skill tree idea Edited 08-02-2024 Webber skill tree suggestions also Klei I don’t care about credit add or take inspiration from any of my suggestions as you please all I ask is you take them into consideration+Fan ideas welcome(great place to use to make everyone happy)

[dst_lover]

7 minutes ago, Dr.Webber said:

I’m actually doing an overhaul of this skill tree, but the reason I have farm skills is because He lived on a farm his past I wanted to give him some abilities that are tied to the aspect of his character And the reason why they are book skills is because I was trying to make them even so I fill things up with things loosely related to him since his dad was a entomologist but now in the overhaul, I’m only doing a couple farm blade skills and making sure that they tie into his gameplay

This is very nice from you 

you might consider other options for his skill tree because from what I know Webber might learned a lot while he is surviving with the other survivors because from what I know he is close to the other characters like Wickerbottom and Wendy he might learn something from them 

because some characters skill trees are influenced by other characters like from what I know some of Wurt skill trees was influenced by Winona and she help him build some of his structures 

[Dr.Webber]

Any ideas for how I should design the skill icons for these alignments 

 

Alignments:

 

 

shadow infused spiders:

 

The Queen will reward your loyalty with  the ability to Infuse your feral friends with power familiar in form

 

You can infuse spiders by using a new item called shadow silk cluster crafted with 8 ashes, 8 silk,and 1 pure horror 20 second cool down each use when used it would be like casting the web casted by overcoming arachnophobia but grey as well as a gray version of the cloud effect when using healing glop and infuses spiders that walk on it instead of slow them down 

After biting a mob That mob will receive 25 planar and normal damage for the next four minutes with mobs of the opposing alignment receiving an extra 10 planar damage per minute and the spider will lose they’re infusion until next time you infuse the spiders,all spiders can attack nightmare creatures when afraid

 

 

 

Lunar infused spiders: 

 

The Cryptic founder will reward your curiosity with the ability to Infuse your feral friends with power familiar in form

 

 

You can infuse spiders by using a new item called lunar silk cluster crafted with 8 ashes, 8 silk, and 1 pure brilliance 20 second cool down each use when used it would be like casting the web casted by overcoming arachnophobia but teal as well as a teal version of the cloud effect when using healing glop and infuses spiders that walk on it instead of slow them down 

After biting a mob That mob will receive 25 planar and normal damage for the next four minutes with mobs of the opposing alignment receiving an extra 10 planar damage per minute and the spider will lose they’re infusion until next time you infuse the spiders

 

Concept art :

shadow/lunar infused concept (purple highlighting not intended):

 

 

Web color referenced from beards:

 

 

 

 

 

 

This in the beard colors above:

 

 

 

7 minutes ago, dst_lover said:

This is very nice from you 

you might consider other options for his skill tree because from what I know Webber might learned a lot while he is surviving with the other survivors because from what I know he is close to the other characters like Wickerbottom and Wendy he might learn something from them 

because some characters skill trees are influenced by other characters like from what I know some of Wurt skill trees was influenced by Winona and she help him build some of his structures 

Were you thinking anything or anyone in particular

Edited September 24, 2024 by Dr.Webber

[Creatingabe1125]

3 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

Is that a yes

also, how much Times killing fruit flies do you think it should take for the instant befriending process to take place

If they made it so there’s another way to make mulch for anyone or other farming characters to keep it fair then sure but spiders protecting plants and fruit fly doesn’t make as much sense as the fruit fly has no connection to Webber and probably shouldn’t because they are not related and the only connection would be they both are farming but I don’t see that as a good reason for connection especially for someone who just started farming in gameplay, and for spiders unless followers got an update I don’t think they should do that. Also why not just give Webber spider fertilizer or farming tools made of silk?

 

1 hour ago, Dr.Webber said:

Hey, do you think I should get rid of the bug skills?

What would they do? But probably as I don’t know if Webber likes to catch bugs in the constant enough or if it was just for his dad because if it was just for his dad then he would have little to no reason to do it in the constant.

Edited September 24, 2024 by Creatingabe1125

[Dr.Webber]

21 minutes ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

If they made it so there’s another way to make mulch for anyone or other farming characters to keep it fair then sure but spiders protecting plants and fruit fly doesn’t make as much sense as the fruit fly has no connection to Webber and probably shouldn’t because they are not related and the only connection would be they both are farming but I don’t see that as a good reason for connection especially for someone who just started farming in gameplay, and for spiders unless followers got an update I don’t think they should do that. Also why not just give Webber spider fertilizer or farming tools made of silk?

