intentional? Is Beefalo unable to be mounted when he does the Saddle Drop Animation intended?

[_oPt_]

Since the last patch I have had this doubt, now it is possible to wake them up while they are sleeping, it is a bit slower than before, but it works, however this has me a bit intrigued, spamming the "ride" action while the beefalo does its refusal animation was funny, but it was also useful as you could do it while the beefalo was doing its drop saddle animation, this was extremely useful in times of urgency like a hound attack, etc, it helps not to miss one of the 5 uses of the saddle which is not precisely cheap, so now being impossible to do that and helplessly watching your saddle lose one of its uses is quite sad, but is this intentional?

Or was the above  all the time never intended to be possible to do?

 

Steps to recreate:

1)Put a saddle on a beefalo after feeding it, hold your mouse over it, and wait for it to do its drop saddle animation which has a characteristic sound. 

2)When it does, you will see how the option to ride it that appeared under its name a few moments ago, disappears during its drop animation, preventing you from doing anything about it unlike 2 patches ago. 

[Faintly Macabre]

I am like 99.9% certain it was never intentional that you could cheese the beefalo shaking off its saddle with an animation cancel. It was probably just not worth fixing on its own.

[_oPt_]

11 minutes ago, Faintly Macabre said:

I am like 99.9% certain it was never intentional that you could cheese the beefalo shaking off its saddle with an animation cancel. It was probably just not worth fixing on its own.

I see...

I mean, it seemed strange to me, because it has been something that has been intact for years since the domestication was implemented to Together and then to Don't Starve, and that it was suddenly corrected so long after getting used to it as a matter of fact it feels weird.. but well, you're right, it probably never was a trhing

[Cheggf]

27 minutes ago, Faintly Macabre said:

I am like 99.9% certain it was never intentional that you could cheese the beefalo shaking off its saddle with an animation cancel. It was probably just not worth fixing on its own.

Don't Starve players love to say cheese. Can't go five minutes without calling everything cheese. Being close enough to the beefalo to react in time and actually reacting in time is difficult to do.

[Faintly Macabre]

29 minutes ago, Cheggf said:

Don't Starve players love to say cheese. Can't go five minutes without calling everything cheese. Being close enough to the beefalo to react in time and actually reacting in time is difficult to do.

I was just using it as a shorthand for "exploiting unintended behavior to bypass the intended procedure," which I'm guessing is what other people are using it for, too. I see plenty of video gamers using it that way. Implying it was trivial to accomplish wasn't the idea.

[_oPt_]

1 hour ago, Cheggf said:

Don't Starve players love to say cheese. Can't go five minutes without calling everything cheese. Being close enough to the beefalo to react in time and actually reacting in time is difficult to do.

Exact! that's a point!

I understand what Faintly Macabre means by "preventing something from happening with the intention of it happening", but it wasn't exactly easy or something you did without caring too much about it almost assuming it wont happend.

You had about 0.5 seconds during the animation of shake of the beefalo in which to press right click at that moment to avoid the drop of the saddle, which was in turn, within the Idle state of the beefalo and the start of the shake animation was at a random moment, it could occur after that the beefalo did its animation asking for food, or it could happen immediately before that, in conclusion, it was not something easy and you had to learn the timing to get it, even if you knew the timing, there were times when you did not always achieve it because the beefalo decided to make the shake just in time when you were busy or off guard, so to feel honest...

If this was never a feature, I'd love to see it implemented as one! in which if you are fast enough you can avoid a loss of a use of the saddle, what do you guys think?

[ALCRD]

2 hours ago, OLIMON said:

If this was never a feature, I'd love to see it implemented as one! in which if you are fast enough you can avoid a loss of a use of the saddle, what do you guys think?

I would love a feature where occasionally hitting a beefalo with Tail of 3 Cats whip would increase obidience.

Whip these monsters into submission so they think twice about bucking me off or wasting my saddle durability.

[lowercase skye]

1 hour ago, ALCRD said:

I would love a feature where occasionally hitting a beefalo with Tail of 3 Cats whip would increase obidience.

a decent amount of people thought this was what you were supposed to do for domestication because it and the tail o three cats were added in the same update, and like... ew???? sure its a video game and stuff but going to be honest, i think it would be super gross if you were rewarded for whipping an animal while youre supposed to be developing a mutual bond with them

[-Variant]

1 hour ago, ALCRD said:

I would love a feature where occasionally hitting a beefalo with Tail of 3 Cats whip would increase obidience.

Seems like it was planned, there was a cut animation of the Beefalo cowering in fear of you after being whipped. It was named "whip_positive" assuming its the positive effect of the whip.

For one reason or another, it never made it into the final product. I assume there might've been a harsher way of getting them to cooperate planned.
I couldn't possibly bring myself to hurt them but I can't say I'm not curious what the full intent for the whip would've been like.

