Theukon-dos Posted April 16, 2022 Share Posted April 16, 2022 As it stands, having both a nightvision circuit and a light circuit seems extremely redundant. Especially sense they both cost the same amount of notches and the Nightvision one is better in 95% of situations. Technically you could remove the Illumination circuit instead, but ehhhhh I like it better conceptually. I'm not a sadist though, so I did come up with something to replace it Dynashell Circuit "Hardens in response to physical trauma" -crafting description Crafted with 4 notes and 1 shell shard Unlocked by scanning either Snurtles, Slurtles, or Rockjaws When this shell is equiped, getting hit has a chance to summon a shell-shield. This shield works identically to the Thulecite crown's shield, only getting hit while it's active doesn't cost sanity. However, the more damage you take with the shield active increases the cooldown of the shield. So yeah, that's all I have to say really. Loving the rework so far. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/139216-remove-and-replace-the-optoelectronic-circuit/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baark0 Posted April 16, 2022 Share Posted April 16, 2022 gonna have to disagree, cause 1. perma night vision is way cooler and more fun, and 2. it makes more sense that wx would prefer a purely "selfish" upgrade over one that would help others, and while sure they do have upgrades that help others, its more of a by product then what the circuit was made for (heat circuit is meant to keep wx warm, music circuit is meant to play music) pls klei dont remove perma night vision Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/139216-remove-and-replace-the-optoelectronic-circuit/#findComment-1558768 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theukon-dos Posted April 16, 2022 Author Share Posted April 16, 2022 2 minutes ago, Baark0 said: gonna have to disagree, cause 1. perma night vision is way cooler and more fun, and 2. it makes more sense that wx would prefer a purely "selfish" upgrade over one that would help others, and while sure they do have upgrades that help others, its more of a by product then what the circuit was made for (heat circuit is meant to keep wx warm, music circuit is meant to play music) pls klei dont remove perma night vision I mean as I said, the suggestion works just as well with removing the illumination circuit. The point is to remove redundancy. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/139216-remove-and-replace-the-optoelectronic-circuit/#findComment-1558769 Share on other sites More sharing options...
carralas Posted April 16, 2022 Share Posted April 16, 2022 they're not redundant. one is intended for solo play and the other is for group play. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/139216-remove-and-replace-the-optoelectronic-circuit/#findComment-1558771 Share on other sites More sharing options...
00petar00 Posted April 16, 2022 Share Posted April 16, 2022 24 minutes ago, carralas said: they're not redundant. one is intended for solo play and the other is for group play. How many times have you actually followed someone with lantern or torch when you didn't have light? Probably pretty rarely and if you do it often its just a waste of time where you could be doing something more productive if you had light like walking in the direction you need to go for your next objective. Also i'd rather see Illumination circuit removed compared to Optoelectronic circuit, WX-78 is supposed to not be a team player. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/139216-remove-and-replace-the-optoelectronic-circuit/#findComment-1558779 Share on other sites More sharing options...
