I hand an epiphany, maybe I sound dumb idk

[ArubaroBeefalo]

33 minutes ago, JustExo said:

But she still has access to her various watches whereas wolfgang can't even throw his dumbbells outside of mighty form

so? normal form doesnt have downsides. Wolfgang isnt wanda, his gameplay isnt about managing various form but be the mightiest

i forgot to mention that her backstep watch range change with age so is another thing to add

[JustExo]

3 minutes ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

so? normal form doesnt have downsides. Wolfgang isnt wanda, his gameplay isnt about managing various form but be the mightiest

i forgot to mention that her backstep watch range change with age so is another thing to add

Why bring up Wanda in comparison to wolfgang if the two aren't alike 

[Mike23Ua]

Can we please stop comparing Wolfgang to Wanda, or basing how he plays off a few YouTube/Twitch streamers? That would be great, it’s Christmas Eve guys.. and while I know not everyone celebrates Christmas: it’s still the time of year where people should genuinely at least “try” to be nicer to one another, I believe that Klei knows exactly what they want for Wolfgang.. & they did not nerf him based on a few opinions of a select few, if Klei felt his speed removal had to go there’s likely a underlying cause for it. & since Speed has been discussed to the point I’m sick of it, can we instead talk about what it means to truly feel Puny/Average/Mighty?

Me being Skinny myself: I can tell you with absolute certainty that if I don’t eat or snack when my body feels it’s hungry I will get sick, like physically & deeply sick.. I lose energy to want to do anything, and if I go to long before eating: I’m to sick to try to eat later.

Thats what it’s like to be Shaggy levels Puny, Him constantly raiding the fridge with Scoob isn’t just a cartoon thing: Some people actually have metabolisms like that.

Us skinny people will eat you out of house and home, never gain much weight, and STILL be Hungry.

I bring all this up Because Wolfgang’s Hunger used to drain at 3x rate, and it probably drained at that rate to capture the Puny little man who eats the whole fridge: The problem with that was Newer players would eat your fridges out because the game did not teach them any better.

Klei has instead opted to make his Muscle drain, and to keep that old feel: It drains faster based on how hungry he is- I feel like this is a fair trade off for casual players who want to enjoy playing Wolfgang..

Sure it’s far removed from how Wolfgang mains played him: But it also makes the character more accessible to a broader audience without completely butchering his identity.

I like the changes Klei did with this rework, no joke I genuinely think they’re good, but there is room for improvements, and now that Speed & Faster hunger drain no longer define him: Klei needs to double down on fun & interesting ways to be Puny/Average/Mighty.

Not just in Combat, but outside of it as well.

I wouldn’t be opposed to letting Puny Wolfgang Move faster: If they also made him mine, chop, and gather resources Slower.. 

I don’t think he should get weird powers for socketing gems into his Dumbell though like teleportation, at that point your not even playing Wolfgang anymore.. your playing some Wortox knockoff.

[Yuuko]

1 hour ago, JustExo said:

Why bring up Wanda in comparison to wolfgang if the two aren't alike 

I think its fair to compare them on a general level.  Wolfgang's biggest perk is dps equal to Wanda.  I think its perfectly fair to ask why Wanda would get that perk, and so many others perks, while Wolfgang was left to just the one.  The biggest disappointment with this "refresh" is that it failed to stay true to the original, yet also failed to go far enough to reframe him.

If he's going to be "big ez dps" then he's got to have a kit that supports him.  If he's going to have "set up, spend time, STILL manage food, etc" then he's got to have perks that are worth it.  Instead he's caught in the middle, a very straight forward reward with convoluted setup that can easily out weigh the advantage his perk bestows.

This compares to Wanda - one of the best designed characters they've added to dst - in that her kit involves "set up, spend time, always manage time meter," but comes with MANY rewards for it.

It also compares to Wigfrid - A very basic kit with some fluff added for long term / cooperative play.  Her main power is exactly what she starts with, what she always is, bonus damage, bonus tankiness, health recovery.  You can ignore her bar and crafts entirely and have an enjoyable character that rewards you for your play style.

