skill tree idea Edited 08-02-2024 Webber skill tree suggestions also Klei I don’t care about credit add or take inspiration from any of my suggestions as you please all I ask is you take them into consideration+Fan ideas welcome(great place to use to make everyone happy)

[Dr.Webber]

@Creatingabe1125 not including the alignments, how many skills are we going for again?

[Creatingabe1125]

On 10/1/2024 at 8:02 PM, Dr.Webber said:

I just found something finally it so Weber can catch hostile insect with his beard and feed them to spiders as power up
For example:

mosquitoes could give spiders a regeneration effect similar to wurt’s bloodshot

Assuming a bug hobby confirmed to be related with Webber and there’s good reason to make it a skill in the game then maybe with a net then hands like wurst with mosquitos. and what about other bugs? And it would make more sense to use nurse spiders or healing glop than bugs for healing.

On 10/6/2024 at 5:42 PM, Dr.Webber said:

 

@Creatingabe1125
i’ve been thinking of possibly making all three items effects more relevant to spiders rather than just a life-giving amulet 

Probably something to do with upgrade versions of the spider types would be like the warrior spawn stand in

probably something using the bee queen crown that flips the sanity auras of spiders ankle or some buffs as the spider queen stand in

any ideas?

Also do you think I should make it so these things affect Weber too in somewhere like maybe being able to use these homemade den things as the and meat effigies and maybe something for the other two

Also, do you think I should make the baby spiders killable but with a respawn mechanic

At least keep it simple and just one ability not something that requires multiple parts just one ability. But if your going to add more items to the den I would keep it at 3-5 items. I don’t think the abilities need to be really special or unique just something that helps and makes them work a bit better.

Also for what I said about “Assuming a bug hobby confirmed to be related with Webber and there’s good reason to make it a skill in the game”

From what I’m aware I don’t think it’s confirmed that Webber is a person who likes bugs as like a hobby and unless you can find proof that he like collecting bugs then I don’t think it makes sense to make a skill about it. And are bugs a good part of Webber’s personality or interests that it makes sense to make a lore related skill about it for him.

On 10/13/2024 at 6:46 PM, Dr.Webber said:

@Creatingabe1125 not including the alignments, how many skills are we going for again?

In total there should be no more than 30 skills but not including alignments the range would be like between 18-25 or another similar range.

Edited October 15, 2024 by Creatingabe1125

[Dr.Webber]

1 hour ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

In total there should be no more than 30 skills but not including alignments the range would be like between 18-25 or another similar range.

Ok

1 hour ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Assuming a bug hobby confirmed to be related with Webber and there’s good reason to make it a skill in the game then maybe with a net then hands like wurst with mosquitos. and what about other bugs? And it would make more sense to use nurse spiders or healing glop than bugs for healing.

At least keep it simple and just one ability not something that requires multiple parts just one ability. But if your going to add more items to the den I would keep it at 3-5 items. I don’t think the abilities need to be really special or unique just something that helps and makes them work a bit better.

Also for what I said about “Assuming a bug hobby confirmed to be related with Webber and there’s good reason to make it a skill in the game”

From what I’m aware I don’t think it’s confirmed that Webber is a person who likes bugs as like a hobby and unless you can find proof that he like collecting bugs then I don’t think it makes sense to make a skill about it. And are bugs a good part of Webber’s personality or interests that it makes sense to make a lore related skill about it for him.

 

I was thinking, the bug ability would be more way to tie in the farming aspect of the character to the choose his current gameplay because I was thinking using fruit flies on my actually limited to only fruit flies, but I have a thought of anything For an ability that they would give you other than making mobs bit by spiders under the effect

going to panic mode (because fruit flies stress plants out) but that doesn’t seem like a very interesting ability to give them so I’m figuring it out

Also, I was thinking of going back on the monster milk idea and just have electric milk turn each special spider type intern upgrade version of that type and calling the  skill  milk and cookies

also, I was thinking about replacing the thulsite crown and bat bat abilities with something more related to spiders for example, I already decided on a replacement for the thulsite crown having the bee queen crown heaven, the spiders at spawn from that homemade den produces a positive sanity aura equal to the negative thing the aura that  spider type usually has on non-Webber characters

also, do you think I should replace the life-giving amulet with the dread stone beefalo bell?

also glad to see you back for a while there I thought you died on me

Also adding another structure to the carecrafts any ideas? I was thinking maybe something where Weber could make spider glands without harming spiders.