VouMorrer Posted April 16, 2022 Share Posted April 16, 2022 i really dont see why we should remove the light circuit. if you want to use the moggles, use the moggles, if you want to use the light use the light! they do not exclude each other. if people wants to use it for team play, why not? i personally would do it. having both is really not hurting anybody Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/139216-remove-and-replace-the-optoelectronic-circuit/#findComment-1558804 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheggf Posted April 16, 2022 Share Posted April 16, 2022 2 hours ago, Theukon-dos said: When this shell is equiped, getting hit has a chance to summon a shell-shield. This shield works identically to the Thulecite crown's shield, only getting hit while it's active doesn't cost sanity. However, the more damage you take with the shield active increases the cooldown of the shield A chance AND a cool down? Are you sure you're not a sadist? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/139216-remove-and-replace-the-optoelectronic-circuit/#findComment-1558811 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theukon-dos Posted April 16, 2022 Author Share Posted April 16, 2022 2 minutes ago, Cheggf said: A chance AND a cool down? Are you sure you're not a sadist? I mean that's how the crown works. Chance to activate on hit, 9 second cooldown once it activates. Not much different really Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/139216-remove-and-replace-the-optoelectronic-circuit/#findComment-1558812 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jan Mele Posted April 16, 2022 Share Posted April 16, 2022 1 hour ago, 00petar00 said: How many times have you actually followed someone with lantern or torch when you didn't have light? Probably pretty rarely and if you do it often its just a waste of time where you could be doing something more productive if you had light like walking in the direction you need to go for your next objective. I often do this while clearing the ruins with other people, usually when entering and exiting the place. Not sure what's the range for WX's upgrade tho. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/139216-remove-and-replace-the-optoelectronic-circuit/#findComment-1558813 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left 4 Sharkb8 Posted April 16, 2022 Share Posted April 16, 2022 2 hours ago, Theukon-dos said: "Hardens in response to physical trauma" "WHY WON'T YOU DIE?!?" "Nanomachines, son." Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/139216-remove-and-replace-the-optoelectronic-circuit/#findComment-1558814 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theukon-dos Posted April 16, 2022 Author Share Posted April 16, 2022 1 minute ago, Left 4 Sharkbai said: "WHY WON'T YOU DIE?!?" "Nanomachines, son." "You can't hurt me Charlie!" Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/139216-remove-and-replace-the-optoelectronic-circuit/#findComment-1558815 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheggf Posted April 16, 2022 Share Posted April 16, 2022 12 minutes ago, Theukon-dos said: I mean that's how the crown works. Chance to activate on hit, 9 second cooldown once it activates. Not much different really Crown also gives 90% DR and doesn't scale its cool down with damage received. WX's "this item but circuit" are as good or better than their item counterpart because you're picking them as character perks and one of those perks you could instead be choosing is movement speed. Moggles are normal, light circuit is normal (and weak), shock circuit is like a super souped up bramble husk, jellybean circuit also gives sanity (and is weak), the thermal stone ones are like infinitely working stones that also affect other players. Maybe if it was a chance with a set short cd and was only 2 slots it wouldn't be too bad but a chance and a scaling cool down makes it a really unattractive choice. It's already a niche pick that's mostly just useful in like 3 situations. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/139216-remove-and-replace-the-optoelectronic-circuit/#findComment-1558818 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CameoAppearance Posted April 16, 2022 Share Posted April 16, 2022 1 hour ago, 00petar00 said: How many times have you actually followed someone with lantern or torch when you didn't have light? Probably pretty rarely and if you do it often its just a waste of time where you could be doing something more productive if you had light like walking in the direction you need to go for your next objective. Plenty of times in the caves/ruins, actually! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/139216-remove-and-replace-the-optoelectronic-circuit/#findComment-1558820 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sudoku Posted April 16, 2022 Share Posted April 16, 2022 Illumimation is also useful for fighting with your teammates at night. Like when the deerclops spawns or a boss fight carries into the night. Now youd probably have other ciruits equiped for boss fighting but it still provides use. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/139216-remove-and-replace-the-optoelectronic-circuit/#findComment-1558881 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArubaroBeefalo Posted April 16, 2022 Share Posted April 16, 2022 i like having both options, is already done and doesnt disturb so why removing one of them? just dont use the one you dont like Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/139216-remove-and-replace-the-optoelectronic-circuit/#findComment-1558894 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copyafriend Posted April 16, 2022 Share Posted April 16, 2022 14 hours ago, 00petar00 said: How many times have you actually followed someone with lantern or torch when you didn't have light? When im playing two man with a close friend almost constantly, and thats just to save two grass and twigs a night 13 hours ago, Cheggf said: Crown also gives 90% DR and doesn't scale its cool down with damage received. Okay, wear a football helmet and have a shield save your life when swarmed. Its got use, its not incredible, but it has a definite use when it comes to swarming enemies, my only problem would be telling when the circuit is on cooldown Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/139216-remove-and-replace-the-optoelectronic-circuit/#findComment-1559093 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just-guy Posted April 16, 2022 Share Posted April 16, 2022 Why not just make the Optoelectronic Circuit require the Illumination Circuit? Similar how the Acceleration Circuit 2.0 requires the normal Acceleration Circuit. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/139216-remove-and-replace-the-optoelectronic-circuit/#findComment-1559254 Share on other sites More sharing options...
