total lack of understanding for how the game and its shards work. you can't just add 3 shards to the game and expect it to just work, thats more than double the current workload on computers, and there IS an upper limit. heck even when they just added the oceans they talked a lot about technical limitations and difficulty involving it.

You can't just say "Go bigger, why not" it just doesn't always work.

You equally missed my point.. you are NEVER running more than 2 shards at once, EVER.. You can launch the game in a Shipwrecked world, a Hamlet world or DST World, but once it’s launched… unless EVERYONE in the entire multiplayer server travels to the other DLC with You (again I’ll use Dead Island 2’s “Huddle Up” Mechanic as my example) All go, or No one goes 

(this is only assuming you want the function of “world hopping” between the DLCs.)

If you can live Without wanting to hop between DLCs then Prior to launching your Game World for the first time (during the part where you toggle what gameplay  mechanics you want on/off or more/less/none for mob spawns) you can Choose to generate that world as “Together” what we have NOW.. “Shipwrecked” or “Hamlet”.

The game will then generate your world (and all the gameplay involved with it..) based on which “Version” of the game you picked to play.

In fact I’ll do you one better than that- maybe Klei can host some Klei Official/Dedicated servers that are running Shipwrecked or Hamlet. (And all the gameplay mechanics and rules those come with.. that separate from current DST)

We could EVEN extend these servers to run Gorge/Forge if you want to really start day dreaming about the perfect DST game…

[Ulisesvolador]

9 hours ago, ALCRD said:

Minecraft Bedrock has only paid "mods"

Wrong, you can look in CurseForge and other sites for free (and better) addons if you play on PC.

[ALCRD]

20 minutes ago, Ulisesvolador said:

Wrong, you can look in CurseForge and other sites for free (and better) addons if you play on PC.

Yes you can but on Java.

Bedrock can't use Forge framework mods or any serious free mods available requiring similar frameworks.

They sell their little "addons" instead on Bedrock which are inferior to what can be done with Java Forge mods.

(and so are the so called "free and better" addons you mentioned)

All the good/advanced stuff actually requires Forge.

[Ulisesvolador]

25 minutes ago, ALCRD said:

Yes you can but on Java.

Bedrock can't use Forge framework mods or any serious free mods available requiring similar frameworks.

I said Curseforge (The Mods Page) not Forge (The API and mod loader)

I know bedrock can't use Fabric, Forge and any Java modloader.

You can look in Curseforge and other sites for minecraft bedrock addons.

27 minutes ago, ALCRD said:

All the good/advanced stuff actually requires Forge.

I'd argue Fabric is better and the reason of MCPE addons being "inferior" to MCJava mods is the lack of interest in the community.

 

 

But yea we're going offtopic now, so I agree with Mike's proposal of only the host needs the DLC. 

[Nnumber3]

5 hours ago, Mike23Ua said:

Oh no you simply misunderstand me- a huge entire game world changing dlc the same size and scope of Shipwrecked & Hamlet would be what I’d spend 10$ on, I’m not paying 10$ for Lunar Island, 10$ for Moon Quay, 10$ for Wild Rifts… lol Klei done went EA Greedy if we ever went that route…

But a big DLC I can really sink my teeth into (to me some of the best examples of good DLCs are Red Dead Undead Nightmare and the 3 DLCs for The original Borderlands Zombie Island, Mad Moxxis Underdome, & Secret Armory) 

Big DLCs like that, or SW & Hamlet (completely finished products) that’s the kind of DLC I’d buy.

I only use Minecraft as a reference- Because when you buy a DLC for Minecraft, it changes the way Minecraft works.. Like for example: If you buy the TMNT DLC, it’ll play more like Revenge of Shredder, then it will Minecraft.. you’ll use super moves, that games iconic villain types will attack you with special abilities etc.. I don’t mind paying 10$ for THOSE type of game changing DLCs..

and yes, Just like in Solo DS if you own SW/Ham you can play as SW/Ham characters in the base game & Vice Versa.