Also, do you know the separate respawn timer for bonus spiders, 

Do you know of anything made out of silk that helps you space out plants in your garden I was thinking of adding that to silk crafts and have it be something that characters can use but they get it from Webber

Edited October 15, 2024 by Dr.Webber

[Creatingabe1125]

On 10/15/2024 at 3:50 PM, Dr.Webber said:

also, I was thinking about replacing the thulsite crown and bat bat abilities with something more related to spiders for example, I already decided on a replacement for the thulsite crown having the bee queen crown heaven, the spiders at spawn from that homemade den produces a positive sanity aura equal to the negative thing the aura that  spider type usually has on non-Webber characters

also, do you think I should replace the life-giving amulet with the dread stone beefalo bell

I don’t think all the abilities should be locked behind a boss but if you were to go with a bee queen crown it should probably be better than a sanity gain if your using up a bee queen crown for an ability. Also what’s the problem with the current items, They may not be spidery but not all the items will be.

On 10/15/2024 at 3:50 PM, Dr.Webber said:

Also, do you know the separate respawn timer for bonus spiders,

I don’t but you could probably find that on a don’t starve together wiki.

On 10/15/2024 at 3:50 PM, Dr.Webber said:

Also adding another structure to the carecrafts any ideas? I was thinking maybe something where Weber could make spider glands without harming spiders.

 

How many are there right now? And I have an idea with making a spider decoration station where a spider randomly gets a set of decorations. Maybe not useful game wise but it could make some Webber people happy to customize their spiders and the character Webber happy.

On 10/15/2024 at 3:50 PM, Dr.Webber said:

Do you know of anything made out of silk that helps you space out plants in your garden I was thinking of adding that to silk crafts and have it be something that characters can use but they get it from Webber

No.

On 10/15/2024 at 3:50 PM, Dr.Webber said:

Also, I was thinking of going back on the monster milk idea and just have electric milk turn each special spider type intern upgrade version of that type and calling the  skill  milk and cookies

Actually what if you use milk instead to make more advanced baking recipes with stuff like butter, silk, monster meat, eggs, etc for spider baking?

On 10/15/2024 at 3:50 PM, Dr.Webber said:

I was thinking, the bug ability would be more way to tie in the farming aspect of the character to the choose his current gameplay because I was thinking using fruit flies on my actually limited to only fruit flies, but I have a thought of anything For an ability that they would give you other than making mobs bit by spiders under the effect

going to panic mode (because fruit flies stress plants out) but that doesn’t seem like a very interesting ability to give them so I’m figuring it out

An idea of mine for bugs is to domesticate bugs like animals and farm them and then come up with uses with them but I am not so sure about bug skills as I don’t think Webber has an interest in bugs to make skills about it nor does it make much sense in the game.

Edited October 16, 2024 by Creatingabe1125

[Dr.Webber]

5 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

I don’t think all the abilities should be locked behind a boss but if you were to go with a bee queen crown it should probably be better than a sanity gain if your using up a bee queen crown for an ability. Also what’s the problem with the current items, They may not be spidery but not all the items will be.

It just doesn’t seem fitting + plus the abilities other then revival were kinda nothing burgers 

what were you thinking I could add to it maybe something that makes Webber more of a queen equivalent

5 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

I don’t but you could probably find that on a don’t starve together wiki.

It doesn’t specify 

 

5 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

How many are there right now? And I have an idea with making a spider decoration station where a spider randomly gets a set of decorations. Maybe not useful game wise but it could make some Webber people happy to customize their spiders and the character Webber happy.

2 I added a silk spindle structure that spiders can put silk on to

so like the grooming station 

5 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Actually what if you use milk instead to make more advanced baking recipes with stuff like butter, silk, monster meat, eggs, etc for spider baking?

What sort of stuff did you have in mind to make?

 

5 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

An idea of mine for bugs is to domesticate bugs like animals and farm them and then come up with uses with them but I am not so sure about bug skills as I don’t think Webber has an interest in bugs to make skills about it nor does it make much sense in the game

It’s more high, the farming aspect into the game, since farming gives the supply of fruit flies also again I suppose maybe using crops that you  in your spider baking idea could be a better way to tie it in Or if you’re OK with just having the skill for farming Without some being more tied in, I could go that route to

[Creatingabe1125]

14 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

It doesn’t specify

Oh. I know there are multiple dst wikis but if you checked them all already then idk how you’ll find that out.

14 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

2 I added a silk spindle structure that spiders can put silk on to

so like the grooming station

As armor I assume. Yeah but quicker and random decorations.

14 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

What sort of stuff did you have in mind to make?

 

Well with more ingredients maybe silk cakes or webbed ice cream or other things that make sense. Not sure how to incorporate veggies or fruits into it though.