[Cheggf]

53 minutes ago, meow meow meow said:

a decent amount of people thought this was what you were supposed to do for domestication because it and the tail o three cats were added in the same update, and like... ew???? sure its a video game and stuff but going to be honest, i think it would be super gross if you were rewarded for whipping an animal while youre supposed to be developing a mutual bond with them

Asserting dominance of an animal and forcing them into submission has been a go to way of doing things since the start of domestication. Only very recently have people started to dislike it, and even then it's still done.

32 minutes ago, -Variant said:

Seems like it was planned, there was a cut animation of the Beefalo cowering in fear of you after being whipped. It was named "whip_positive" assuming its the positive effect of the whip.

For one reason or another, it never made it into the final product. I assume there might've been a harsher way of getting them to cooperate planned.
I couldn't possibly bring myself to hurt them but I can't say I'm not curious what the full intent for the whip would've been like.

That animation is so sad! I could never whip my beefalo buddy.

[Ohan]

Is dying when i reach 0 health intended? its kinda inconvenient… :-/

[lowercase skye]

9 hours ago, Cheggf said:

Asserting dominance of an animal and forcing them into submission has been a go to way of doing things since the start of domestication. Only very recently have people started to dislike it, and even then it's still done.

this describes a lot of bad things in the world yeah

[Primalflower]

I would despise if the game was trying to reward me for whipping an animal until its scared of me as part of a taming process. Its disgusting.

9 hours ago, Cheggf said:

Asserting dominance of an animal and forcing them into submission has been a go to way of doing things since the start of domestication. Only very recently have people started to dislike it, and even then it's still done.

This is worded as if its a bad thing that people are starting to take issue with X or Y morally scummy or bad thing. May I remind you how left handed people were treated in the past.

[Cheggf]

7 minutes ago, Primalflower said:

I would despise if the game was trying to reward me for whipping an animal until its scared of me as part of a taming process. Its disgusting.

So don't do it? The game already rewards you for killing sentient life in just about everything from beefalo to pigmen. You're fine with mass murdering something completely friendly to you with human level intelligence but not fine with being able to whip a cow?

9 hours ago, Ohan said:

Is dying when i reach 0 health intended? its kinda inconvenient… :-/

Were you unable to die at 0 health for years with it getting ported to a different game behaving the same way until suddenly out of nowhere an update added you dying at 0 health and something else that happens at 0 health which got marked as a bug and fixed?

[Ohan]

13 minutes ago, Cheggf said:

Were you unable to die at 0 health for years with it getting ported to a different game behaving the same way until suddenly out of nowhere an update added you dying at 0 health and something else that happens at 0 health which got marked as a bug and fixed?

Ummmm tldr.. i just think its inconvenient. Want to know if its intended 

 

[MondayNight]

4 minutes ago, meow meow meow said:

this describes a lot of bad things in the world yeah

A subjective and emotional take. Cold reality is, in nature, animals either assert dominance over their kin or are dominated by/taking on a submissive role - everything is hierarchical. And it extends beyond their specie, since animals are governed by instinct, not abstracting consciousness. That's the basis of domestication: asserting dominance and arrogating the Alpha/lead position; else the animal won't obey you. Indeed the level of violence applied varies in intensity and form, but that's the base - the "carrot & stick" approach. DST went with the "carrot" one, rightly so, since is a modern child-friendly cartoon game. Still, if it kept true to its DS "dark origins", and in-tune with fables of the old - in essence dark cautionary tales (meant to educate kids on dark-but-intrinsic aspects of the world), the "stick" facet of domestication would also be in (proven by that animation from game files). Is not "bad", is just is. If anything, solely another proof "good times makes weak people" (read it as "ill equipped to face reality"). Broad reality aka Nature is unapologetically vicious.

[lowercase skye]

19 minutes ago, Cheggf said:

So don't do it? The game already rewards you for killing sentient life in just about everything from beefalo to pigmen. You're fine with murdering something with nearly human intelligence but not fine with being able to whip a cow?

i feel weird about pigmen in general honestly: theyre a deep-set part of the game by this point in a way that i doubt theyll change, but no yeah i ABSOLUTELY feel weird about how theres a race of "dumb" tribal pig people who are absolutely intelligent but you have to either kill them or break down their houses in order to craft many items. i definitely prefer in hamlet where youre actively discouraged from killing the townsfolk, and instead repurpose other types of leather you get from swarms of bats.

that being said, i think it is disingenuous for you to act as if you dont see a difference between killing a thing for its loot in a video game, and abusing a cartoon animal which proceeds to cower in fear and being rewarded for such. i dont flinch every time i kill a random bandit in skyrim because that was a sentient life, no. but i absolutely feel an uncomfortable sad feeling in my chest whenever i think about that one deltarune ending where you mentally break a teenager into killing all of her friends. theres a difference in intent, weight, etc behind things in video games where one is generically killing something and it falls over and fades away, and the other is an involved process of actively hurting someone in a way that feels way more real.