I got rid other mulch idea you realize the spiders would be eating the fruit flies right also I thought it was supposed to tie in to his gameplay 

[Dr.Webber]

Have any ideas for what monster milk does and how many skills are gonna be dedicated to it?

also, any ideas for silk crafts or fusing and/or dividing skills

[Creatingabe1125]

5 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

I got rid other mulch idea you realize the spiders would be eating the fruit flies right also I thought it was supposed to tie in to his gameplay 

I misread the fruit fly part, but what would be befriended? Yes but your adding farming skill out of nowhere (gameplay wise I get why lore wise) so if webber is going to have farming skills it should make sense gameplay wise because it’s affecting gameplay but also lore wise as that’s the main/only reason for farming skills being added to Webber.

53 minutes ago, Dr.Webber said:

Have any ideas for what monster milk does and how many skills are gonna be dedicated to it?

also, any ideas for silk crafts or fusing and/or dividing skills

If your going the farming root with Webber then farming silk tools like a hoe or fertilizer or a watering can. But maybe a spider hat that acts like a top hat but it provides a bit of insulation.

At most 3 but preferably 1 or 2. Den perks, help your spiders, cookie and milk combo?

 

also a random idea for followers if they got an update about them. What if there was a followers tab like how there’s a beefalo tab, and in it you could craft cheap and somewhat effective armor for followers or other tools or other things related to helping or keep you followers. And the shadow or ruins or rift crafts could have a helmet that lets followers who wear it see and attack nightmares with some protection and it could be repairable with fuel or just not too expensive. Also before you say that I said Bernie should be the only one to have it, still agree with that but Bernie getting that from day 1 compared to having to explore the shadow stuff in later days is still somewhat unique and this is if all followers got an update. Though maybe there could be tools to help with teamwork like commanding tools.

[Dr.Webber]

6 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

I misread the fruit fly part, but what would be befriended? Yes but your adding farming skill out of nowhere (gameplay wise I get why lore wise) so if webber is going to have farming skills it should make sense gameplay wise because it’s affecting gameplay but also lore wise as that’s the main/only reason for farming skills being added to Webber.

The spiders from the den that would be placed on the farm turf because he’s the reason they have a consistent source of food

The reason I brought up the idea of using the protection of the planets to eventually get instant befriending of spiders from that den because he’s the reason they have a consistent source of food is in order to tie the gardening skill into webber’s gameplay

6 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Den perks, help your spiders, cookie and milk combo?

So what would that combo entail?

6 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

also a random idea for followers if they got an update about them. What if there was a followers tab like how there’s a beefalo tab, and in it you could craft cheap and somewhat effective armor for followers or other tools or other things related to helping or keep you followers. And the shadow or ruins or rift crafts could have a helmet that lets followers who wear it see and attack nightmares with some protection and it could be repairable with fuel or just not too expensive. Also before you say that I said Bernie should be the only one to have it, still agree with that but Bernie getting that from day 1 compared to having to explore the shadow stuff in later days is still somewhat unique and this is if all followers got an update. Though maybe there could be tools to help with teamwork like commanding tools.

I love it

[Creatingabe1125]

2 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

The spiders from the den that would be placed on the farm turf because he’s the reason they have a consistent source of food

The reason I brought up the idea of using the protection of the planets to eventually get instant befriending of spiders from that den because he’s the reason they have a consistent source of food is in order to tie the gardening skill into webber’s gameplay

Don’t spiders just eat meat? It’s one thing to mix vegetables and meat, it’s another thing them eating raw vegetables. And if you’re talking about the fruit flies they’re not constantly spawning and I could see spiders attacking them but eating them to become befriended I think is a bit too much. Also infinite befriended spiders without feeding them meat from potentially multiple dens on farm turf sounds a bit op.

2 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

So what would that combo entail?

Maybe just a good amount of hunger and health gained with transformation for spiders.

2 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

I love it

They could maybe make a followers update with Walter and Webber getting skill trees like Wurt and winnona. Also what if there was a friend themed boss. Idk what it would be or what it would do but it would be related to the followers theme of the update.

[Dr.Webber]

3 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Don’t spiders just eat meat? It’s one thing to mix vegetables and meat, it’s another thing them eating raw vegetables. And if you’re talking about the fruit flies they’re not constantly spawning and I could see spiders attacking them but eating them to become befriended I think is a bit too much. Also infinite befriended spiders without feeding them meat from potentially multiple dens on farm turf sounds a bit op

OK, do you have any ideas then

 

4 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Maybe just a good amount of hunger and health gained with transformation for spiders.