Klei needs to pick a lane with Wolfgang.  Is he going to be a simple character, with a basic perk?  Then take away all the costly and complicated upkeep.  Do they want him to be more complicated?  Then add in a reward worth doing that for.  Otherwise, there is no reason to pick Wolfgang over Wigfrid.  Anything he can do with his 2x damage boost she can do without any of his setup.  This is a race she handily wins in the current build.

There have been several player suggestions that I think would work to make his kit make sense, even keeping the speed out - but as it sits I expect any Wolfgang player is either 1) going to want more for the upkeep they're tasked with, 2) going to want simpler upkeep to match his basic perks, or 3) distracted lifting weights and doesn't realize they've spend so much extra time gathering resources and dealing with the meter that his 2x damage is slower than Wilson.

[Bellium]

12 hours ago, Lex the Grim said:

So they can control their meters? Every other character gets to control their unique perks, whether it's their items, or whether they're blooming, or their abilities are just on all the time.

The suggestions I made have literal tradeoffs: you can't be Mighty and speedy. You either move fast and hit like a wet noodle, or you move normal and get some decent perks and the big damage modifier. Or you're baseline, and your only perk is a damage buff equivalent to the other character who's focus is combat, except you don't get all the other cool stuff she gets, just slightly higher health and hunger stats.

How's that unbalanced?

Wormwood can't control when/ if he's blooming during spring though.

[ArubaroBeefalo]

3 hours ago, JustExo said:

Why bring up Wanda in comparison to wolfgang if the two aren't alike 

im not the one who bring always Wanda in every wolfgang topic "befause she is op omg" but sure, great point, you convinced me

[Lex the Grim]

1 hour ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

im not the one who bring always Wanda in every wolfgang topic "befause she is op omg" but sure, great point, you convinced me

You were the one who brought it up when I made my suggestions, to be fair.

[Spep]

I still fail to see how wolfgang's speed modifier even matters in any way shape or form, so what if you can kill dragonfly slightly easier pre magilumi, so what if you can find the ruins marginally faster, and so what if you can use one less speed boosting item while fighting a T3 shadow rook.

But i only play with characters that are 500 years or older, so maybe i just cant see the benefits of a mildly convenient speed buff.

[Dextops]

8 minutes ago, Spep said:

I still fail to see how wolfgang's speed modifier even matters in any way shape or form, so what if you can kill dragonfly slightly easier pre magilumi, so what if you can find the ruins marginally faster, and so what if you can use one less speed boosting item while fighting a T3 shadow rook.

But i only play with characters that are 500 years or older, so maybe i just cant see the benefits of a mildly convenient speed buff.

they were more fun and added something to his combat

[ArubaroBeefalo]

41 minutes ago, Spep said:

I still fail to see how wolfgang's speed modifier even matters in any way shape or form, so what if you can kill dragonfly slightly easier pre magilumi, so what if you can find the ruins marginally faster, and so what if you can use one less speed boosting item while fighting a T3 shadow rook.

But i only play with characters that are 500 years or older, so maybe i just cant see the benefits of a mildly convenient speed buff.

utility outside of combat

[Toroic]

6 hours ago, Shosuko said:

I think its fair to compare them on a general level.  Wolfgang's biggest perk is dps equal to Wanda.  I think its perfectly fair to ask why Wanda would get that perk, and so many others perks, while Wolfgang was left to just the one.  The biggest disappointment with this "refresh" is that it failed to stay true to the original, yet also failed to go far enough to reframe him.

If he's going to be "big ez dps" then he's got to have a kit that supports him.  If he's going to have "set up, spend time, STILL manage food, etc" then he's got to have perks that are worth it.  Instead he's caught in the middle, a very straight forward reward with convoluted setup that can easily out weigh the advantage his perk bestows.

This compares to Wanda - one of the best designed characters they've added to dst - in that her kit involves "set up, spend time, always manage time meter," but comes with MANY rewards for it.

It also compares to Wigfrid - A very basic kit with some fluff added for long term / cooperative play.  Her main power is exactly what she starts with, what she always is, bonus damage, bonus tankiness, health recovery.  You can ignore her bar and crafts entirely and have an enjoyable character that rewards you for your play style.