I personally would like to play as Wurt in a Hamlet city just for the LOL’s of it.. Or Walani in DST cause she’s one of my favorite DS characters (second only to Wendy)

You equally missed my point.. you are NEVER running more than 2 shards at once, EVER.. You can launch the game in a Shipwrecked world, a Hamlet world or DST World, but once it’s launched… unless EVERYONE in the entire multiplayer server travels to the other DLC with You (again I’ll use Dead Island 2’s “Huddle Up” Mechanic as my example) All go, or No one goes 

(this is only assuming you want the function of “world hopping” between the DLCs.)

If you can live Without wanting to hop between DLCs then Prior to launching your Game World for the first time (during the part where you toggle what gameplay  mechanics you want on/off or more/less/none for mob spawns) you can Choose to generate that world as “Together” what we have NOW.. “Shipwrecked” or “Hamlet”.

The game will then generate your world (and all the gameplay involved with it..) based on which “Version” of the game you picked to play.

In fact I’ll do you one better than that- maybe Klei can host some Klei Official/Dedicated servers that are running Shipwrecked or Hamlet. (And all the gameplay mechanics and rules those come with.. that separate from current DST)

We could EVEN extend these servers to run Gorge/Forge if you want to really start day dreaming about the perfect DST game…

but if you wanted to pay 10$ for a dlc for dst, that would cause war here as it would separate the player base as 

A: only host needs dlc, but since your on Xbox you can only play on random people servers, so you can't fully enjoy it unless you pay up, and pc you won't be able to play at your own pace as when you leave people will move along without you. (dedicated)

B: all people joining need the dlc, which as i said, cause war and make the game 25$ for all the content

C: its free and solo shipwrecked and hamlet sales go down so hard and is not very cash money of them, as their a business

I would love forge and gorge to be in the game again as i missed it and only experienced it thru mods.

Hopping worlds sound horrible as if x people are in hamlet, and x people in the overworld, and they want to go to shipwrecked, do all people in a world have to agree to go there, almost always destroying some guys plan on 1 side or the other, following your idea. also, cave clefts, and ruins may need separate shards, also sinkholes need them too, so that's a lot of shards to only use 2 at a time when there can be 12 people in a server on pc or 6 people on xbox.

with the versions, it sounds okay but we are at the dlc dilemma again. and you would still lose ROG plus caves, or delete ROG but keep caves. and a bunch of content would be cut from whenever options you picked.

hope i did not miss anything!

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btw, im still curious, do you only like Walani for nostalgia? from the suggestions sub forum

 

 

[Mike23Ua]

37 minutes ago, Nnumber3 said:

but if you wanted to pay 10$ for a dlc for dst, that would cause war here as it would separate the player base as 

A: only host needs dlc, but since your on Xbox you can only play on random people servers, so you can't fully enjoy it unless you pay up, and pc you won't be able to play at your own pace as when you leave people will move along without you. (dedicated)

B: all people joining need the dlc, which as i said, cause war and make the game 25$ for all the content

C: its free and solo shipwrecked and hamlet sales go down so hard and is not very cash money of them, as their a business

I would love forge and gorge to be in the game again as i missed it and only experienced it thru mods.

Hopping worlds sound horrible as if x people are in hamlet, and x people in the overworld, and they want to go to shipwrecked, do all people in a world have to agree to go there, almost always destroying some guys plan on 1 side or the other, following your idea. also, cave clefts, and ruins may need separate shards, also sinkholes need them too, so that's a lot of shards to only use 2 at a time when there can be 12 people in a server on pc or 6 people on xbox.

with the versions, it sounds okay but we are at the dlc dilemma again. and you would still lose ROG plus caves, or delete ROG but keep caves. and a bunch of content would be cut from whenever options you picked.

hope i did not miss anything!

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btw, im still curious, do you only like Walani for nostalgia? from the suggestions sub forum

 

 

#1- I don’t understand why people keep claiming the sales of solo DS would go down.. especially when people keep talking about how wonderful PC DST is that let them play mods like Island Adventures that lets them technically play Shipwrecked DLC in DST but for FREE.

#2- DS goes on sale often on Xbox Live for just 3$ & now come with Shipwrecked included when buying the game, in fact: Over on Nintendo Consoles the game ONLY shipped with SW included, you can’t buy it separate from base DS.