6 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

What’s the point of pairing it with Switcher doodles It has nothing to do with their effect

[Creatingabe1125]

4 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

OK, do you have any ideas then

 

For spiders or farming or both? if there’s a follower update to improve all followers equally then I guess tilling, planting seeds, and tending with maybe watering and fertilizing for nurses and striders but they have to get it from a source.

4 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

What’s the point of pairing it with Switcher doodles It has nothing to do with their effect

More as a bonus but it’s more as a good healer and maybe it gets boosted stat bonus or an effect like overtime healing if the cookie type it uses matches the spider it’s fed to.

[Dr.Webber]

9 minutes ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

For spiders or farming or both? if there’s a follower update to improve all followers equally then I guess tilling, planting seeds, and tending with maybe watering and fertilizing for nurses and striders but they have to get it from a source.

Both and specifically for this skill tree no follower update stuff

 

14 minutes ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

More as a bonus but it’s more as a good healer and maybe it gets boosted stat bonus or an effect like overtime healing if the cookie type it uses matches the spider it’s fed to.

What about upgrading spider types for example dangling depth dwellers turning black and doing more damage 

[Creatingabe1125]

4 minutes ago, Dr.Webber said:

Both and specifically for this skill tree no follower update stuff

 

What about upgrading spider types for example dangling depth dwellers turning black and doing more damage 

If there’s no followers update then keep it simple and fair compared to other followers rn so a simple ability like leaping or dodging is okay so long as it’s balanced. A random idea like shooting webs similar to wickerbottom’s maybe as it’s 1 simple ability but I wouldn’t make a special ability for each spider for the reason of too many.

I would be okay with small buffs to each spider’s ability but they shouldn’t be too big and I think it would make more sense if those buffs were a different skill.

Then I would say tilling for spiders and silk related farming tools.

[Dr.Webber]

13 minutes ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

If there’s no followers update then keep it simple and fair compared to other followers rn so a simple ability like leaping or dodging is okay so long as it’s balanced. A random idea like shooting webs similar to wickerbottom’s maybe as it’s 1 simple ability but I wouldn’t make a special ability for each spider for the reason of too many.

There will be eventually but I’m talking about to how to tie farm stuff into his gameplay 

 

42 minutes ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

I would be okay with small buffs to each spider’s ability but they shouldn’t be too big and I think it would make more sense if those buffs were a different skill.

Why, this is the skill for it

 

44 minutes ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Then I would say tilling for spiders and silk related farming tools.

I think you wanted me to make it fit in his game play

[Creatingabe1125]

1 hour ago, Dr.Webber said:

Why, this is the skill for it

?

1 hour ago, Dr.Webber said:

There will be eventually but I’m talking about to how to tie farm stuff into his gameplay

Oh. We already came up with something for the milk but I don’t have many ideas for benefits from farming besides using them in crafting some spider foods but not really sure about that either.

1 hour ago, Dr.Webber said:

I think you wanted me to make it fit in his game play

Oh I thought you meant spiders farming. Umm idk how to make farming plants work with spiders while making enough sense.

[Dr.Webber]

38 minutes ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

?

I’m asking why make it a different skin if the point of this skill is to craft something to give buffs

46 minutes ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Oh I thought you meant spiders farming. Umm idk how to make farming plants work with spiders while making enough sense

It could be something with spiders farming, but I figured you wanted it too be tied into webber’s gameplay 

besides that

also I was thinking maybe do something similar to industrious merm and hardheaded skills for the spiders

and also do a skill that makes him not loose at dusk

(also do you think it would be too powerful if the dusk thing extended to night?)

Also, I feel like there should be a craft that allows non-Webber survivors to walk among non-bedazzled spiders without being agro on or some other  care craft

Also, I forgot if you answered this one yet, but do you have any ideas for silk crafts?

[Creatingabe1125]

15 minutes ago, Dr.Webber said:

I’m asking why make it a different skin if the point of this skill is to craft something to give buffs

If your talking about the silk farm tools they would be made out of silk and a bit less effective than normal but I’m fine without it.

16 minutes ago, Dr.Webber said:

It could be something with spiders farming, but I figured you wanted it too be tied into webber’s gameplay

I want there to be a reason to farm instead of hunting with a benefit gained from farming. But also yeah I want it to make farming more helpful to his way of survival then it would be if you just added farming boosts.

