Ardcrumb Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 Ladies, citizens and gentlemen, its so over. As a proud Wilson main for the last 7 years. I would like to announce our return to mediocrity, its been a good few months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkemal23 Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 7 minutes ago, Ardcrumb said: Ladies, citizens and gentlemen, its so over. Spoiler No seriously, even if they change some numbers I would be so happy man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Daemon Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 Wait they removed wilsons perks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valase Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 1 minute ago, Golden Daemon said: Wait they removed wilsons perks? Yes, sadly the character is now dead and can no longer be pickable in the character selection screen. And as a memoir of his legacy, every character will have a skill tree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dextops Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 I don’t get this argument. He was still mediocre when his rework came out and these branches didn’t really affect anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ardcrumb Posted July 7 Author Share Posted July 7 49 minutes ago, Valase said: Yes, sadly the character is now dead and can no longer be pickable in the character selection screen. And as a memoir of his legacy, every character will have a skill tree. They shot him in the streets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonboooorn Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 That one dev from Klei who hates Wilson and suggests to add skill trees to everyone, killing already bland and boring Wilson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CameoAppearance Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 If they had just said they weren't giving Wilson anything huge and unique in his character rework because he has to stay as the baseline against which everyone else is measured and isn't supposed to have big drawbacks to balance powerful abilities against like Wigfrid's diet or Wendy's damage penalty, I would have gone "Yeah, that sounds fair," and rolled with it. It's not as if he's in a worse position now than he was pre-rework, he's still got gem transmutation and a powerful beard and, for some reason, the ability to throw torches around, but it feels like he lost something because he no longer stands out when everyone else is getting their own character-specific versions of what was supposedly his cool new character update thing and they're often better than what he got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EthanTheMime Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 old wilson was boring because he didn't try to be anything else--it was aesthetic, a vibe, if you will new wilson tried and ****** it up in front of everyone and it's just kind of embarrassing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybers2001 Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 What exactly is it about the new skill trees is a nerf to Wilson, even indirectly? Were you expecting Wilson to always be the planar dps master over Wolfgang? Did you want Woodie to continue being useless? Or are you just jealous of Wormwood's sick farming and flora/fauna crafting skills? Wilsons beard and transmute skills are still actually good, and feels worthwhile to play as him for in a group, if you used to play Wilson before his rework. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creatorofswamps Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 31 minutes ago, cybers2001 said: What exactly is it about the new skill trees is a nerf to Wilson, even indirectly? Were you expecting Wilson to always be the planar dps master over Wolfgang? Did you want Woodie to continue being useless? Or are you just jealous of Wormwood's sick farming and flora/fauna crafting skills? Wilsons beard and transmute skills are still actually good, and feels worthwhile to play as him for in a group, if you used to play Wilson before his rework. More individuality and more ability to connect with his efficiency with science and treatment (in the events he was a healer and some encouraging things make it clear that he is one of the survivors who figured out how to resurrect ). On the scientific side, we got alchemy. Although honestly he is more of a scientist inventor, so he could invent field scientific mechanisms. And instead of a topic with treatment and resurrection, they received a torch throwing. Yes, and in extreme cases, they can add a slowdown in spoiling food while it is in the beard (which would make him the number 1 character for long hikes in the beginning) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkemal23 Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 3 hours ago, cybers2001 said: What exactly is it about the new skill trees is a nerf to Wilson, even indirectly? Am I missing something? Who said that Wilson got nerfed? 3 hours ago, cybers2001 said: Were you expecting Wilson to always be the planar dps master over Wolfgang? I didn't see anybody say "I wish Wilson got a damage multiplier." People are just angry that his tree is missing a huge potential. Thats it. 3 hours ago, cybers2001 said: Did you want Woodie to continue being useless? No, of course not. I'm happy that he got the best skill tree. I don't get why people want the whole thing to be removed. It helped with so many issues of Woodie. 3 hours ago, cybers2001 said: Or are you just jealous of Wormwood's sick farming and flora/fauna crafting skills? Wormwood actually suffers the same problem with Wilson. Only diffirence is He at least got a nice endgame synergy. 3 hours ago, cybers2001 said: Wilsons beard and transmute skills are still actually good, Oh, and? What about torch skills? Notice how you didn't even mention them? This is the main problem. I'm okay with some less usefull stuff. You know, not everything has to be really usefull. Which is why I think Alchemy tab is perfect. But Torch tab is nothing but a waste of Wilson's potential. 3 hours ago, cybers2001 said: Wilsons beard and transmute skills are still actually good, and feels worthwhile to play as him for in a group, if you used to play Wilson before his rework. Of coruse it feels good. Because he literally had no special abilities before his rework. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybers2001 Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 6 hours ago, mkemal23 said: Am I missing something? Who said that Wilson got nerfed? So why didn’t a “Wilson support thread” pop up half a year ago instead of now? 6 hours ago, mkemal23 said: Oh, and? What about torch skills? Notice how you didn't even mention them? This is the main problem. I'm okay with some less usefull stuff. You know, not everything has to be really usefull. Which is why I think Alchemy tab is perfect. But Torch tab is nothing but a waste of Wilson's potential. same goes for every character, though. Wolfgang and Woodie both have some weak perks that will never get used, and of course there’s Wormwood’s tree… Though torch perks can be useful, at least, for clearing miasma around shadow rifts. 