14 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

It’s more high, the farming aspect into the game, since farming gives the supply of fruit flies also again I suppose maybe using crops that you  in your spider baking idea could be a better way to tie it in Or if you’re OK with just having the skill for farming Without some being more tied in, I could go that route to

Though Webber and fruit flies aren’t really related or any bug except spiders if you consider them bugs. So are you still doing bugs or not with spider baking?

14 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

It just doesn’t seem fitting + plus the abilities other then revival were kinda nothing burgers 

what were you thinking I could add to it maybe something that makes Webber more of a queen equivalent

What items that aren’t boss items would you suggest are “fitting”. Then do you have any other abilities that are better than those?

No but for fighting a boss and giving up that boss loot for spiders it feels like it should be better than a sanity drain. And there should definitely be some non boss items.

[Dr.Webber]

4 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Oh. I know there are multiple dst wikis but if you checked them all already then idk how you’ll find that out

I only know of two

 

4 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

As armor I assume. Yeah but quicker and random decorations

It’s a way to form himself, but I’m curious how were you thinking that would work?

What would those decorations be?

4 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Well with more ingredients maybe silk cakes or webbed ice cream or other things that make sense. Not sure how to incorporate veggies or fruits into it though.

What would these Silk cakes and webbed ice cream do

 

4 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Though Webber and fruit flies aren’t really related or any bug except spiders if you consider them bugs. So are you still doing bugs or not with spider baking?

yeah, but spiders eat flies in real life

I haven’t decided yet

4 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

What items that aren’t boss items would you suggest are “fitting”. Then do you have any other abilities that are better than those?

 

It’s not really about the items. It’s about the abilities and sinking we figure out what items for the ability after we figure out what abilities are more for the den.

 

4 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

No but for fighting a boss and giving up that boss loot for spiders it feels like it should be better than a sanity drain. And there should definitely be some non boss items.

The bee queen crown currently flips the positive and negative sanity auras I feel like giving a positive aura Just something that can be amassed it’s a better use for it 

not all the items will be boss items, the life giving amulet I would assume the other item isn’t going to be a boss item

[Creatingabe1125]

2 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

I only know of two

Oh okay.

2 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

It’s a way to form himself, but I’m curious how were you thinking that would work?

What would those decorations be?

You would use silk on that station to weave silk armor like as effective as grass armor for your spiders and maybe better armor with better resources.

idk exactly but I was thinking either stickers or maybe outfits or spider skins.

2 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

What would these Silk cakes and webbed ice cream do

Idk but either act as better foods for Webber and spiders or give special effects based on the ingredients. And those were just examples.

2 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

yeah, but spiders eat flies in real life

I haven’t decided yet

But do the spiders of the constant eat flies?

2 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

It’s not really about the items. It’s about the abilities and sinking we figure out what items for the ability after we figure out what abilities are more for the den.

Okay. I am trying to think of an ability that helps spiders survive aoe creatures just to help them survive a little longer not to be resistant to it.

2 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

The bee queen crown currently flips the positive and negative sanity auras I feel like giving a positive aura Just something that can be amassed it’s a better use for it 

not all the items will be boss items, the life giving amulet I would assume the other item isn’t going to be a boss item

I don’t think a sanity aura is helpful for spiders as you could just use the crown itself on a boss or very insane thing to gain sanity while you need a lot of spiders and more crowns to get enough spiders with auras assuming all their sanity auras can reach you just to make it work well. And compared to revival this isn’t that good considering it’s a boss loot.

I also came with the idea of spider den building kits for the special dens with 2 different kits. The Elevated Den kit and the Grounded Den kit. Depending where you place it under what big ocean tree, in the caves, or on lunar turf you can make different spider dens similar to building a Merm carpet.

Edited October 18, 2024 by Creatingabe1125

[Dr.Webber]

1 hour ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

idk exactly but I was thinking either stickers or maybe outfits or spider skins.

Maybe but probably not 

 

1 hour ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Idk but either act as better foods for Webber and spiders or give special effects based on the ingredients. And those were just examples.

Probably just going to have the milk make enhanced versions of the special spider types 

 

1 hour ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

But do the spiders of the constant eat flies?

Well the only flies in dst are the fruit flies and they don’t have an item form so no but they probably would

 

1 hour ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

I don’t think a sanity aura is helpful for spiders as you could just use the crown itself on a boss or very insane thing to gain sanity while you need a lot of spiders and more crowns to get enough spiders with auras assuming all their sanity auras can reach you just to make it work well. And compared to revival this isn’t that good considering it’s a boss loot.

