skill tree idea Edited 08-02-2024 Webber skill tree suggestions also Klei I don’t care about credit add or take inspiration from any of my suggestions as you please all I ask is you take them into consideration+Fan ideas welcome(great place to use to make everyone happy)

[HellHeater]

What on earth was discussed here to take 29 whole pages without reiterating everything?

Edited November 17, 2024 by HellHeater
dang 30

[Dr.Webber]

1 hour ago, HellHeater said:

What on earth was discussed here to take 29 whole pages without reiterating everything?

I had to a few times

[Creatingabe1125]

On 11/14/2024 at 5:11 PM, Dr.Webber said:

It’s the specific shield tho

and he’s sort of a one of a kind thing that statement could work the for what he is and being infused with unnatural energy

But they had another reason to add a shield and may have used that for convenience or it was a coincidence. Also where did you find the shield that had the beefalo wool in the short?

Then that statement should have more information about it and be shown to be important to Webber (I know it merged human Webber and spider Webber but I think Webber saw the event as important but didn’t see the energy itself as important to him as nothing else really happened between the two after that.)

On 11/14/2024 at 5:11 PM, Dr.Webber said:

If you don’t believe me you watch it frame also even if that was true I don’t that that isn’t excess unnatural energy stabilizing and there’s probably more already within him infused through out the whole body 

I did or atleast try to and didn’t see it going into him directly, it may have di towards his direction at some parts but I don’t think it went in him.

So you think there was energy in him caused by the fuse and the energy surrounding him was stabilizing? Maybe possible but I wouldn’t go say that’s true as that sounds more like theory. I still think it just dissipated though.

On 11/14/2024 at 5:11 PM, Dr.Webber said:

You literally just described what would cause it to be a wasted opportunity 

they introduced a new energy and wouldn’t be doing anything with it except a  diluted version That is completely unrelated to the character. The initial energy was introduced by

So not is it not giving it anything to do or not giving it to Webber the problem?

On 11/14/2024 at 5:11 PM, Dr.Webber said:

Nothing The energy was part of the plan for most of the time the plan has been in existence

What plan? And I thought you said the abilities that the unnatural energy would give to the baby spiders would affect how they grab mobs.

On 11/14/2024 at 5:11 PM, Dr.Webber said:

No thats not what they do at all, they help build the carecraft from within the itsy-bitsy nest

Oh okay.

On 11/17/2024 at 4:19 PM, HellHeater said:

What on earth was discussed here to take 29 whole pages without reiterating everything?

A lot of going back and forth until we got to an agreement on a topic, and then more topics were brought up old and new, and I think it started at about the bottom of page 12.

Edited November 19, 2024 by Creatingabe1125

[Dr.Webber]

2 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

But they had another reason to add a shield and may have used that for convenience or it was a coincidence. Also where did you find the shield that had the beefalo wool in the short?

OK on second look it’s not the exact shield(but to be fair the unnatural energy, one exactly take the same form as it did in the short): 

2 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Then that statement should have more information about it and be shown to be important to Webber (I know it merged human Webber and spider Webber but I think Webber saw the event as important but didn’t see the energy itself as important to him as nothing else really happened between the two after that.)

This is the time to have something happening between the two

2 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

I did or atleast try to and didn’t see it going into him directly, it may have di towards his direction at some parts but I don’t think it went in him.

So you think there was energy in him caused by the fuse and the energy surrounding him was stabilizing? Maybe possible but I wouldn’t go say that’s true as that sounds more like theory. I still think it just dissipated though.

If it was just dissipating, it wouldn’t have gone inward at the last moment

2 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

So not is it not giving it anything to do or not giving it to Webber the problem?

On 11/14/2024 at 4:11 PM, Dr.Webber said:

Give it to Weber would be preferable, but I’d be fine with them giving it something to do outside of Webber and the moon key so far

2 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

What plan? And I thought you said the abilities that the unnatural energy would give to the baby spiders would affect how they grab mobs.

Yeah, the idea was to give a natural energy to the baby spiders to allow them to grab onto mobs For most of the time I had the idea to bring back the baby spiders from the forge

Edited November 19, 2024 by Dr.Webber

[Dr.Webber]

Ok put the unnatural energy stuff aside for a second I need help thinking of alinements, a third craft for the carecrafts, two more crafts for the silk crafts, and buffing items that we can use Crops to craft 

And I have no idea what to do so let’s just start bouncing ideas off each other

[Creatingabe1125]

On 11/19/2024 at 10:03 AM, Dr.Webber said:

(but to be fair the unnatural energy, one exactly take the same form as it did in the short): 

 

The energy from Webber’s short to moon quay portal? I did see a slight difference with Webber’s purple part glowing a bit but that might be cause of the time difference between those two shorts.