1 minute ago, x0-VERSUS-1y said:

 Is not "bad", is just is. If anything, solely another proof "good times makes weak people" (read it as "ill equipped to face reality"). Broad reality aka Nature is unapologetically vicious.

i have literally no idea how to begin to explain to you the concept of caring about other people. life can suck and reality is hard so why is your response to that to go "lol. weak little snowflakes lol" rather than simply being nice to people and making what little change you can?

[Captain_Rage]

10 hours ago, -Variant said:

I couldn't possibly bring myself to hurt them

Until you recall every time a herd in heat trampled you to death for no good reason.

[BezKa]

 

I wouldn't be surprised if the reason it doesn't work anymore is the same thing that made them unable to be mounted while asleep and is just not significant enough to warrant a fix like the sleeping thing did. It's pretty annoying, sure, but taming Beefalos is an annoying process in general so what changed xD 

 

[Cheggf]

29 minutes ago, meow meow meow said:

that being said, i think it is disingenuous for you to act as if you dont see a difference between killing a thing for its loot in a video game, and abusing a cartoon animal

I think it's disingenuous for you to act as if "abuse" is somehow worse than mass murder? The pigmen do emotes too, you know.

[Primalflower]

10 minutes ago, Cheggf said:

I think it's disingenuous for you to act as if "abuse" is somehow worse than mass murder? The pigmen do emotes too, you know.

I think this might be the weakest attempt at an ultimate own I've ever seen in my life.

[ALCRD]

Damn looks like i unintentionally started an argument about animal abuse. Oops

Animal abuse is bad mkay.

However Beefalos are pure evil demonic creatures that demand hefty tribute for their services and still will attempt to kill the very person that cares for them and feeds them.

I actually take back what i said about using whip on them to force obidience..

Spoiler

..Morning Star would be a better option for that.

 

[Mike23Ua]

A Beefalo is similar to a Horse- so I take it some of you have never ever ever EVER played Red Dead Redemption or RDR 2, Want to use children game examples? Fine- MARIO, TOY STORY..

OMG I swear people have become so overly sensitive to every little thing in todays “not-so” Modern world.

Pretty much in every game EVER you always “Whip” a horse with its leash, OR you stab it with the Metal Spurs on your boots to go faster, in Ark Survival Evolved you can “Whip” Animals that don’t have saddles to get them to move (this is extra especially true if the animal is blocking your way into a door or to their feeding troughs)

A Beefalo is NOT your friend… at least not at first, it is a wild animal out in the wilderness, and I’m not talking about a little Kitten or a Puppy- This thing is more like stumbling upon a wild Horse or a Wild Tiger.

How did they train tigers in the Circus? I assure you it wasn’t by the first thing they did was extend their arm out towards them for a nice little pet.

And if you want MY opinion on the feature being in DST- It would’ve given the Tail’O’Three Cats & Bullkelp Whips more purpose because currently they are both kinda useless.. As far as DST being a childrens game, this is also equally false- DST is Officially rated 13+ (Teen in the USA)

I guess we are going to completely over look the fact that to even get these “Whips” you have to kill a bunch of (mostly defenseless) “Cute Meat”???

??????? We need to stop trying to “Pretend” DST is a child friendly fantasy game.. that would overall be better for future Development of the franchise.

[lowercase skye]

3 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

How did they train tigers in the Circus?

they abused them so they could entertain us for like 20 minutes while we eat overpriced popcorn yea, this was also bad

[MondayNight]

On 4/10/2022 at 7:31 PM, meow meow meow said:

i have literally no idea how to begin to explain to you the concept of caring about other people. life can suck and reality is hard so why is your response to that to go "lol. weak little snowflakes lol" rather than simply being nice to people and making what little change you can?

The thing is.. you don't have to, is beside the point. Irl world is vicious and so is DST's. Yet: solely a game. You nevertheless can learn "hard truths", like with any work of art not treating its watchers/consumers via "silk gloves". Still no need to take it that seriously, that's the idea. Some people will tame beefs, some will "yeet" them on sight, en mass even - "different strokes for different folks", KLei gives options (you can binge-kill, burn & pillage everything on Constant's land to the point of making it barren); and the more choices - the better. Is not about "promoting" something, but having alternatives in Open World quintessence. As stated, we already got the "carrot" approach to domestication - and in the "chillax" Sandbox spirit, if stretching concepts. For equilibrium, alternatives and in "uncompromising" Survival ethos (likewise, in-tune with "dark cautionary tales" idea) we could also have said "stick" way to go at domestication. Both with bons and cons maybe. You won't need to interact with such a mechanic, however others willing to, could - it won't affect your game-play or life philosophy. DST had a lot of updates on the Sandbox lane, perhaps is time hardcore Survival gets some needed attention too, on the dark & whimsical note, as it should for a DS sequel. Playing a game as you want, on your world, has 0 to do with "caring about people" - unless you dwell in pubs, and there you got bigger problems in form of straight-out trolls and griefers (yes, those truly ravel in people's misery - and KLei apparently condones it). Lastly it shouldn't matter to you if people from the web "care about other people" over Internet or not - when all's said and done we're all black text on digital paper, total strangers, most forever incognito aside some random avatar.