What if I just add a red gem the home made den craft and only give it the life giving amulet abilities 

 

1 hour ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

I also came with the idea of spider den building kits for the special dens with 2 different kits. The Elevated Den kit and the Grounded Den kit. Depending where you place it under what big ocean tree, in the caves, or on lunar turf you can make different spider dens similar to building a Merm carpet

I don’t really want to give him the ability to make the different types of dens

[Creatingabe1125]

21 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

I don’t really want to give him the ability to make the different types of dens

Could you explain why? And this idea for nests can only be made where the nest is found like in the caves, under those big ocean trees, or on lunar turf.

21 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

What if I just add a red gem the home made den craft and only give it the life giving amulet abilities 

 

The revival shouldn’t last forever and if it didn’t and you have to add more red gems then why not just add the life giving amulet as a trinket from the beginning. Also I just said why I think just a sanity aura isn’t that great not why have trinkets at all.

21 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

Well the only flies in dst are the fruit flies and they don’t have an item form so no but they probably would

 

first you’re wrong about them being the only flies as you forgot fireflies and second I don’t think the spiders of the constant have ever seen fruit flies and I don’t think Webber shows interest in eating flies at all and probably the same with the constant spiders. Also the constant spiders eat meat not butterfly wings.

21 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

Probably just going to have the milk make enhanced versions of the special spider types 

 

Is there a problem with the spider baking idea? And how would that work?

21 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

Maybe but probably not

More for those who like to have fashion spiders and it would make it even easier to do that though game wise it doesn’t matter but it would be nice for some Webber players who would like to decorate their spiders.

[Dr.Webber]

7 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Could you explain why? And this idea for nests can only be made where the nest is found like in the caves, under those big ocean trees, or on lunar turf

Seems a bit of a nothing burger and the role of providing more of those spiders with relative ease is already taken up by switcher doodles also this next one might be one of the week or point since he can be friend other spiders and have switcher doodles, but spider half is a normal spider and the other den types seem either out of reach For dangling depth dwellers and sea strider unintentional and detrimental for shattered spiders due to their limited amount of spider spawns, and how they look disfigured and their queens looks like they’re in pain and I think he lacks the strength and delicacy to create whatever Inner workings are in a spalagmite 

also, by the way, having them be exclusive to the areas there native to brings the idea down because the the appeal to having them be something you can craft as basically the same as the appeal of being able craft bunny hutches on the surface

7 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

The revival shouldn’t last forever and if it didn’t and you have to add more red gems then why not just add the life giving amulet as a trinket from the beginning. Also I just said why I think just a sanity aura isn’t that great not why have trinkets at all.

Well, we have tickets. It should be fitting too that of a spider den because the homemade den is basically an artificially created den So there should be a way to artificially produce the effects of a den or some variant of it

 

7 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

first you’re wrong about them being the only flies as you forgot fireflies and second I don’t think the spiders of the constant have ever seen fruit flies and I don’t think Webber shows interest in eating flies at all and probably the same with the constant spiders. Also the constant spiders eat meat not butterfly wings.

Fireflies are completely different type of bug. Also, I had no point said that they eat butterfly wings.

 

7 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Is there a problem with the spider baking idea? And how would that work?

I know he can crafts switcher doodles, but it feels like going full out baking for one of his skills is a bit unrelated to his character 

so basically you’d feed any non-normal spider electric milk (ideally right after you feed it a switcher doodle, but I guess it could work on naturally spawning ones too) it gives them a slight stat increase across-the-board  and one new ability and design change base on the Futcher doodle Pacific ingredient for each spider(along with a slight size increase)

examples:

Spider Warriors will take a Become a sort of were-Spider Warrior (well not exactly but you get the idea basically based off of the werepig but it’s not like it’s gonna have a snot or anything)And either the damage increase on top of the across-the-board increases or claw attack ability(in this second scenario The front legs will be beefier Like they have a Werepig claw on their leg)

Dangling depth dwellers Fur will turn black And enemies they attack either will or have a chance to go into panic mode

Shattered spiders will have a teal non-shattered form. They can use their spikes to make farm plots that that will make crops produce more yield

Sea striders can turn magenta like a fig and can bite the ground like a nurse spider for a resource free tree jam use to anything applicable end the range of area of effect

7 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

More for those who like to have fashion spiders and it would make it even easier to do that though game wise it doesn’t matter but it would be nice for some Webber players who would like to decorate their spiders.