Klei needs to pick a lane with Wolfgang.  Is he going to be a simple character, with a basic perk?  Then take away all the costly and complicated upkeep.  Do they want him to be more complicated?  Then add in a reward worth doing that for.  Otherwise, there is no reason to pick Wolfgang over Wigfrid.  Anything he can do with his 2x damage boost she can do without any of his setup.  This is a race she handily wins in the current build.

There have been several player suggestions that I think would work to make his kit make sense, even keeping the speed out - but as it sits I expect any Wolfgang player is either 1) going to want more for the upkeep they're tasked with, 2) going to want simpler upkeep to match his basic perks, or 3) distracted lifting weights and doesn't realize they've spend so much extra time gathering resources and dealing with the meter that his 2x damage is slower than Wilson.

I disagree and I think Wolfgang now has a very clear role in the game, it just may not be one you like.

As he stands now, Wolfgang is the character who can solve most problems via brute force.  He can gather faster with the same tool use, he can kill bosses easier (especially in marble armor), and he has the option of not using beefalo to carry heavy items (though it’s still much faster to use beefs for this)

The cost is the time, stone, wood for the gyms and the gembell ingredients.  It’s not intended to be an inherently efficient playstyle but one where you intentionally spend food and time to become mighty which makes you better at a few common things.

Because of the initial setup time, Wolfgang is not the only option for a single boss challenge but he remains an excellent choice for a full boss clear.

32 minutes ago, Spep said:

I still fail to see how wolfgang's speed modifier even matters in any way shape or form, so what if you can kill dragonfly slightly easier pre magilumi, so what if you can find the ruins marginally faster, and so what if you can use one less speed boosting item while fighting a T3 shadow rook.

But i only play with characters that are 500 years or older, so maybe i just cant see the benefits of a mildly convenient speed buff.

The most significant effect of losing the speed buff from what I’ve seen is you now need to rush magi on Wolf just like other characters because the speed boost before let you dodge t3 rook and celestial champion without it.

However, you still wanted a magi before even with the innate speed boost because more speed is always better for combat.

In practice, it doesn’t really change all that much outside of a speedrun and the first maybe 10 days of a world because exploring while wimpy is most efficient and maintaining normal form is a waste of time.

From what I’ve seen a lot of the people who don’t like the rework didn’t like Wolfgang or his theme before either.

Some others liked Wolfgang for being an easy path to speed and power, and he requires more effort to get that power now than simply eating food.

I personally really like the changes (though rowing needs a buff) because I like Wolf’s theme and the new perks that contribute to that and when I play with other people it’s very easy to deal with his downsides.

[JustExo]

1 hour ago, Spep said:

I still fail to see how wolfgang's speed modifier even matters in any way shape or form, so what if you can kill dragonfly slightly easier pre magilumi, so what if you can find the ruins marginally faster, and so what if you can use one less speed boosting item while fighting a T3 shadow rook.

But i only play with characters that are 500 years or older, so maybe i just cant see the benefits of a mildly convenient speed buff.

One argument that I've seen that was pretty interesting was, because Wolfgang had a speed boost in combat, he was able to greed for extra hits or play it safer so it provided a bit more self expression in combat in the form of: are you somebody who greeds for extra damage, or someone who plays it safer when given the options

Which I can appreciate as somebody who likes fighting games, having that extra bit of self expression even if its minor is always something I can appreciate 

[Yuuko]

1 hour ago, Toros said:

Because of the initial setup time, Wolfgang is not the only option for a single boss challenge but he remains an excellent choice for a full boss clear.

Either Wigfrid was always an option before - or Wolfgang is not an option now.

I don't care which side you wanna draw the line on, but at least be consistent with it.

[HowlVoid]

3 hours ago, Toros said:

I disagree and I think Wolfgang now has a very clear role in the game, it just may not be one you like.

He is comparing Wanda with Wolfgang, they compete for the same roll which is a damage dealing character (he plays as Wanda).

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As he stands now, Wolfgang is the character who can solve most problems via brute force.

