skill tree idea Edited 08-02-2024 Webber skill tree suggestions also Klei I don’t care about credit add or take inspiration from any of my suggestions as you please all I ask is you take them into consideration+Fan ideas welcome(great place to use to make everyone happy)

[Dr.Webber]

@Creatingabe1125I got the homemade den almost finished, but I’m waiting till after we got a concrete idea of how many spiders we’re gonna put in there to decide how many stickers there should be right now. I am thinking about two stickers but might upper depending on how many spiders we plan to put in there

Edited September 10, 2024 by Dr.Webber

[Creatingabe1125]

4 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

It being divisible is so it can be evenly split 

 

1 hour ago, Dr.Webber said:

We could rethink how many spiders each trinket will affect if you want to have a different number than the ones I’ve provided

What if it had 12 spiders with the inventory of a scaled chest but for spiders only, and the trinket affects all of them but the life amulet could have in total 12 revives or 1 revive per spider in the den.

The thulcite crown would have 25 uses but it’s effect would last forever on a spider until it dies. So any spider who takes 1 use from the crown will have the ability to dodge every 10 seconds for until the die.

There should be a third trinket but I can’t think of 1.

31 minutes ago, Dr.Webber said:

@Creatingabe1125I got the homemade den almost finished, but I’m waiting till after we got a concrete idea of how many spiders we’re gonna put in there to decide how many stickers there should be right now. I am thinking about two stickers but might upper depending on how many spiders we plan to put in there

I still rather it be a rock den but ignoring that I would suggest making it made of a more sturdy material as if it’s made out of silk it feels easily attackable.

[Dr.Webber]

2 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

it had 12 spiders with the inventory of a scaled chest but for spiders only, and the trinket affects all of them but the life amulet could have in total 12 revives or 1 revive per spider in the den.

The thulcite crown would have 25 uses but it’s effect would last forever on a spider until it dies. So any spider who takes 1 use from the crown will have the ability to dodge every 10 seconds for until the die.

Do you mean 24

 

2 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

I still rather it be a rock den but ignoring that I would suggest making it made of a more sturdy material as if it’s made out of silk it feels easily attackable.

It’s also made of bone

 

2 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

There should be a third trinket but I can’t think of 1.

Yeah, maybe something That usually goes in the hands slot

[Dr.Webber]

Stickered version:

[Creatingabe1125]

2 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

Do you mean 24

I meant 25.

2 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

It’s also made of bone

Are the walls made of bone or is it just the pillars? And how would you even destroy it?

2 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

Yeah, maybe something That usually goes in the hands slot

If it makes sense and helpful I’ll consider it.

[Dr.Webber]

1 hour ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

I meant 25.

Why, if it’s 25 it can’t be split equally

 

1 hour ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Are the walls made of bone or is it just the pillars? And how would you even destroy it?

Just the pillars
 

I thought you were not to look like it could break and I would assume but any other done but if you want, I could add a relocation feature when there’s no spiders in it

[Dr.Webber]

What about the bat bat it allows them to siphon health from enemies by biting them

I was just thinking what if the farming thing is he can grow weapons sort of a half baked idea but it’s something new

[Creatingabe1125]

9 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

Why, if it’s 25 it can’t be split equally

I think of 25 as a more rounded number and why does it NEED to be split evenly? It’s not like they all walk the same and die at the same time, as during the fight some may die and the rest might not.

9 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

Just the pillars
 

I thought you were not to look like it could break and I would assume but any other done but if you want, I could add a relocation feature when there’s no spiders in it

If it’s just the pillars it looks like it could just be punched to be broken like the spider nests, and if it’s not destroyable it may be annoying.

Also the homemade den should not be portable, if there was a separate item maybe but the homemade den was just supposed to be a place to store you’re special spiders with maybe a few perks.

5 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

What about the bat bat it allows them to siphon health from enemies by biting them

I was just thinking what if the farming thing is he can grow weapons sort of a half baked idea but it’s something new

I like the idea of the bat bat but it would have to be balanced.