On 11/19/2024 at 10:03 AM, Dr.Webber said:

If it was just dissipating, it wouldn’t have gone inward at the last moment

Though I don’t see it directly going in him.

On 11/19/2024 at 10:03 AM, Dr.Webber said:

Yeah, the idea was to give a natural energy to the baby spiders to allow them to grab onto mobs For most of the time I had the idea to bring back the baby spiders from the forge

Still don’t know what you exactly mean by grabbing onto mobs but okay.

On 11/19/2024 at 10:03 AM, Dr.Webber said:

Give it to Weber would be preferable, but I’d be fine with them giving it something to do outside of Webber and the moon key so far

Oh okay. Though not sure if Klei will consider doing anything with unnatural energy anytime soon as the main focus is on skill trees and lunar/shadow.

On 11/19/2024 at 4:19 PM, Dr.Webber said:

Ok put the unnatural energy stuff aside for a second I need help thinking of alinements, a third craft for the carecrafts, two more crafts for the silk crafts, and buffing items that we can use Crops to craft 

And I have no idea what to do so let’s just start bouncing ideas off each other

Care kits? Uses some healing materials and spider materials to make a kit that can heal spiders with healing or stops some effects like fire or being frozen or over time damage or other effects that could be healed with this. Alligned switcherdoodles or an item to empower spiders, I have no other ideas for alignments rn. Well is there anything that Webber could use a buff for that could involve crops?

[Dr.Webber]

18 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

The energy from Webber’s short to moon quay portal? I did see a slight difference with Webber’s purple part glowing a bit but that might be cause of the time difference between those two shorts.

On 11/19/2024 at 9:03 AM, Dr.Webber said:

I meant what type of fusing it will do

 

18 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Though I don’t see it directly going in him.

On 11/19/2024 at 9:03 AM, Dr.Webber said:

I guess I’ll just have to trust me

 

18 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Care kits? Uses some healing materials and spider materials to make a kit that can heal spiders with healing or stops some effects like fire or being frozen or over time damage or other effects that could be healed with this. Alligned switcherdoodles or an item to empower spiders, I have no other ideas for alignments rn. Well is there anything that Webber could use a buff for that could involve crops?

I had An idea Weber could craft a crafting station that he can make half for the spiders out of silk and two crops for example one made with fire, nettles and dragon fruit that works like Scalemail

Edited November 22, 2024 by Dr.Webber

[Dr.Webber]

What if the alinements are centered around shattered spiders? Where you give pure horror or pure brilliance To them canonically to improve their quality of life, but game wise it would be like an upgraded version

Canonically
For shadow it would be to counteract what What the moon has done to them

and for lunar, it would be refined what the moon has done to them in 

each mending what is shattered

Do you think I should have a Den relocation two to allow him to relocate non-normal dens

 

Also, I got rid of the silk spindle the new beta gave me inspiration. You should check it out maybe now I’ll help you come up with ideas too

[Creatingabe1125]

8 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

I meant what type of fusing it will do

so you mean both energy fusing stuff?

8 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

I guess I’ll just have to trust me

 

I trust you or you trust you? Also the only way I can kind of see it going in is the energy shrinking but I still don’t think it went in.

8 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

I had An idea Weber could craft a crafting station that he can make half for the spiders out of silk and two crops for example one made with fire, nettles and dragon fruit that works like Scalemail

Oh okay, I kind of like it but I’m not sure if it fits Webber.

5 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

What if the alinements are centered around shattered spiders? Where you give pure horror or pure brilliance To them canonically to improve their quality of life, but game wise it would be like an upgraded version

Canonically
For shadow it would be to counteract what What the moon has done to them

and for lunar, it would be refined what the moon has done to them in 

each mending what is shattered

Do you think I should have a Den relocation two to allow him to relocate non-normal dens

 

Also, I got rid of the silk spindle the new beta gave me inspiration. You should check it out maybe now I’ll help you come up with ideas too

I don’t think the shadow alignment should focus on a lunar mob but also what beta?

I did not know there was a skill tree beta for Wendy, Walter, and wortox. But also I play on the switch so I don’t think I can play it.

Edited November 22, 2024 by Creatingabe1125

[Dr.Webber]

5 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

so you mean both energy fusing stuff?

Both of what

 

 

5 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

I trust you or you trust you? Also the only way I can kind of see it going in is the energy shrinking but I still don’t think it went in.

You trust me
 

6 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

but I’m not sure if it fits Webber.

How do you mean?

 

6 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

I don’t think the shadow alignment should focus on a lunar mob but also what beta?

It would turn them into shadow mobs The idea is the moon mangled them in the shadows can fix them

Also, another option is when spiders die. They turn into Gestalt and possessed their own body. or turn into shadows. but we already got the revival mechanic in the homemade den

On 11/21/2024 at 6:49 AM, Creatingabe1125 said:

an item to empower spiders

when it empowers what  ability, does it give them?