There are multiple characters that can solve problems via brute force: Wanda, Webber, Wigfrid, Warly, and Wendy. Wolfgang isn't special in that regard. All of these characters also happen to excel and outpace Wolfgang in one other category (or multiple).

Wanda: Can cut down on resources and time via her infinite weapon and teleporting.

Warly: He can exponentially improve the teams efficiency via his spices.

Wendy: Is the best aoe damage dealer, has a small sanity station for new players, and Abigail can protect the group from hordes.

Webber: His damage outpaces Wolfgangs via army and cuts down on healing resources.

Wigfrid: Offers great utility to the whole team in battle that exponentially grows as more player join the battle.

Wolfgang isn't just hurting in speedrunning, he is hurting in general play too. There is no incentive to play Wolfgang, even in a group as you're not actually contributing to the group itself. All he has to offer is damage which is generally not needed in multiplayer. 

He solves the least problems via brute force compared to what other characters can actually contribute. 

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 He can gather faster with the same tool use,

This shines in solo mid game but has a steep drop off point. 

In multiplayer it is nothing but a novelty and not a good one 

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he can kill bosses easier

He has actually become harder to kill bosses with and it is more obvious in solo play. Wolfgang has to manage his inventory in battle and make openings to use his dumbbells for longer fights. This is a bigger nightmare on console than it is on pc, but that's ok because we don't exist.

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(especially in marble armor),

Marble armor doesn't make fights easier, it cuts down on resources. 

Marble armor also competes with magi for the same slot. Marble armor doesn't even come into play for the fights where it would be useful, like tier 3 rook who hits like a truck, because you can just dodge it with a magi. In this case the magi saves more resources as it only costs one nightmare fuel for the fight than waste marble and healing. 

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and he has the option of not using beefalo to carry heavy items (though it’s still much faster to use beefs for this)

You said it for me, another novelty. 

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The cost is the time, stone, wood for the gyms and the gembell ingredients.  It’s not intended to be an inherently efficient playstyle

Oof, that there chief is the problem.

Why not? Why can't it be efficient? Who said so?

I find this mentality very common where people are looking at it as a "half full cup" mind set. There is no reason why we can't ask Klei to fill the cup. I think if they're open minded to the feedback many have given they can make him easier to handle or provide a few extra tools to smooth out the experience.

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but one where you intentionally spend food and time to become mighty which makes you better at a few common things.

A not inherently efficient process that still requires an infinite amount of upkeep is not a good one. 

For Wolfgang who has to deal with his meter forever, there is no reason why there can't be rock solid efficiency. 

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Because of the initial setup time, Wolfgang is not the only option for a single boss challenge but he remains an excellent choice for a full boss clear.

I don't understand where this mentality comes from, since when was Wolfgang the only option for single or multiple boss challenges? When? 

Wolfgang was only dominating in speedrunning, that's it. People were doing single and all bosses in one year challenges with multiple characters, including pre-reworked Webber. 

And when speaking of speedrunning, Speedrunners aren't going to magically just pick up every character! No! That's not how it works!

Instead they are going to hone in at the next most efficient character with the best run times and nothing else. We'll just end up with Wolfgang 2.0.

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The most significant effect of losing the speed buff from what I’ve seen is you now need to rush magi on Wolf just like other characters because the speed boost before let you dodge t3 rook and celestial champion without it.

However, you still wanted a magi before even with the innate speed boost because more speed is always better for combat.

In practice, it doesn’t really change all that much outside of a speedrun and the first maybe 10 days of a world because exploring while wimpy is most efficient and maintaining normal form is a waste of time.

Again, this is that "half full" mentality at play and unless you force yourself to see it, you never will.

Time and time again I hear you say that Wolfgang has to spend wimpy all of early game, he needs a network of gyms, being normal mode is a waste of time, he no longer gets free stats.

Wolfgang is the only character with detriments and 0 perks right from the start. If Wolfgang has to spend all or some of early game wimpy because "it's a waste of time to be normal", that means his tools aren't doing their job! 

Wolfgang is tied to the gym because the dumbbells don't cut it, Wolfgang has to spend time in Wimpy because the meter is a waste of time to upkeep for any general purpose outside of combat early game (and which has only penalties if you decide to ignore it), so when does Wolfgang win Toro? Only when his tools finally catch up in the mid game? 