But this isn’t the FIRST Time Klei has done this, PC Players & PlayStation Players had to pay for Reign of Giants as a Paid DLC expansion, but when the game came to Xbox.. Reign of Giants was added as a Base part of the game.

RoG is included in DST as well. (That’s why there’s a world Gen preset titled no giants here..) the PROBLEM with that is that Klei has been designing any and all future content around needing to fight or interact with these “Giants” that under certain world presets.. don’t even spawn.

#3- Hamlet is now the only DLC that’s sold separate from just buying DS, I’m not sure if it’s set up this way on PC or not.. but Hamlet only cost 6$

#4- I bought the TMNT dlc for Minecraft the day it came out, and was able to invite in my dad, my sister, and my two best friends without needing to spend a whopping 50$ between us to get everyone in to play it… So the Minecraft method DOES WORK and more importantly it’s quite ingenious actually..

My friend can buy say “SpongeBob” and if I join and end up liking it I can buy my own  so I don’t have to rely on them to host it, I guess you can call it a “Try before you Buy” someone else buys it but you can join them if they host it.

#5- I like Walani because of her instrumental sounds, in game quotes, and having a re-deployable boat that can be picked up, carried with me on land and then planted back down into another body of water, I also think there’s ALOT of skins in DST that would look quite cute on Walani (such as this one..) I believe this is a Walter skin??? I don’t remember.. I just know Skins & Friends make me prefer to play DST over DS

Fun Fact- I actually discovered how to cure the Sneezing Effect in Hamlet from a Quote WALANI had examining a certain item.

Also people need to stop expecting characters to be overly useful… like seriously, people play as WES just cause he has a TON of Cool Skins, but they pick him completely oblivious to the fact that he’s intentionally the worst character pick in the Entire Game.

[Dextops]

45 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

Also people need to stop expecting characters to be overly useful…

i think people are more focused on characters being well designed (something walani doesn't achieve)

[Nnumber3]

On 8/15/2023 at 7:23 PM, Mike23Ua said:

#1- I don’t understand why people keep claiming the sales of solo DS would go down.. especially when people keep talking about how wonderful PC DST is that let them play mods like Island Adventures that lets them technically play Shipwrecked DLC in DST but for FREE.

 

 

Lets Pull up the Steam Charts! Comparison - Steam Charts

 here's a year comparing the 2 for steam! oh, oh no... don't starve is in the low 4000 to 3000 of concurrent players range, pretty much flat line BEST hit 5746

Dst on the other hand, bit more up and down but FAR more players, stays around 50000 to 63000. best is 114109, a VERY large difference. 

We do not have the stats for the specific DLC's so im factoring it this chart.

We also do not have any console stats ether so steam it is, it's the main platform anyway.

With mods like island adventures, it does not COMPLETELY 1 to 1 recreate shipwrecked, as that's not allowed by kei, there are some pretty big differences i have heard, like no tides.

So if we factor in how more popular Dst is to DS, and the dlc's are in this chart, if we remove 2/3 of Dt exclusive content, I won't be surprised if the player count lowers to an even  LOWER number, as most people who have DS have DST, shown by the amount of people playing DST to DT, and mega sales.

So via the DATA, it is most likely adding dlc's to dst would heavily lower how many players play DS, as the exclusive content would be gone to attract them to the older, less popular game.

On 8/15/2023 at 7:23 PM, Mike23Ua said:

 

#2- DS goes on sale often on Xbox Live for just 3$ & now come with Shipwrecked included when buying the game, in fact: Over on Nintendo Consoles the game ONLY shipped with SW included, you can’t buy it separate from base DS.

 

yes, it does go on sale a lot, but also goes on sale for PC to, it can cost 10$ or 2.50$. Shipwrecked can cost 5$ to 2.50$, same as ROG. while Hamlet can cost 7$ to4.19$

the console market is definitely the minority compared to steam PC. and as theres no Console sales or concurrent player charts, there is not much i can say.

But it costs MORE, as it COMBINES the costs of DLC, so its the same price as PC. wait...

you have to pay for xbox live right? so for a year it costs 36$, meaning consoles pay MORE then pc players, at least for your system. 

anyway, lets go back to your reasons.