21 minutes ago, Dr.Webber said:

besides that

also I was thinking maybe do something similar to industrious merm and hardheaded skills for the spiders

and also do a skill that makes him not loose at dusk

(also do you think it would be too powerful if the dusk thing extended to night?)

Also, I feel like there should be a craft that allows non-Webber survivors to walk among non-bedazzled spiders without being agro on or some other  care craft

Also, I forgot if you answered this one yet, but do you have any ideas for silk crafts?

So a station for tools and armor?

I assume you mean sanity and he is still a child that probably is still a bit scared of the constant.

Though if there’s a Webber why would other players need to explore spiders. But besides that maybe a spider friendly hat?

A spider web for catching bugs to restore small amount of hunger? That’s a random idea but I don’t have many ideas for that.

 

[Dr.Webber]

1 hour ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

If your talking about the silk farm tools they would be made out of silk and a bit less effective than normal but I’m fine without it.

1 hour ago, Dr.Webber said:

I was talking about buffing the spider types 

 

1 hour ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

I want there to be a reason to farm instead of hunting with a benefit gained from farming. But also yeah I want it to make farming more helpful to his way of survival then it would be if you just added farming boosts.

So any ideas 

 

1 hour ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

So a station for tools and armor?

I assume you mean sanity and he is still a child that probably is still a bit scared of the constant.

Though if there’s a Webber why would other players need to explore spiders. But besides that maybe a spider friendly hat?

A spider web for catching bugs to restore small amount of hunger? That’s a random idea but I don’t have many ideas for that.

Ya

i meant from dusk 

I was think more if you were traveling weather it is resource gathering, exploring, etc if they run into spider territory they can travel safely through it

well, that reminds me of an old idea of mine. It was like balled up silk You could throw enemies and it would act similar to eucus snot does that sound like a good idea?

[Creatingabe1125]

12 minutes ago, Dr.Webber said:

I was talking about buffing the spider types

Oh. Well then there wouldn’t be a skin. Maybe followers could get skins but unless it’s a special form or a reason similar to lunar/shadow/always angry Bernie.

15 minutes ago, Dr.Webber said:

So any ideas

Not much

16 minutes ago, Dr.Webber said:

Ya

i meant from dusk 

I was think more if you were traveling weather it is resource gathering, exploring, etc if they run into spider territory they can travel safely through it

well, that reminds me of an old idea of mine. It was like balled up silk You could throw enemies and it would act similar to eucus snot does that sound like a good idea?

Maybe you could use silk and another material to make spider armor eqiupable by spiders only and for tools they could have tools in the form of fangs. But maybe just certain spider types can do certain work tasks to balance spider abilities a bit and to encourage exploring for more spiders.

so sanity effect or something else?

I think Webber would try to collect those spiders but okay.

trapping creatures sounds a bit much but it could slow down enemies a lot but if it did do a very effective slow down or trapped creatures it should probably have a cooldown.

[Dr.Webber]

32 minutes ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Maybe you could use silk and another material to make spider armor eqiupable by spiders only and for tools they could have tools in the form of fangs. But maybe just certain spider types can do certain work tasks to balance spider abilities a bit and to encourage exploring for more spiders.

Yeah, I thought that far into it yet when it comes to resources, yeah

 

32 minutes ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Oh. Well then there wouldn’t be a skin. Maybe followers could get skins but unless it’s a special form or a reason similar to lunar/shadow/always angry Bernie.

Oh, I meant skill sorry

32 minutes ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

so sanity effect or something else?

What I meant was like during dusk survivors, passively lucidity, but I guess a sanity recharge would also be an interesting idea to explore

 

32 minutes ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

trapping creatures sounds a bit much but it could slow down enemies a lot but if it did do a very effective slow down or trapped creatures it should probably have a cooldown

I was thinking when you would use up the item

Just now, I was thinking what if the defensive in aggressive modes that the webby whistle with spider Pacific

For example see you switched it to defensive settings while you’re on a boat and you have sea strider the sea strider would try to block the boat from hitting any incoming rocks

also, I think I thought of a way too Give other players way to stay safe when traveling through spider territory, I could  add this skill That would be called sharing is caring and it would allow Webber to give players the shoebox and they could only use it for its calling off aggressive spider function

but now to think of a third craft for the care craft thing

Edited September 26, 2024 by Dr.Webber

[Creatingabe1125]

33 minutes ago, Dr.Webber said:

Yeah, I thought that far into it yet when it comes to resources, yeah

 

Okay

34 minutes ago, Dr.Webber said:

Oh, I meant skill sorry

The cookies and milk would just be like a good crock pot dish without coming from a crock pot instead from crafting with a bonus healing effect for the same type of spider as the cookie is.