Can't you see that if these things are addressed then maybe he may become more enjoyable to play? Not necessarily easier, but just generally more enjoyable? What is there to lose to have a more dynamic and fun character?

One where your only options aren't crippled Wilson or a 6minute slightly better Wanda?

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From what I’ve seen a lot of the people who don’t like the rework didn’t like Wolfgang or his theme before either.

Then you're not looking hard enough because I have seen many, many passionate Wolfgang mains like yourself who are discontent with his rework. 

Wolfgang is basically unreworked, in that he gained nothing but has to jump through hoops to achieve the same results as before. 

Even Klei calls it a nerf.

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Some others liked Wolfgang for being an easy path to speed and power,

And what is wrong with that? Why is that suddenly taboo and a questionable choice for choosing a character? Yes, Wolfgang was easy stats and a very powerful character, but let me ask again, why is that suddenly so wrong? It's not like it was even a game breaking amount of power. It's was just literally unreliable 2x damage and 1.25 speed, I hope we aren't going to act like that's akin to activating god mode. 

The difficulty in the fights came from the fights themselves. The only time you saw this power at it's full potential was in solo fights because in multi the bosses just melted anyways. 

People can pick up Wendy for powerful multi target damage.

People can pick up Wanda for an infinite weapon with double range.

People can pick up Wigfrid for a free 25% damage increase. 

Wolfgang isn't alone in that regard, powerful characters with "free things" exists, it's not a problem and never has been.

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and he requires more effort to get that power now than simply eating food.

Except he doesn't. You seem to contradict yourself on this point very often.

You make this claim while at the same time also claiming that his meter makes it easier to maintain. 

I hope you'll save me the trouble of looking for your comments and quoting you everytime you've said that his damage is now more reliable and that gyms make acquiring this power just 10 seconds of working out. Idk, but that sounds like free stats to me. Free stats that aren't hard to get, just boring and inefficient (time wise).

Wolfgang isn't working any harder, he just so happens to not be working smarter either.

Inefficiency does not equal more effort. Wanda has to go through some effort, (not hard to hit up some walls but it's effort nonetheless) Wolfgang is just wasting time. 

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I personally really like the changes (though rowing needs a buff) because I like Wolf’s theme and the new perks that contribute to that and when I play with other people it’s very easy to deal with his downsides.

That's fine if you enjoy it, but don't you think we can strive for a Wolfgang that more people enjoy? 

I don't mean by giving him his speed back either, there are a few points in his refresh that are lacking. You know what they are, you've mentioned them yourself, I think you just need to stop looking at these as minor inconveniences, "wastes of time", or necessary obstacles to reach the meat of his kit. Because no other character has to waste so much time for such little returns (except maybe Wes, but he deserves it). 

Klei can address them to smooth out his early game, provide a little more meat for the mid and early game, and give some incentive to stick around for the end game. There is no reason why Wolfgang can't still fit the mighty theme you're enjoying, make him more mechanically stable, and increase the enjoyment factor without taking that theme away. 

[Ohan]

[HowlVoid]

9 minutes ago, Ohan said:

We have a lot free time, I guess.

[Lex the Grim]

I like you @HowlVoid. You speak the true-true.

 

I understand @Toros has been playing a similar playstyle for a while with his personal mod, but I also remember that his mod had way more actual neat tweaks and changes that made Wolf more fun to play.

Basically, from what I can gather and what I feel myself, removing parts of Wolfgang's kit and changing his might cycle to introduce tedium and extra time and resources spent is not enough for a refresh. Whether Klei like it or not, they've set a really high standard with most recent reworks that introduce fun and positive additions to characters that have been refreshed.

Wolfgang has not received nearly as much love and care. Most of the changes just introduce an extra time and resource grind that doesn't pay back enough dividends to make them a worthwhile change. He needs much more love and care put into him, equal to what other characters have received, or there will forever be a bad taste in a great many people's mouths.

I don't think that's an unreasonable assertion.

 

Also Merry Christmas everyone!