Yeah, but I can only think of one thing related to that that I’ve seen that people wanted and that is spider skins for each one of Webber’s skins That’s already been covered by the baby spiders change base on his beard skin

[Creatingabe1125]

3 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

Seems a bit of a nothing burger and the role of providing more of those spiders with relative ease is already taken up by switcher doodles also this next one might be one of the week or point since he can be friend other spiders and have switcher doodles, but spider half is a normal spider and the other den types seem either out of reach For dangling depth dwellers and sea strider unintentional and detrimental for shattered spiders due to their limited amount of spider spawns, and how they look disfigured and their queens looks like they’re in pain and I think he lacks the strength and delicacy to create whatever Inner workings are in a spalagmite 

also, by the way, having them be exclusive to the areas there native to brings the idea down because the the appeal to having them be something you can craft as basically the same as the appeal of being able craft bunny hutches on the surface

What a skill does is either improve on what you can do or let you do something you couldn’t in your area with Webber’s area being spiders so I would disagree about the strength and delicacy. The elevated kit I mentioned would let you build nests up above like at the cave ceiling or up the tree nest by acting like a ladder in theory but just acting like building a pillar or Merm carpet. The switcherdoodles can get you a reasonable amount of spider once or many times if you take good care of them but the nests are like a build once and you get spiders from there always investment.

Also I made them only be placed in certain areas because of how the kits would work, it’s where they naturally live, and because they are more special than bunnymen they should probably not have complete easy access with just making them a bit easier to get unless you live in the caves but then you have to go back up for shattered spiders.

3 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

Well, we have tickets. It should be fitting too that of a spider den because the homemade den is basically an artificially created den So there should be a way to artificially produce the effects of a den or some variant of it

The original idea was to be a place to keep loyal spiders at a home without having to build another thing with the features of using switcherdoodles slightly more efficiently at the den and revival for less worry on making more switcher doodles.

4 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

Fireflies are completely different type of bug. Also, I had no point said that they eat butterfly wings.

 

Still a bug but okay. I forgot to say I meant that as a comparison but I would say if the spiders of the constant don’t eat butterflies why would they eat fruit flies?

4 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

I know he can crafts switcher doodles, but it feels like going full out baking for one of his skills is a bit unrelated to his character 

so basically you’d feed any non-normal spider electric milk (ideally right after you feed it a switcher doodle, but I guess it could work on naturally spawning ones too) it gives them a slight stat increase across-the-board  and one new ability and design change base on the Futcher doodle Pacific ingredient for each spider(along with a slight size increase)

He seems to love cookies and ice cream and if his only way is through baking why not? And it’s not going to take half of the skill tree just like 2 or 3 skills learning new baking recipes. And could you explain how monster milk would fit in better?

4 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

Yeah, but I can only think of one thing related to that that I’ve seen that people wanted and that is spider skins for each one of Webber’s skins That’s already been covered by the baby spiders change base on his beard skin

What about the normal spiders then?

[Dr.Webber]

13 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

What a skill does is either improve on what you can do or let you do something you couldn’t in your area with Webber’s area being spiders so I would disagree about the strength and delicacy. The elevated kit I mentioned would let you build nests up above like at the cave ceiling or up the tree nest by acting like a ladder in theory but just acting like building a pillar or Merm carpet. The switcherdoodles can get you a reasonable amount of spider once or many times if you take good care of them but the nests are like a build once and you get spiders from there always investment.

Also I made them only be placed in certain areas because of how the kits would work, it’s where they naturally live, and because they are more special than bunnymen they should probably not have complete easy access with just making them a bit easier to get unless you live in the caves but then you have to go back up for shattered spiders.

There would be no use to having them sides, including the number of naturally spawning versions of the spiders

 

13 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

The original idea was to be a place to keep loyal spiders at a home without having to build another thing with the features of using switcherdoodles slightly more efficiently at the den and revival for less worry on making more switcher doodles.

So

 

13 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Still a bug but okay. I forgot to say I meant that as a comparison but I would say if the spiders of the constant don’t eat butterflies why would they eat fruit flies?

I guess you’re right

 

13 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

He seems to love cookies and ice cream and if his only way is through baking why not? And it’s not going to take half of the skill tree just like 2 or 3 skills learning new baking recipes. And could you explain how monster milk would fit in better?

I was thinking of forgoing the Monster milk idea and just do something with electric milk

 

13 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

What about the normal spiders then?

What about them?

[Creatingabe1125]

10 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

There would be no use to having them sides, including the number of naturally spawning versions of the spiders

 

I don’t understand what you mean by “sides”.

10 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

So

It sounded like you were treating it as an artificial spider nest that spawns spiders. But also are you going with trinkets or without and what will you add instead without trinkets?