On 8/15/2023 at 7:23 PM, Mike23Ua said:

 

#3- Hamlet is now the only DLC that’s sold separate from just buying DS, I’m not sure if it’s set up this way on PC or not.. but Hamlet only cost 6$

 

 

that's true to an extent, but it's still the SAME price, just dlcs included, so switch version is 20$ because of it, not Nintendo tax as I thought at first glance.(no hamlet)

on PC you can buy them all separately, but you can buy the bundle for base game and all 3 dlc's for the same price as adding all 3 dlc's to the base game

10+5+5+7=27$

On 8/15/2023 at 7:23 PM, Mike23Ua said:

#4- I bought the TMNT dlc for Minecraft the day it came out, and was able to invite in my dad, my sister, and my two best friends without needing to spend a whopping 50$ between us to get everyone in to play it… So the Minecraft method DOES WORK and more importantly it’s quite ingenious actually..

thats minecraft, a  very different game with very different players, and thats why the dst sells mutiple copys at a time, for that reason. and the system is HORRIBLE as people have already said here. DST can add Shipwrecked and hamlet from DS, so you add 2 purchasable DLC's. BUT unlike minecraft, there are 100's of small, adventure maps that give a bit of entertainment that DON"T gatekeep HUGE UPDATES behind paywalls, while the DLC's are HUGE, change the game so much that you are missing 2/3 of the WHOLE games content if they added it, gating so much of the game by a paywall. and as i said, you would want to be able to make your own game to play and you have to relay on hosted games, even more DEVESTATING TO CONSOLES and there are no official servers on them. and if they add official servers with the dlc's it would be like dangling keys over someone to make them want to buy the dlc. 

for example, you want to play with a random person who has the hamlet dlc, and you play that. after a while he is done playing but you want to keep playing. when he leaves you can't play the Dlc anymore, as if normally if you still want to play you can by making your own plain ROG game, buy you don't have the dlc, so you have to wait for him to rehost, (not likey) or find another game which you may not find.  also, i want to just have a game you can RELIBILY PLAY by yourself when no friends are online without PAYING A GAME I ALREADY PAYED FOR AFTER A UPDATE.

i can see if they added this at the START, when the game released and upped the price a bit, it would be a lot better, but unfortunately, that can't happen as the dlc's came after dst released

On 8/15/2023 at 7:23 PM, Mike23Ua said:

#5- I like Walani because of her instrumental sounds, in game quotes, and having a re-deployable boat that can be picked up, carried with me on land and then planted back down into another body of water, I also think there’s ALOT of skins in DST that would look quite cute on Walani (such as this one..) I believe this is a Walter skin??? I don’t remember.. I just know Skins & Friends make me prefer to play DST over DS

You can like some 1's voice or quotes, but the re-deployable boat is NOT UNIQUE.

as this boat exists in hamlet.  also docks exist or go around, there not long for rivers.

                 

has 20 less durability.

i think skins could be cool, but i think a better idea would be to add skins to DS then add her in to DST

On 8/15/2023 at 7:23 PM, Mike23Ua said:

Fun Fact- I actually discovered how to cure the Sneezing Effect in Hamlet from a Quote WALANI had examining a certain item

ohh how do I break it to you?

almost every character says that

Nettle | Don't Starve Wiki | Fandom

Gas Mask | Don't Starve Wiki | Fandom

On 8/15/2023 at 7:23 PM, Mike23Ua said:

Also people need to stop expecting characters to be overly useful… like seriously, people play as WES just cause he has a TON of Cool Skins, but they pick him completely oblivious to the fact that he’s intentionally the worst character pick in the Entire Game

She is a Objectively bad designed character as I have said in the suggestion thread that I won't say again here., but we do not need 2 purposeful bad characters, and also you're admitting she is bad, but you still want her? also wes is funny mime and did it first (we don't talk about wilbur)

Hope i got everything, be editing it a bit prob as its a very long post

[Uedo]

21 minutes ago, Nnumber3 said:

Lets Pull up the Steam Charts! Comparison - Steam Charts

 here's a year comparing the 2 for steam! oh, oh no... don't starve is in the low 4000 to 3000 of concurrent players range, pretty much flat line BEST hit 5746

Dst on the other hand, bit more up and down but FAR more players, stays around 50000 to 63000. best is 114109, a VERY large difference. 