I don’t like the idea of farming weapons especially for Webber.

[Dr.Webber]

4 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

I think of 25 as a more rounded number and why does it NEED to be split evenly? It’s not like they all walk the same and die at the same time, as during the fight some may die and the rest might not.

It’s about having enough for each one they eventually respawn And if we do it that way one extra spider get the ability next time they respawn But none of the rest do

 

4 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

If it’s just the pillars it looks like it could just be punched to be broken like the spider nests, and if it’s not destroyable it may be annoying.

You can destroy it if you want to like a spider den

 

4 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

I don’t like the idea of farming weapons especially for Webber.

I had a feeling you were gonna say that

any ideas on your end

4 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

I like the idea of the bat bat but it would have to be balanced

of course, what do you think the number of times used should be?

[Creatingabe1125]

3 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

It’s about having enough for each one they eventually respawn And if we do it that way one extra spider get the ability next time they respawn But none of the rest do

 

I see you’re point but I still think 25 is more round and it doesn’t matter a lot that it’s not equal as chances are that some but not all you’re spiders will die so even if it was 24, 3 spiders could die then it’s 21, and then all of your spiders die then it’s 9, then 3 revived spiders don’t get the boost.

3 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

You can destroy it if you want to like a spider den

 

So an enemy that kills all your spiders could easily kill your homemade den then you have to build another one.

3 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

I had a feeling you were gonna say that

any ideas on your end

No.

3 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

of course, what do you think the number of times used should be?

Every attack heals 1/20 of their health assuming their attack deals enough damage to recover that amount of health. And I guess 25.

actually what if it was so the trinkets have unlimited uses but every spider killed makes it lose some durability and after it loses it all the effect is gone.

[Dr.Webber]

32 minutes ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

So an enemy that kills all your spiders could easily kill your homemade den then you have to build another one

Ok what do want here you keep going back and forth on when you want it to be able to be destroyed 

 

1 hour ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Every attack heals 1/20 of their health assuming their attack deals enough damage to recover that amount of health. And I guess 25.

actually what if it was so the trinkets have unlimited uses but every spider killed makes it lose some durability and after it loses it all the effect is gone.

Love it, how much durability would they lose?

[Creatingabe1125]

1 hour ago, Dr.Webber said:

Love it, how much durability would they lose?

Maybe 10 spider deaths will cause all the trinkets to break, the trinkets could also be repaired over time with maybe extra homemade den perks in the skills. Though that feels a bit unfair as 1 aoe boss would wipe them out, 15 maybe so if all you’re spiders die from a den it’s not gone right then and could give you the time to let it regen.

1 hour ago, Dr.Webber said:

Ok what do want here you keep going back and forth on when you want it to be able to be destroyed

I want it to be destroyed using a tool but idk what tool you would use for the tent version, maybe a razor or a hammer but it still feels attackable. Yet again tents are made of silk yet fine from damaging attacks.

[Dr.Webber]

4 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Maybe 10 spider deaths will cause all the trinkets to break, the trinkets could also be repaired over time with maybe extra homemade den perks in the skills. Though that feels a bit unfair as 1 aoe boss would wipe them out, 15 maybe so if all you’re spiders die from a den it’s not gone right then and could give you the time to let it regen.

How long would they take to regen

 

4 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

I want it to be destroyed using a tool but idk what tool you would use for the tent version, maybe a razor or a hammer but it still feels attackable. Yet again tents are made of silk yet fine from damaging attacks.

Maybe the razor might be it could be collapsible when nothing’s in it like Walter’s tent

OK, do you think I should replace the old friendship bracelets idea with paper plate mask sort of thing

[Creatingabe1125]

7 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

How long would they take to regen

 

Depends on the skills you have but let say for the very least 5 days maybe or 2.5 days? But idk what it should be exactly though.

7 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

Maybe the razor might be it could be collapsible when nothing’s in it like Walter’s tent

OK, do you think I should replace the old friendship bracelets idea with paper plate mask sort of thing

But wouldn’t the spiders mark it as their home? Though you can do the same to other homes so maybe.