6 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

I did not know there was a skill tree beta for Wendy, Walter, and wortox. But also I play on the switch so I don’t think I can play it.

I can’t play either, but I saw that beard 777 video on it and I got inspiration

[Dr.Webber]

I was taking a second look at the Wortox skill tree and I was thinking what if we do a human and spider inclination just like how or talk has a naughty and nice and inclination 

[Dr.Webber]

@NPCMaxwell any idea for what to increase/decrease

Edited November 23, 2024 by Dr.Webber

[NPCMaxwell]

6 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

@NPCMaxwell any idea for what to increase/decrease

If I HAD I would have mentioned it (after all I keep reading every new post here)

[Dr.Webber]

11 hours ago, NPCMaxwell said:

If I HAD I would have mentioned it (after all I keep reading every new post here)

Ok by the way, why is had all capitalized?

[NPCMaxwell]

2 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

Ok by the way, why is had all capitalized?

to put emphasize on the fact that the question was unessessary, since I would have ->had<- written a suggestion by myself if I had got one while reading the new posts, without needing to be nudged.

[Dr.Webber]

58 minutes ago, NPCMaxwell said:

to put emphasize on the fact that the question was unessessary, since I would have ->had<- written a suggestion by myself if I had got one while reading the new posts, without needing to be nudged.

I figured that asking would show didn’t already have one in mind and maybe you could come up with something before I can 

[NPCMaxwell]

3 minutes ago, Dr.Webber said:

I figured that asking would show didn’t already have one in mind and maybe you could come up with something before I can 

I keep assuming you are always open for suggestions but I am currently in quite a bad mood that only gets worse when i am being poked (I'm not angry though since you could impossibly know that)

[Dr.Webber]

1 hour ago, NPCMaxwell said:

I keep assuming you are always open for suggestions but I am currently in quite a bad mood that only gets worse when i am being poked (I'm not angry though since you could impossibly know that)

I hope you feel better soon 

[Dr.Webber]

Anybody have any ideas for another spider skill?

[Creatingabe1125]

On 11/22/2024 at 2:14 PM, Dr.Webber said:

Both of what

Moon quay and Webber, or did you mean something else.

On 11/22/2024 at 2:14 PM, Dr.Webber said:

You trust me

Okay, though could you show me how it looks like it’s going in him?

On 11/22/2024 at 2:14 PM, Dr.Webber said:

How do you mean?

 

It sounded like he was forging armor which doesn’t seem like something he would do, maybe they each have their own recipe instead.

On 11/22/2024 at 2:14 PM, Dr.Webber said:

It would turn them into shadow mobs The idea is the moon mangled them in the shadows can fix them

Also, another option is when spiders die. They turn into Gestalt and possessed their own body. or turn into shadows. but we already got the revival mechanic in the homemade den

Okay but I still don’t think it’s makes sense for the shadow part of Webber to affect a lunar spider.

I still think aligned switcherdoodles is most likely as Wendy got aligned elixirs, Wigfrid got an aligned song, Walter got a bunch of aligned rounds, and Webber has the potential for aligned spiders with switcherdoodles.

On 11/22/2024 at 2:14 PM, Dr.Webber said:

when it empowers what  ability, does it give them?

The same or similar as wurt does with the pure stuff.

On 11/22/2024 at 2:14 PM, Dr.Webber said:

I can’t play either, but I saw that beard 777 video on it and I got inspiration

Oh okay.

On 11/22/2024 at 5:01 PM, Dr.Webber said:

I was taking a second look at the Wortox skill tree and I was thinking what if we do a human and spider inclination just like how or talk has a naughty and nice and inclination 

Though do you mean 50% skills spider 50% skills human or similar to that as I think that might be a lot of human skills because I haven’t seen enough reason to make it like half of the skill tree and I also think the spider part is the more important focus.

On 11/25/2024 at 5:21 PM, Dr.Webber said:

Anybody have any ideas for another spider skill?

Not now.

Edited November 27, 2024 by Creatingabe1125

[Dr.Webber]

1 hour ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Moon quay and Webber, or did you mean something else.

They do both a few stuff But what I meant was the energy will few stuff in a different way then in the animation

1 hour ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Okay, though could you show me how it looks like it’s going in him?

I hope this works. I couldn’t really figure out how to do it frame by frame, but I hope this is good enough

 

1 hour ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

It sounded like he was forging armor which doesn’t seem like something he would do, maybe they each have their own recipe instead

If I’m remembering right isn’t that already what I was gonna do or or are you talking about it being a structure because I’m thinking about moving away from that idea

Edited November 27, 2024 by Dr.Webber

[Dr.Webber]

1 hour ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

I still think aligned switcherdoodles is most likely as Wendy got aligned elixirs, Wigfrid got an aligned song, Walter got a bunch of aligned rounds, and Webber has the potential for aligned spiders with switcherdoodles.