[GetNerfedOn]

All this sounds good but it certainly sounds dumb to say you hand an epiphany

[HowlVoid]

4 minutes ago, GetNerfedOn said:

All this sounds good but it certainly sounds dumb to say you hand an epiphany

Finally somebody said it, haha.

I was wondering how long it would take for people to point it out. I guess a lot of people wanted to spare my feeling lol. 

I'm gonna keep it though, let's all remember to take the time to laugh at ourselves because it's really hard to stay humble when we're all such Chad gamers. 

[GetNerfedOn]

1 hour ago, HowlVoid said:

Finally somebody said it, haha.

I was wondering how long it would take for people to point it out. I guess a lot of people wanted to spare my feeling lol. 

I'm gonna keep it though, let's all remember to take the time to laugh at ourselves because it's really hard to stay humble when we're all such Chad gamers. 

it had to be me lmao

After all im the jerk who spellchecks JoeW at every given opportunity

ngl ppl dont usually care about the effort i put into poll titles anyway lmfao

[ArubaroBeefalo]

I think that the only problem with wolf is that he is the only character that has to deal with a countdown all the time when filling it is only useful in certain situation

i read a lot, and i said it myself, that wolfgang is flat and only his damage is only useful while fighting but that is the same with wigfrid and wendy so why we think he is flat? because wendy and wigfrid outside of combats dont need to fill a bar but both of them has the same "problem" they are only useful in combat,the rest of the time their gameplay is the same as a wilson (and dont come with the sistrum, we all know isnt a strong perk)

actually wolfgang has way more things to offer to the team than these 2 characters since he actually has perks outside of combat but, again, the countdown of his meter (which imo is fine but i understand the unhappiness about it)

[Cloakingsumo198]

11 minutes ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

I think that the only problem with wolf is that he is the only character that has to deal with a countdown all the time when filling it is only useful in certain situation

i read a lot, and i said it myself, that wolfgang is flat and only his damage is only useful while fighting but that is the same with wigfrid and wendy so why we think he is flat? because wendy and wigfrid outside of combats dont need to fill a bar but both of them has the same "problem" they are only useful in combat,the rest of the time their gameplay is the same as a wilson (and dont come with the sistrum, we all know isnt a strong perk)

actually wolfgang has way more things to offer to the team than these 2 characters since he actually has perks outside of combat but, again, the countdown of his meter (which imo is fine but i understand the unhappiness about it)

I don't really see what could have been added to them to fit their character better in their reworks, but both overall got buffs and QoL changes. I expected nerfs to Wolfgang but when I saw what they gave to us in return for our speed it hurt, it just doesn't feel great, his kit. I enjoy the constant 2x damage, the funny workout animation, the consistent hunger drain but I call these QoL changes they are great for new players and great for making wolf feel less stressed about always working or starving to death. "Always working" this is where my gripe comes with this update it doesn't feel like they cared much for wolf after these they made those last changes. -100hp, increased sanity drain, speed removal, these nerfs for what? They gave us in return "no speed penalty from worn items" "increased speed while carrying things on our back" and "row speed"(doesn't even work). (60 insulation "almost" forgot)

I don't even know anyone who uses piggyback or marble armor (yes. "now" we will but those 2 are the only heavy items and are both extremely niche) many people stated the speed boost helped with them before as well so it's not a "new" feature

How many times have you walked a marble piece to a statue? Why didn't you just get a beefalo instead? Using it on big crops or lunar island? Both mid to late game niches where it's not like you're really strapped for time anyways. This change just doesn't impact as hard

Rowing speed (doesn't work yet)

Insulation..... it's a miniscule change they didn't need to add it but they did for "flavor"

A long "workout" animation... This is what I'm suppose to be happy about? Instead of eating food, I sit and watch this???? It's a novelty, you will quickly get sick of this animation. It's funny in your downtime, but mind numbing when you're just trying to play the game as your character. 

The chop/mining efficiency was an idea added by our esteemed Wolfgang mains crying for their lost boy. We almost didn't even have it....