00petar00 Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 8 hours ago, Copyafriend said: When im playing two man with a close friend almost constantly, and thats just to save two grass and twigs a night It is not really efficient unless you are doing ruins rush/caves content. Saving a twigs or grass shouldn't be a priority when you can do so much more with a torch on your own to make up for the cost easily, also why not use lantern? First thing i do on any world is prioritize making lantern as soon as possible as it saves on so much resources the more you use it instead of a torch. I understand playing with someone and wanting to be with them but even when i play with my friends we don't stay grouped all the time. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/139216-remove-and-replace-the-optoelectronic-circuit/#findComment-1559284 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copyafriend Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 27 minutes ago, 00petar00 said: It is not really efficient unless you are doing ruins “ItS nOT eFFiCIEnT!!!111 i do not care Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/139216-remove-and-replace-the-optoelectronic-circuit/#findComment-1559295 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArubaroBeefalo Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 nobody share light when more than 1 player are going in the same direction? come one, be realistic Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/139216-remove-and-replace-the-optoelectronic-circuit/#findComment-1559375 Share on other sites More sharing options...
00petar00 Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 6 hours ago, Copyafriend said: “ItS nOT eFFiCIEnT!!!111 i do not care You shouldn't be writing anything in WX-78 update threads if you don't care about how his abilities are balanced. 25 minutes ago, ArubaroBeefalo said: nobody share light when more than 1 player are going in the same direction? come one, be realistic Sharing light isn't that useful and is quite annoying, you always have to watch out not to leave the guy without light behind in the dark and he literally has to follow you and stop when you do. Also it seems like most of you are actually ignoring his lore, that he hates all living matter, that's why he isn't supposed to have circuits that help anyone else. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/139216-remove-and-replace-the-optoelectronic-circuit/#findComment-1559380 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copyafriend Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 3 hours ago, 00petar00 said: You shouldn't be writing anything in WX-78 update threads if you don't care about how his abilities are balanced. Sharing light isn't that useful and is quite annoying, you always have to watch out not to leave the guy without light behind in the dark and he literally has to follow you and stop when you do. I do care about wx. i dont care about other peoples opinions on how i play my game. I share light, personally i dont like the moggles because they cant see what im fighting or where i am in a two person group. This is the second time when ive replied that i dont care if something competes well against other characters and someone went “well why are you here” dang i just like wx and want him to have powers. But this isnt a competition between characters. It they make him have 100 of all stats and reduce his slots to 5 it could still be fun to play him as a semi challenge character. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/139216-remove-and-replace-the-optoelectronic-circuit/#findComment-1559411 Share on other sites More sharing options...