OK, but now I gotta think of New designs and abilities for these new types of spiders

any ideas?

1 hour ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

The same or similar as wurt does with the pure stuff.

I feel like you should be more unique
 

 

1 hour ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Though do you mean 50% skills spider 50% skills human or similar to that as I think that might be a lot of human skills because I haven’t seen enough reason to make it like half of the skill tree and I also think the spider part is the more important focus.

Don’t worry, i’m basically just reassigning stuff he can do for spreaders that spiders can’t do to human if I do decide to do this idea

basically, now I only need to come up with 2 to 3 more spider skills and iron out the details for the crop armor  come up with two more care crafts and one more silk craft and possibly increase the number of skills outside of alignments to 25 and iron out all the kinks for the alignments switcher doodles

awesome thinking of maybe making a skill similar to Wigfrid’s Mystic resistance for Webber But instead of a mysterious divine blessing, it would be unnatural energy related and fueled by Can you get it by drinking electric milk impossibly making extend to spider followers any ideas for any other differences

 

[Creatingabe1125]

10 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

They do both a few stuff But what I meant was the energy will few stuff in a different way then in the animation

So the fusion in the animation will look different than fusion in the game? And what does that mean for unnatural energy and Webber?

10 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

I hope this works. I couldn’t really figure out how to do it frame by frame, but I hope this is good enough

The only way I could see it going in him is that it’s getting smaller meaning it’s going in him but also the energy hasn’t moved but just got smaller.

10 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

If I’m remembering right isn’t that already what I was gonna do or or are you talking about it being a structure because I’m thinking about moving away from that idea

About it being it’s own structure.

9 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

OK, but now I gotta think of New designs and abilities for these new types of spiders

any ideas?

The shattered spider already existing makes it a bit of a challenge to come up with some new for the lunar side but I have two ideas for that. First idea is we still make another lunar spider but it would probably be less shattered/rocky and be a bit weird to have two different lunar spiders, second idea is we have the switcher doodles do something else or substitute the lunar switcherdoodle for something else. I don’t have specific ideas rn though

22 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

I feel like you should be more unique

I don’t have another idea for that rn.

22 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

Don’t worry, i’m basically just reassigning stuff he can do for spreaders that spiders can’t do to human if I do decide to do this idea

basically, now I only need to come up with 2 to 3 more spider skills and iron out the details for the crop armor  come up with two more care crafts and one more silk craft and possibly increase the number of skills outside of alignments to 25 and iron out all the kinks for the alignments switcher doodles

awesome thinking of maybe making a skill similar to Wigfrid’s Mystic resistance for Webber But instead of a mysterious divine blessing, it would be unnatural energy related and fueled by Can you get it by drinking electric milk impossibly making extend to spider followers any ideas for any other differences

So any current skill that spiders can’t do is a human skill?

okay.

So natural planar defense for Webber but with unnatural energy?

[Dr.Webber]

1 hour ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

So the fusion in the animation will look different than fusion in the game? And what does that mean for unnatural energy and Webber?

I just mean that rather than fusing whole bodies together, it would be fusing a piece of him with them to give them aspects of him

 

1 hour ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

The only way I could see it going in him is that it’s getting smaller meaning it’s going in him but also the energy hasn’t moved but just got smaller.

OK, can we move on from us now? I might not have been able to fully capture in the screenshots, but I did see it go inwards And even if it wasn’t chances are, that’s just excess energy and not the actual energy keeping them together

 

1 hour ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

About it being it’s own structure.

Oh yeah, I’m moving away from that idea anyway Any ideas for what other crops to combine together to make certain armors with other abilities

 

2 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

The shattered spider already existing makes it a bit of a challenge to come up with some new for the lunar side but I have two ideas for that. First idea is we still make another lunar spider but it would probably be less shattered/rocky and be a bit weird to have two different lunar spiders, second idea is we have the switcher doodles do something else or substitute the lunar switcherdoodle for something else. I don’t have specific ideas rn though

If I’m making a new switcher noodle, it’s going to be for a new spider rather than something that switcher doodles don’t do

 

2 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

So any current skill that spiders can’t do is a human skill?

Ya

2 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

So natural planar defense for Webber but with unnatural energy?

I was thinking that would be one option maybe have it be playing our damage or something else just something that explores deceiving power similar to that if you get from alignments but outside of alignments and just something that I found really interesting about the sticker resistance specially censored not something like Wolfgang suddenly having planar power because for mystic resistance, the description describes it as a divine blessing

[Dr.Webber]

Hey do you think I should add something like a sanity gain to sharing is caring so Webber also benefits from it if so how much  or do you think I should remove it all together