10 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

I was thinking of forgoing the Monster milk idea and just do something with electric milk

And what would that something else with electric milk be?

10 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

What about them?

How would you decorate or reskin the normal spiders?

[Dr.Webber]

3 minutes ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

I don’t understand what you mean by “sides”.

I mean to say besides 

 

4 minutes ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

t sounded like you were treating it as an artificial spider nest that spawns spiders. But also are you going with trinkets or without and what will you add instead without trinkets?

Ok,here’s what I was thinking it’s a artificial den that doesn’t produce its own spiders but you can use the trinkets to artificially produce the same or similar processes that of a normal den we already got the life giving amulet for the den’s ability to respawn the spiders for within it but the thulsite crown and bat bat’s abilities aren’t related anything a den can do so I’m trying to come up with abilities more related 

any ideas?

18 minutes ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

nd what would that something else with electric milk be?

Well I currently I’m thinking we do the enhanced spiders thing I mentioned earlier but if you don’t like it we could do something different 

 

21 minutes ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

How would you decorate or reskin the normal spiders?

Well I was thinking only reskining the baby spiders I make it easier with all the different spider types 

Also besides the decoration station do you have any other structure ideas for carcrafts

also any item ideas for silk crafts 

[Dr.Webber]

What if Weber could use the yield from gardening as bait For things the spiders can hunt 

[Dr.Webber]

I just had an idea what I merge a few ideas and use the electric milk as a trinket and in an emergency 4 out of the 8 spiders to spiders to come out the den will be the enhanced versions  out there spider type 

and what another trinket is the friendly fruit fly fruit I haven’t thought out the exact abilities and stats they would have but what if a random normal spider when taken out becomes a false queen 

 

[Creatingabe1125]

On 10/20/2024 at 9:30 AM, Dr.Webber said:

I mean to say besides

Oh okay. And there would be more use for making collecting those spiders more convenient and it’s something you won’t have to make again to get more special spiders unless you break the nest unlike switcher doodles.

On 10/20/2024 at 9:30 AM, Dr.Webber said:

Ok,here’s what I was thinking it’s a artificial den that doesn’t produce its own spiders but you can use the trinkets to artificially produce the same or similar processes that of a normal den we already got the life giving amulet for the den’s ability to respawn the spiders for within it but the thulsite crown and bat bat’s abilities aren’t related anything a den can do so I’m trying to come up with abilities more related 

any ideas?

Those other items were kind of supposed to be similar to the Merm king effects but I don’t care about them that much as there are other ways to improve spiders. I think about the trinket improvement you’re suggesting as how to make it more convenient to use the homemade den as a place to keep special spiders and to keep them more safe.

On 10/20/2024 at 9:30 AM, Dr.Webber said:

Well I currently I’m thinking we do the enhanced spiders thing I mentioned earlier but if you don’t like it we could do something different

I mostly don’t like it as it feels like adding too many abilities and if you group abilities with similar spider types it feels weird atleast to me. Maybe spider baking could make cookie armor for spiders, cake lets you befriend way more spiders with one cake using less monster meat then you would need to get the same amount of spiders and also 150 hunger for Webber, or another treat that gives a small temporary buff to any type of spider with most of them being stat buffs or maybe help deal with a certain effect. But tell me if you have another idea.

On 10/20/2024 at 9:30 AM, Dr.Webber said:

Well I was thinking only reskining the baby spiders I make it easier with all the different spider types 

Also besides the decoration station do you have any other structure ideas for carcrafts

also any item ideas for silk crafts 

I still think normal spiders should still be decorated.

no.

no. 

23 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

What if Weber could use the yield from gardening as bait For things the spiders can hunt 

Can you give an example and explain how this makes it worth investing in farming?

19 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

I just had an idea what I merge a few ideas and use the electric milk as a trinket and in an emergency 4 out of the 8 spiders to spiders to come out the den will be the enhanced versions  out there spider type 

and what another trinket is the friendly fruit fly fruit I haven’t thought out the exact abilities and stats they would have but what if a random normal spider when taken out becomes a false queen 

 

I will respond to this on the next post with the part about the trinkets.

[Dr.Webber]

1 hour ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Oh okay. And there would be more use for making collecting those spiders more convenient and it’s something you won’t have to make again to get more special spiders unless you break the nest unlike switcher doodles.

If you can only place them in the same places they can naturally spawn how is that more convenient 

 

1 hour ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

I think about the trinket improvement you’re suggesting as how to make it more convenient to use the homemade den as a place to keep special spiders and to keep them more safe.

As long as it’s similar  to something  a natural den can do and isn’t a nothing burger It works with me.