00petar00 Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 6 minutes ago, Copyafriend said: I do care about wx. i dont care about other peoples opinions on how i play my game. I share light, personally i dont like the moggles because they cant see what im fighting or where i am in a two person group. This is the second time when ive replied that i dont care if something competes well against other characters and someone went “well why are you here” dang i just like wx and want him to have powers. But this isnt a competition between characters. It they make him have 100 of all stats and reduce his slots to 5 it could still be fun to play him as a semi challenge character. I am sorry if it felt like that but i didn't tell you how you have to play the game, if i say that something is inefficient or lackluster in a thread discussing balance it is just my thoughts on it. In this case i was comparing illumination with optoelectronic as to me it doesn't seem efficient to ever pick illumination over it unless there are a lot of other people playing with you. Character update/balance threads are there to discuss everything in its entirety, that comes with comparing characters, comparing abilities that look similar and how they mix/match and so on. There needs to be balance even in a team based game, there doesn't need to be more challenge characters as having one is enough to fulfill that role for people that enjoy that as most players don't like seeing other characters being much better compared to their mains. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/139216-remove-and-replace-the-optoelectronic-circuit/#findComment-1559415 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copyafriend Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 19 minutes ago, 00petar00 said: I am sorry if it felt like that but i didn't tell you how you have to play the game, In this case i was comparing illumination with optoelectronic as to me it doesn't seem efficient to ever pick illumination over it unless there are a lot of other people playing with you. Character update/balance threads are there to discuss everything in its entirety, that comes with comparing characters, comparing abilities that look similar and how they mix/match and so on. There needs to be balance even in a team based game, there doesn't need to be more challenge characters as having one is enough to fulfill that role for people that enjoy that as most players don't like seeing other characters being much better compared to their mains. 1. You kind of did. I just said i share torches all the time, and you whined at me, that my own playstyle, was inefficient, therefore devaluing it. 2-3 then dont pick the optoelectronic circuit, its still infinite light and as such deserves a high cost of four. He’s the only character with a permanent solution to darkness, (which is also many many times better than the previous basically permanent solution in the form of willows lighter (which is no longer permanent) because you dont even need to hold or wear it) but it shouldn’t be cheap. I want to use it, and i will and have been. Honestly I’ll probably use it in my solo lights out too because i dont like to trivialize my challenges, but you are free to play lights out and socket the sanity module and the moggle one and basically play in daytime all the time, its just not how i like to do it. Saying its not as good as x and should be cheaper as a result doesn’t make sense in this context, as if it was an upgrade all its own you wouldn’t have complained about its price. It would have just been wxs strongest perk with a high cost, perfect for ruins rushing. 4. balance is a word used when people dont like how effective things are. Its got its uses sure. But anything from “kinda useless” to “kind of op is 100% balanced, and wx right now, with zero upgrades. Counts as balanced. Hes only a little weaker than wilson, he’s got a perk that lets him use food that is otherwise useless at 100% efficiency, and needs to be careful in rain. He’s balanced with no perks, but thats not fun. There is no meta, its a one to six player game. Unless you’re speedrunning it does not matter if he’s better or worse than other characters. As long as he’s unique and fun people will play him. Case in point: wormwood. Pre farming update, he was considered a challenge character, and some people complained about making him easier. Because he has a harder time healing than others, to the point where you had 3-4 ways of healing, and most of them involved fighting something. Some people loved that (myself included) but i love new wormwood too. He was made stronger, and given a speed buff and the ability to tend. (All of which wx has, the only thing wormwood has on him now is planting without a hoe) tldr: stop caring about balance, anything from wanda to wes levels of power is within the realm of balance, lets just try not to power creep too hard. stop caring about “efficiency”. Most players dont try their hardest to play efficiently because they dont want to play this game like its a job their being scored at. the optoelectronic circuit should be 4 slots, being weaker than the other four slot light source is a reason to make the other one more expensive, not this one cheaper. Its a permanent slot free light source. Wear bone armor and a thulecite crown with it if you want, something you couldn’t do with the EC. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/139216-remove-and-replace-the-optoelectronic-circuit/#findComment-1559422 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dextops Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 On 4/17/2022 at 9:16 AM, Copyafriend said: stop caring about balance, yet you get into arguments about what should be done with the optoelectronic circuit which most of these discussions pertain to the balance of it. Wanda really isn't as op as people think they are and shouldn't be used for a reason on why balance/efficiency doesn't matter. While I don't think balance should take priority over how fun a character is it shouldn't be neglected since these things go hand in hand but saying to just stop caring about it is like getting into a political discussion but all your arguments are mathematical formulas Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/139216-remove-and-replace-the-optoelectronic-circuit/#findComment-1560187 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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