Tldr:Wolfgang feels good in damage while in mighty form, but overall as a character he feels really boring/flat.  The workout mechanic is incentivized way TOO much to make gaining mighty feel fun at all. The small niches added for mighty form should be tweaked, dunno how but right now they are underwhelming. There isn't much reason to maintain mighty levels as it can be a big waste of time if you don't ACTUALLY utilize your 6 minutes to it's full potential, BUT getting into mighty form in a moment's notice for a big task also feels extremely uneventful, and wasteful. Lifting a goldbell for 1 minute to have a full mighty bar before any task feels like wasted time when you could have just started on the task already. Damn that got long too, wolf is just between a rock and a hard place right now.

[ArubaroBeefalo]

1 hour ago, Cloakingsumo198 said:

don't really see what could have been added to them to fit their character better in their reworks, but both overall got buffs and QoL changes

me neither but that doesnt change the fact that wigfrid and wendy are only useful in fights, outside of that they have nothing meanwhile wolfgang has more perks. Is a FACT even if you condidere these perks weak

1 hour ago, Cloakingsumo198 said:

don't even know anyone who uses piggyback or marble armor

i use piggyback in everyrun. I dont use marble armor since i dont like to tank but is a good change, not everybody can affort thulecite armors or get bone armor. Also is a good choice for early

2 hours ago, Cloakingsumo198 said:

Rowing speed (doesn't work yet)

it works but not as many of us though (i think it should be changed) but he accelerates faster but has the same top speed. Sounds bad but most of the time you dont constantly row so isnt noticeable the top speed problem. I enjoy this perk but ofc has room for improvements

for long trips still being faster to use sails, as it should

2 hours ago, Cloakingsumo198 said:

Insulation..... it's a miniscule change they didn't need to add it but they did for "flavor"

well, isnt s game changing perk but makes playing him more confy. Is like wurt's fish perk, isnt a strong perk but makes playing her a more confortable experience

2 hours ago, Cloakingsumo198 said:

A long "workout" animation... This is what I'm suppose to be happy about? Instead of eating food, I sit and watch this???? It's a novelty, you will quickly get sick of this animation. It's funny in your downtime, but mind numbing when you're just trying to play the game as your character. 

this was repeated many times but makes playing him less grindy, you can focus on experience the content instead of grinding food. Bad change for speed runners, good change for long term worlds since reduces a lot the wasted time

this point is about personal taste and how and where is played

 

 

2 hours ago, Cloakingsumo198 said:

The chop/mining efficiency was an idea added by our esteemed Wolfgang mains crying for their lost boy. We almost didn't even have it....

just this makes wolf more useful for the team than wigfrid and wendy which was my point, they having only fighting perks but nobody complains about that

[Milordo]

I came back to this post and see it reached 11 pages. I briefly look what you're talking and it's already "Wanda > Wolfgang"  "Wanda OP" "Wolfgang is dead" so i decided to close it.

At this point it's not funny anymore. This is becoming stagnant, especially seeing people who clearly never played Wanda but only watch their favourite streamers doing no hit with her. 

[Mike23Ua]

25 minutes ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

just this makes wolf more useful for the team than wigfrid and wendy which was my point, they having only fighting perks but nobody complains about that

Ironic of you to say that when Wolfgang drains sanity and has a hard time keeping it up (especially for Noobs) where as Wendy can provide that Wolfgang with Sanity from the Sisturn, as well as infinite Top Hats with her mass silk gathering skillz. Wendy can also leave Vigor Mortis potions lying around that dead ghost players can haunt to speed up their movement speed to get back to touchstone or florid portal faster, if that Wendy isn’t around to revive them.

Wigfrids Stagecrafting scrolls are Meh.. Some have use, others not so much..

Moving a boat faster as Wolfgang is Meh also.. he should be able to do it in Normal OR Mighty form..

I legit don’t understand WHY Klei locked his perks behind needing to be Mighty first: Average size Wolfgang is still a pretty large buff dude (as seen in his animated short) surely he’s capable of just being a larger Wilson.

MIGHTY should rightfully feel most powerful, but come on: the Bigger Dude is going to be able to lift weights faster, punch harder, row boats faster, throw further etc.. And that’s all before ever becoming Mighty.