6 hours ago, mkemal23 said: Of coruse it feels good. Because he literally had no special abilities before his rework Personally, I’d play post-rework Wilson over Webber, Willow, Wortox, Wigfrid and Wes, whereas pre-rework Wilson would sit at the bottom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-met Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 I main Wilson and I have no idea how other chars having skill trees changes anything. He still got his own perks lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bee PichiL Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 4 hours ago, cybers2001 said: So why didn’t a “Wilson support thread” pop up half a year ago instead of now? same goes for every character, though. Wolfgang and Woodie both have some weak perks that will never get used, and of course there’s Wormwood’s tree… Though torch perks can be useful, at least, for clearing miasma around shadow rifts. Personally, I’d play post-rework Wilson over Webber, Willow, Wortox, Wigfrid and Wes, whereas pre-rework Wilson would sit at the bottom. Buddy, do you seriously think now that six months ago there were no people who didn't like the rework? Do you think that there were no people who offered to somehow improve the perks and mechanics of the skill tree? Of course, there were not as many dissatisfied with Wilson's rework as there were dissatisfied with Wolfgang's rework, but this is because there are not so many of us Wilson mainers. Apparently, we will remain Wilson mainers, who will never be taken seriously... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonetribe Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 On 7/7/2023 at 10:12 AM, Dextops said: I don’t get this argument. He was still mediocre when his rework came out and these branches didn’t really affect anything The thing is, by giving everyone else a skill tree they've essentially and retroactively made Wilson's refresh pointless. The other characters will still have the slew of changes and new stuff from their respective refreshes in addition to whatever perks they'll get from their own skill trees whereas Wilson's entire refresh was just the skill tree and pretty much nothing else. (Sure there was a new boss, but that wasn't really a part of his refresh outside the drops being made into an extension of his transmuting skills) And like CameoAppearance mentioned if they wanted to keep WIlson they way he was with minimal changes, well I'd still be disappointed personally, but it'd be understandable. I think it's just that a lot of Wilson mains would have much rather preferred Klei being transparent about it from the get go rather than find out that he isn't actually going to have his own refresh like this. There's probably a better way to word it, but that's the best I can explain it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Giggio Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 21 hours ago, mkemal23 said: Am I missing something? Who said that Wilson got nerfed? Its just people being dramatic cuz the exclusivity syndrome isnt hitting anymore, he still get his alchemist perks, beard and torch stuff and yada yada yada Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fufuji Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creatorofswamps Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 19 hours ago, Bee PichiL said: Apparently, we will remain Wilson mainers, who will never be taken seriously... It's sad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BezKa Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 Credit to a buddy on a private DST fan server. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_zwb Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 29 minutes ago, BezKa said: Credit to a buddy on a private DST fan server. Well, Wilson is already referred as the fool in Charlie's little drama Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pomato Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 1 hour ago, BezKa said: Credit to a buddy on a private DST fan server. I feel for you, brother. We are more like clowns than the mute mime himself. Oh well. My reaction to this skill tree madness is just stone cold. Got used to it. Speaking of discord, I wonder if the Klei official discord group is still up. Has anyone been there lately? What's it like in there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_zwb Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 On 7/8/2023 at 3:23 PM, Well-met said: I main Wilson and I have no idea how other chars having skill trees changes anything. He still got his own perks lol. Right, his perks. I don't think the torch perks are anywhere near the new skills others get. It really makes him look like a clown more than Wes does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkemal23 Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 1 hour ago, BezKa said: Credit to a buddy on a private DST fan server. We waited four years for his rework and we got a pretty mediocre one. Which is fine(I also think Wilson should stay as the simplest character). Now everyone is getting a skilltree Which is again, fine. The heartbreaking part is how well the new skilltrees are designed compared to Wilson's one. Not only that, I'm still sad that we lost one of the best idle animation(s) and got no explanation why it was removed. There was also no worthwhile hotfixes, no rhymes with play, no important lore in his animation. When you compared his rework to Maxwell's one it felt so underwhelming that most people thought that Klei just wanted to finish all the reworks as fast as posible. I love klei, and I trust them a lot. But this guy is right. Wilson is the gentelman scientist that created the Seafaring tab, Farming tab and the Mad science tab. He is the one who defeated Maxwell and sat down on Nightmare Throne. And all he got was a fricking torch tab that can't even compete with a lantern. That trully makes me feel like a clown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarbageCabbage Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 Klei not knowing what to do with Wilson would've been way more acceptable if they passed off his rework as a normal update and his animation should've been postponed for a story relevant update since it didn't show us anything new ingame like context for the werepig boss and why he can suddenly do what his skill tree lets him. What disappoints me the most is that Wilson's biggest factor is he has no downsides. It looks like every other character will either have none or very little with enough grinding, making Wilson have even less appeal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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