 

1 hour ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

I mostly don’t like it as it feels like adding too many abilities and if you group abilities with similar spider types it feels weird atleast to me. Maybe spider baking could make cookie armor for spiders, cake lets you befriend way more spiders with one cake using less monster meat then you would need to get the same amount of spiders and also 150 hunger for Webber, or another treat that gives a small temporary buff to any type of spider with most of them being stat buffs or maybe help deal with a certain effect. But tell me if you have another idea.

Maybe a unique interaction with the unnatural portal  where he can power it with electric milk to open up a pocket that he can put a combination of items (maybe included in garden yield) in and then it will spit out an item:

A variant of that cake you mentioned I made some alterations It would work like a community feeder for spiders, but with limited uses and each variant will be based around the switcher doodle (which at least one of that type would be in the combination)

As well as items that give buffs to spiders made with one healing glop in one or more items really too the buff the resulting item would act like healing glop, but would give that buff to the spiders Within range of the AOE effect

1 hour ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

no.

no.

But could you try to think of something cause I’m struggling. I think I have some sort of creative block 

 

1 hour ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Can you give an example and explain how this makes it worth investing in farming?

I don’t know seemed like it could tie farming into his gameplay sense it would be used as a source of the bait

[Dr.Webber]

5 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

will respond to this on the next post with the part about the trinkets.

I don’t know what that means but ok

[Creatingabe1125]

6 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

If you can only place them in the same places they can naturally spawn how is that more convenient

Would you rather go all the way to a rock or blue Mushtree biome for spiders or have them right next to your cave hole? And you can just bring home lunar turf or grow an ocean tree.

6 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

As long as it’s similar  to something  a natural den can do and isn’t a nothing burger It works with me.

On 10/22/2024 at 1:56 AM, Dr.Webber said:

I just had an idea what I merge a few ideas and use the electric milk as a trinket and in an emergency 4 out of the 8 spiders to spiders to come out the den will be the enhanced versions  out there spider type 

and what another trinket is the friendly fruit fly fruit I haven’t thought out the exact abilities and stats they would have but what if a random normal spider when taken out becomes a false queen 

 

Okay. Is the enhanced spider version the same as the last ones you suggested or different? There can only be 1 fruit in a world at a time so that would need to be figured out with this but also how would the false queen work? Though you would usually just use this for storing spiders then use them for a fight and bring them back.

6 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

Maybe a unique interaction with the unnatural portal  where he can power it with electric milk to open up a pocket that he can put a combination of items (maybe included in garden yield) in and then it will spit out an item:

A variant of that cake you mentioned I made some alterations It would work like a community feeder for spiders, but with limited uses and each variant will be based around the switcher doodle (which at least one of that type would be in the combination)

As well as items that give buffs to spiders made with one healing glop in one or more items really too the buff the resulting item would act like healing glop, but would give that buff to the spiders Within range of the AOE effect

I just thought it as a community feeder in good form with 12 uses and no switcherdoodle effect connect.

i’m a bit confused on what you said but when you say AOE effect I assume you mean resistance to it and I think that would be a different skill.

I am thinking that is entering theory territory and even if Webber is made with unnatural energy that’s all we know and anything more unless confirmed by Klei would be theory and plus moon quay isn’t really related to Webber.

7 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

But could you try to think of something cause I’m struggling. I think I have some sort of creative block

What are the current items you have?

7 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

I don’t know seemed like it could tie farming into his gameplay sense it would be used as a source of the bait

I just had an idea that could work. Make something using crops and other stuff for an item that encourages spiders to eat veggies for a short time and then you can make vegi inspired items for certain effects like healing or resistance or something else but there shouldn’t be too many. You could just do the second idea but the first one might also help webber players consider the farming side at the very least.

[Dr.Webber]

4 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Would you rather go all the way to a rock or blue Mushtree biome for spiders or have them right next to your cave hole? And you can just bring home lunar turf or grow an ocean tree.

Why not just have it so you could bring the turfs up to the surface also like I said earlier the shattered spider hole has a negative effect on them

 

4 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Okay. Is the enhanced spider version the same as the last ones you suggested or different?

Same just with a different percentage

 

4 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

There can only be 1 fruit in a world at a time so that would need to be figured out with this but also how would the false queen work? Though you would usually just use this for storing spiders then use them for a fight and bring them back

 I haven’t figured it out yet it’s just a half baked idea that came into my mind 

 

4 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

I just thought it as a community feeder in good form with 12 uses and no switcherdoodle effect connect.