What if you had a spider plush on you’re head to become neutral to all spiders but not sure about spider queen. Similar to Witt’s mosquito plush and the rabbit hat.

[Dr.Webber]

7 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

What if you had a spider plush on you’re head to become neutral to all spiders but not sure about spider queen. Similar to Witt’s mosquito plush and the rabbit hat

If we do that, it would do the arts and crafts vibe. I’m trying to give it.

 

7 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

But wouldn’t the spiders mark it as their home? Though you can do the same to other homes so maybe.

Which one razor or collapsible

 

7 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Depends on the skills you have but let say for the very least 5 days maybe or 2.5 days? But idk what it should be exactly though.

What do you think should be used to start the regen

[Creatingabe1125]

4 minutes ago, Dr.Webber said:

If we do that, it would do the arts and crafts vibe. I’m trying to give it.

 

Which one razor or collapsible

 

What do you think should be used to start the regen

Okay

probably hammer as it’s what used for most structures. And I did say razor or hammer.

just naturally or basically as soon as it loses durability.

[Dr.Webber]

5 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

probably hammer as it’s what used for most structures. And I did say razor or hammer.

 

But the homemade den is mostly silk so wouldn’t it make sense to do the razor instead 

 

5 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Okay

I think auto correct  messed it up what I meant was the plush idea doesn’t work with the arts and crafts vibe I’m going for so do you think I should go for this:

slightly smaller spoilage time, then the clever disguise

all spiders are neutral, including spider queen, but you can’t befriend any of them 

Puts off a small amount of light at night

A certain number of papyrus, beard hair, and silk + 6 light bulbs and two twigs(The twig item on the ground has three individual trig so that’s why I’m only doing two too get the six

could you help me come up with the numbers for papyrus, beard hair, and silk also do you think I should add hounds teeth or just have the negative space of the papyrus be the teeth or if you think I should forgo the beard hair and just have the black parts to be drawn on

what do you think would be the perfect balance in between looking enough flex spiders that they don’t attack them and looking different enough from spiders that they aren’t able to be befriended by them

Edited September 13, 2024 by Dr.Webber

[Creatingabe1125]

3 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

But the homemade den is mostly silk so wouldn’t it make sense to do the razor instead

The tent can still be hammered and it’s made of silk.

3 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

I think auto correct  messed it up what I meant was the plush idea doesn’t work with the arts and crafts vibe I’m going for so do you think I should go for this:

slightly smaller spoilage time, then the clever disguise

all spiders are neutral, including spider queen, but you can’t befriend any of them 

Puts off a small amount of light at night

A certain number of papyrus, beard hair, and silk + 6 light bulbs and two twigs(The twig item on the ground has three individual trig so that’s why I’m only doing two too get the six

could you help me come up with the numbers for papyrus, beard hair, and silk also do you think I should add hounds teeth or just have the negative space of the papyrus be the teeth or if you think I should forgo the beard hair and just have the black parts to be drawn on

what do you think would be the perfect balance in between looking enough flex spiders that they don’t attack them and looking different enough from spiders that they aren’t able to be befriended by them

I just meant a plushie, the examples so happened to be spoil able which doesn’t make sense for the mosquito plush as the sack isn’t a perishable but I guess for balancing and maybe blood spoils outside the sack reasons.

and isn’t Wurt’s thing also crafts?

and i don’t mind the bracelet but I don’t think the hat is a bad idea.

and I would just do silk, bone shards, and gold for the bracelets. But I don’t dislike the idea of adding paper. And if you’re talking about a mask I don’t like it. But I would say the spider pass item would let you only befriend normal spiders with a limit.

[Dr.Webber]

1 hour ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

The tent can still be hammered and it’s made of silk.