37 minutes ago, Dr.Webber said:

What I meant was like during dusk survivors, passively lucidity, but I guess a sanity recharge would also be an interesting idea to explore

 

I don’t understand.

37 minutes ago, Dr.Webber said:

was thinking when you would use up the item

Just now, I was thinking what if the defensive in aggressive modes that the webby whistle with spider Pacific

For example see you switched it to defensive settings while you’re on a boat and you have sea strider the sea strider would try to block the boat from hitting any incoming rocks

also, I think I thought of a way too Give other players way to stay safe when traveling through spider territory, I could  add this skill That would be called sharing is caring and it would allow Webber to give players the shoebox and they could only use it for its calling off aggressive spider function

but now to think of a third craft for the care craft thing

How much would it cost cause if it’s cheap it might need a cooldown depending on what it does.

?

could work.

I don’t have many ideas for that.

[Dr.Webber]

1 hour ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

The cookies and milk would just be like a good crock pot dish without coming from a crock pot instead from crafting with a bonus healing effect for the same type of spider as the cookie is.

If that’s all it does that seems like a waste of a switcher doodle 

 

1 hour ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

I don’t understand.

So in the game currently all survivors passively lose sanity during dusk what I’m suggesting is Webber has a skill that he will no longer have this sanity drain because he is a spider and spiders come out at dusk 

then you said something about a sanity aura  so I said that would  that would be an interesting route too maybe it could be something like the spider half feels more comfortable at dusk

1 hour ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

How much would it cost cause if it’s cheap it might need a cooldown depending on what it does.

It would be a one time use 

 

1 hour ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

?

Ok I’m assuming you don’t know that the Webby whistle can be used for more than calling spider of there den

watch this:

 

[Creatingabe1125]

5 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

If that’s all it does that seems like a waste of a switcher doodle

You could just use the ingredients of a snicker doodle minus the special ingredient plus the milk to make cookies and milk instead. It would give at least 20 and at most 60 health but I don’t know what it should be exactly, it would grant a lot of hunger and possibly a bit of sanity.

5 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

So in the game currently all survivors passively lose sanity during dusk what I’m suggesting is Webber has a skill that he will no longer have this sanity drain because he is a spider and spiders come out at dusk 

then you said something about a sanity aura  so I said that would  that would be an interesting route too maybe it could be something like the spider half feels more comfortable at dusk

No I meant sanity drain. He is still a boy and probably is still scared of the dark.

5 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

It would be a one time use

What would it cost?

6 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

Ok I’m assuming you don’t know that the Webby whistle can be used for more than calling spider of there den

watch this:

 

I’ve already knew that as I’ve seen it before but I never though of them as defensive and offensive modes.

[Dr.Webber]

6 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

You could just use the ingredients of a snicker doodle minus the special ingredient plus the milk to make cookies and milk instead. It would give at least 20 and at most 60 health but I don’t know what it should be exactly, it would grant a lot of hunger and possibly a bit of sanity.

Where is the item for Webber or the spiders

6 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

No I meant sanity drain. He is still a boy and probably is still scared of the dark

That’s part of the reason why it’s only dusk And not night

6 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

What would it cost?

A certain number of silk and possibly something else

6 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

’ve already knew that as I’ve seen it before but I never though of them as defensive and offensive modes.

Oh, but do you like the idea?

[Creatingabe1125]

2 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

Where is the item for Webber or the spiders

The cookies and milk is more as a bonus idea if Webber has a skill related with goats.

2 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

That’s part of the reason why it’s only dusk And not night

Maybe if he is near spiders he doesn’t lose sanity at dusk or night.

2 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

A certain number of silk and possibly something else

maybe ewecus phlegm and 3 silk?

3 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

Oh, but do you like the idea?

Didn’t really understand the idea much.

[Dr.Webber]

31 minutes ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

The cookies and milk is more as a bonus idea if Webber has a skill related with goats.

We’ll workshop at more later

 

31 minutes ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Maybe if he is near spiders he doesn’t lose sanity at dusk or night.

Works with me 

 

32 minutes ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

maybe ewecus phlegm and 3 silk?

3 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

Works with me 

 

34 minutes ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Didn’t really understand the idea much.

What about it don’t you understand