Maybe I could be random Switcher doodle effects instead or some aspect of the cake would give a related buff

 

4 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

i’m a bit confused on what you said but when you say AOE effect I assume you mean resistance to it and I think that would be a different skill.

Aoe healing effect 

 

4 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

am thinking that is entering theory territory and even if Webber is made with unnatural energy that’s all we know and anything more unless confirmed by Klei would be theory and plus moon quay isn’t really related to Webber.

We know he’s made with unnatural energy I’m not going into theory I’m just trying to expand on what we already got and you would be right if the moon key didn’t give a second instance of unnatural energy to gather data on and we don’t have to use it,  it just makes more sense then making a cake only by hand as well as being the only other know instance of unnatural energy so it lends credence to the idea that it would make sense for there to be a unique interaction between the two 

 

4 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

What are the current items you have?

Care crafts :

homemade den

silk spindle

silk crafts:

silk slime 

4 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

I just had an idea that could work. Make something using crops and other stuff for an item that encourages spiders to eat veggies for a short time and then you can make vegi inspired items for certain effects like healing or resistance or something else but there shouldn’t be too many. You could just do the second idea but the first one might also help webber players consider the farming side at the very least

I’m pretty sure constant spiders are carnivores but with a few that could be a great idea

 Maybe we could combine them to make leafy meats 

or maybe they could be mixed with healing glop to make the buff items( I think this one the best)

Edited October 23, 2024 by Dr.Webber

[Dr.Webber]

 

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Edited October 23, 2024 by Dr.Webber

[Creatingabe1125]

4 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

I’m pretty sure constant spiders are carnivores but with a few that could be a great idea

 Maybe we could combine them to make leafy meats 

or maybe they could be mixed with healing glop to make the buff items( I think this one the best)

the item I suggested would temporarily make them like vegetables and be able to eat them.

What are you combining that with?

not all of them would be healing though.

4 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

Why not just have it so you could bring the turfs up to the surface also like I said earlier the shattered spider hole has a negative effect on them

the caves are their natural environment and while the cave spider den could be brought up the depth dweller’s only other spot at the surface would be at those ocean trees unless you make it on the floor. And what do you mean by negative effect exactly?

4 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

I haven’t figured it out yet it’s just a half baked idea that came into my mind

Okay.

4 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

We know he’s made with unnatural energy I’m not going into theory I’m just trying to expand on what we already got and you would be right if the moon key didn’t give a second instance of unnatural energy to gather data on and we don’t have to use it,  it just makes more sense then making a cake only by hand as well as being the only other know instance of unnatural energy so it lends credence to the idea that it would make sense for there to be a unique interaction between the two 

 

What part about his lore confirms or gives good reason to think he can use this unnatural energy? Though what part about making cake by hand makes less sense then what you suggested?

4 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

Maybe I could be random Switcher doodle effects instead or some aspect of the cake would give a related buff

 

The cake wasn’t meant to have special effects but what would they be?

4 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

Care crafts :

homemade den

silk spindle

silk crafts:

silk slime 

What would the silk slime and spindle do? The spindle wrapped spiders in silk I think but idk what that does and haven’t heard of the silk slime. What if Webber made a silk patch costing 4 silk and 1 twig that acts like Winona’s duct tape. You could also use 16 silk, 2 gold, and 2 bunny puffs to make a long royal silk robe that slows you down but grants you warmth and sanity. The robe was somewhat of a silly idea but still an idea to use up extra silk.

4 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

Aoe healing effect 

I originally didn’t think about it like AOE healing but you could make bagel splubombs for AOE healing.

4 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

Same just with a different percentage

 

Okay, that feels like a weird way to get the enhanced forms of those spiders though. But also I don’t really like the enhanced spiders. But what if there was one or two abilities with a slightly different form of it with each of the spider types.

For example if the ability was to dodge normal spiders could jump, leaping spiders could leap backwards, sea striders on water could hide in the water quickly, shattered spiders could make a glass spike to protect them causing small AOE shatter damage, cave spiders could hide in their shell but completely block the hit and quickly come out, and spitters spit while dodging. It’s the best solution I can come up for you wanting abilities for each of the spiders and I not wanting there to be too many atleast rn.

[Dr.Webber]

18 minutes ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

the item I suggested would temporarily make them like vegetables and be able to eat them

It seems a bit to out there 

 

18 minutes ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

not all of them would be healing though.

Who says we can’t administer the buff will using healing glop

 

18 minutes ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

And what do you mean by negative effect exactly?

The den can only produce spiders so many times and then it’s out forever

And if you look at it long enough the shattered spider hole’s spider queen legs twitch