Oh ya

 

1 hour ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

I just meant a plushie, the examples so happened to be spoil able which doesn’t make sense for the mosquito plush as the sack isn’t a perishable but I guess for balancing and maybe blood spoils outside the sack reasons.

and isn’t Wurt’s thing also crafts?

and i don’t mind the bracelet but I don’t think the hat is a bad idea.

and I would just do silk, bone shards, and gold for the bracelets. But I don’t dislike the idea of adding paper. And if you’re talking about a mask I don’t like it. But I would say the spider pass item would let you only befriend normal spiders with a limit.

When I mentioned the spoil ability, I wasn’t talking about the plus I was talking about the mask
 

crafts are more a general thing

worst thing is giving worms of glory sorta I don’t know how to put her thing exactly into words, but that’s her lore thing

Arts and crafts as a singular subject are related to Webber due to the den decorating kit so I wanted to expand upon that aspect of Webber through the baby spiders inheriting that quality from him as shown in the Care crafts skill

The bracelets are too similar to the accursed trinkets for me not to want to make it a similar thing due to their mutual connection to a unnatural energy and since you mentioned that some characters wouldn’t feel comfortable or dislike spiders so I’m avoiding the bracelet route 

what if instead of the bracelet it’s some craft that involves for warrior spiders and it’s like an escort

[Dr.Webber]

Improved concept design for homemade den

so the flag’s straighter

Do you think now that we’re going for the unlimited uses as long as they don’t die route I should remove the ability to share’s power with other nearby homemade dens

also, do you think I should add these two skills?

One that allows you to sleep better in dens

And another that allows you to sleep on the ground

[Creatingabe1125]

6 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

When I mentioned the spoil ability, I wasn’t talking about the plus I was talking about the mask
 

crafts are more a general thing

worst thing is giving worms of glory sorta I don’t know how to put her thing exactly into words, but that’s her lore thing

Arts and crafts as a singular subject are related to Webber due to the den decorating kit so I wanted to expand upon that aspect of Webber through the baby spiders inheriting that quality from him as shown in the Care crafts skill

The bracelets are too similar to the accursed trinkets for me not to want to make it a similar thing due to their mutual connection to a unnatural energy and since you mentioned that some characters wouldn’t feel comfortable or dislike spiders so I’m avoiding the bracelet route 

what if instead of the bracelet it’s some craft that involves for warrior spiders and it’s like an escort

I don’t think Webber should have a mask.

3 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

Improved concept design for homemade den

so the flag’s straighter

Do you think now that we’re going for the unlimited uses as long as they don’t die route I should remove the ability to share’s power with other nearby homemade dens

also, do you think I should add these two skills?

One that allows you to sleep better in dens

And another that allows you to sleep on the ground

I assume you mean gaining more sanity, warmth, and health from sleeping in dens. That yes but on the ground no

actually what if they don’t lose durability at all with just the perks themselves having cooldowns and it only applies to that den, but then you would need a lot of “spider trinkets” to apply the effect to you’re whole army.

[Dr.Webber]

7 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

That yes but on the ground no

Spider queen and All the other spiders can I’m not saying he should get good stats from sleeping on the ground just that he could do it 

also speaking of stats, how much should the sleeping in den stats increase?

 

7 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

actually what if they don’t lose durability at all with just the perks themselves having cooldowns and it only applies to that den, but then you would need a lot of “spider trinkets” to apply the effect to you’re whole army

How about a 90 second cool down?

[Creatingabe1125]

5 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

Spider queen and All the other spiders can I’m not saying he should get good stats from sleeping on the ground just that he could do it 

also speaking of stats, how much should the sleeping in den stats increase?

 

Spiders sleep on the floor when they don’t have a home, and plus gameplay wise it would be op

Idk and don’t feel like coming up with one rn.

5 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

How about a 90 second cool down?

For a spider’s dodge/block ability?

[Dr.Webber]

2 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

For a spider’s dodge/block ability?

The “spider trinkets”

[Creatingabe1125]

7 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

The “spider trinkets”

What if all spiders belonging to a den with a trinket automatically gets the trinket’s.