We do not have the stats for the specific DLC's so im factoring it this chart.

We also do not have any console stats ether so steam it is, it's the main platform anyway.

With mods like island adventures, it does not COMPLETELY 1 to 1 recreate shipwrecked, as that's not allowed by kei, there are some pretty big differences i have heard, like no tides.

So if we factor in how more popular Dst is to DS, and the dlc's are in this chart, if we remove 2/3 of Dt exclusive content, I won't be surprised if the player count lowers to an even  LOWER number, as most people who have DS have DST, shown by the amount of people playing DST to DT, and mega sales.

So via the DATA, it is most likely adding dlc's to dst would heavily lower how many players play DS, as the exclusive content would be gone to attract them to the older, less popular game.

yes, it does go on sale a lot, but also goes on sale for PC to, it can cost 10$ or 2.50$. Shipwrecked can cost 5$ to 2.50$, same as ROG. while Hamlet can cost 7$ to4.19$

the console market is definitely the minority compared to steam PC. and as theres no Console sales or concurrent player charts, there is not much i can say.

But it costs MORE, as it COMBINES the costs of DLC, so its the same price as PC. wait...

you have to pay for xbox live right? so for a year it costs 36$, meaning consoles pay MORE then pc players, at least for your system. 

anyway, lets go back to your reasons.

 

that's true to an extent, but it's still the SAME price, just dlcs included, so switch version is 20$ because of it, not Nintendo tax as I thought at first glance.

on PC you can buy them all separately, but you can buy the bundle for base game and all 3 dlc's for the same price as adding all 3 dlc's to the base game

10+5+5+7=27$

thats minecraft, a  very different game with very different players, and thats why the game sells mutiple copys at a time, for that reason. and the system is HORRIBLE as people have already said here. DST can add Shipwrecked and hamlet from DS, so you add 2 purchasable DLC's. BUT unlike minecraft, there are 100's of small, adventure maps that give a bit of entertainment that DON"T gatekeep HUGE UPDATES behind paywalls, while the DLC's are HUGE, change the game so much that you are missing 2/3 of the WHOLE games content if they added it, gating so much of the game by a paywall. and as i said, you would want to be able to make your own game to play and you have to relay on hosted games, even more DEVESTATING TO CONSOLES and there are no official servers on them. and if they add official servers with the dlc's it would be like dangling keys over someone to make them want to buy the dlc. 

for example, you want to play with a random person who has the hamlet dlc, and you play that. after a while he is done playing but you want to keep playing. when he leaves he can't play the Dlc anymore, as if normally if you still want to play you can by making your own plain ROG game, buy you don't have the dlc, so you have to wait for him to rehost, (not likey) or find another game which you may not find.  also, i want to just have a game you can RELIBILY PLAY by yourself when no friends are online without PAYING A GAME I ALREADY PAYED FOR AFTER A UPDATE.

i can see if they added this at the START, when the game released and upped the price a bit, it would be a lot better, but unfortunately, that can't happen as the dlc's came after dst released

You can like some 1's voice or quotes, but the re-deployable boat is NOT UNIQUE.

as this boat exists in hamlet.  also docks exist or go around, there not long for rivers.

                 

has 20 less durability.

i think skins could be cool, but i think a better idea would be to add skins to DS then add her in to DST

ohh how do I break it to you?

almost every character says that

Nettle | Don't Starve Wiki | Fandom

Gas Mask | Don't Starve Wiki | Fandom

She is a Objectively bad designed character as I have said in the suggestion thread that I won't say again here., but we do not need 2 purposeful characters, and also you're admitting she is bad, but you still want her? also wes is funny mime and did it first (we don't talk about wilbur)

Hope i got everything, be editing it a bit prob as its a very long post

Very nice post, Mike won't agree with you - But yeah, pretty rational arguments.

[Dr.Webber]

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