New Wolfie should be the tank, not Wigfrid

[MarkBlocos]

If the speed is not coming back, then at least make him the actual tank. Makes more sense theme wise than wigfrid.

Besides, if wimpy takes more damage, Mighty should take less damage, it would be more fitted with this refresh. Take the damage reduction away from wig (she already has a lot of other buffs) and give it to him maybe.

This new patch still feels like the refresh is underwhelming, i dont see him being unique or pickable in runs and bases for people who like to use each character for their unique benefits.

 

[Mike23Ua]

I think Wolfgang was never intended to be the “Tank” but instead the character who finishes fights fastest. And with his 2x damage he is still capable of doing that.

With his no movement speed penalty while wearing Armors he can also now tank almost as good as Wigfrid (and still finish the fight in half the time wasting only half the weapon durability’s)

[MarkBlocos]

she has songs for wasting less durabilty (she can use it even for weather pains and waste a lot less), and also has damage buff and damage reduction. Besides, it fits with what they did to the wimpy form. Why it takes more damage if mighty doesnt take less? Feels weird to me.

Besides, if we wanna argue about the overall theme, big strongman with giant head vs opera singer...Seems like he should have the damage reduction

[Mike23Ua]

5 minutes ago, MarkBlocos said:

she has songs for wasting less durabilty (she can use it even for weather pains and waste a lot less), and also has damage buff and damage reduction. Besides, it fits with what they did to the wimpy form. Why it takes more damage if mighty doesnt take less? Feels weird to me.

Besides, if we wanna argue about the overall theme, big strongman with giant head vs opera singer...Seems like he should have the damage reduction

Yes BUT… if he took reduced damage, what would be the difference in that, and just reverting his health back to the way it was?? There’s not really any difference except that you may fool yourself into thinking he has damage resistance when in reality: he would just have a hidden away portion of extra health: The same health they reduced with his rework.

Kinda defeats the entire purpose of reducing his health altogether then doesn’t it?

(im a Gemini it is within my naturally born talents & gifted nature to question EVERYTHING.. Sorry.)

[Gi-Go]

Good idea. Then the rework will be wigfrid mains problem and not ours. 

[GenomeSquirrel]

You want the tank to be the person in a tattered swimsuit, over the character wearing armor or the bipedal tank?

[ArubaroBeefalo]

tanking is the most boring thing in the game but he can tank if you wish

no need for more fighting perks

[Milordo]

34 minutes ago, Gi-Go said:

Good idea. Then the rework will be wigfrid mains problem and not ours. 

Aahahahahahahahha

[Cloakingsumo198]

2 hours ago, Mike23Ua said:

Yes BUT… if he took reduced damage, what would be the difference in that, and just reverting his health back to the way it was?? There’s not really any difference except that you may fool yourself into thinking he has damage resistance when in reality: he would just have a hidden away portion of extra health: The same health they reduced with his rework.

Kinda defeats the entire purpose of reducing his health altogether then doesn’t it?

(im a Gemini it is within my naturally born talents & gifted nature to question EVERYTHING.. Sorry.)

Damage resistance works a little different that having increased health it's sort of the same but it changes healing efficiency so wolf would heal for more compared to others

By the way whats suppose to be so special about wx, he upgrades to insane stats let that evil robot get what he deserves. (By being a pummel bag for mobs)

[Mike23Ua]

3 minutes ago, Cloakingsumo198 said:

Damage resistance works a little different that having increased health it's sort of the same but it changes healing efficiency so wolf would heal for more compared to others

By the way whats suppose to be so special about wx, he upgrades to insane stats let that evil robot get what he deserves. (By being a pummel bag for mobs)

I can’t really say anything about WX because WX hasn’t gotten their rework yet.. but I’m pretty sure that WX’s time will come, And I’m pretty sure they too will get nerfs/tweaks to be more in-line with the rest of the cast: Klei’s intent with these reworks were to bring some weaker characters up & some more powerful ones down a bit- so they ALL end up being good choices instead of just having the Best of the Best or the Worst of the Worst.

Wes- Who people didn’t want to get anything at all and remain to be a joke and was always seen as the “Challenge” Character- now has a few useful perks, for example.

I doubt the “Can be upgraded with Gears” will be changed: But I’m willing to bet they’ll do more with that rework beyond just boring Health/Damage/Sanity stats.

Thats the intent behind these reworks: Flesh them out.. make them fun, give them personality. 
 

It’s unfortunate that Wolfgang’s rework has to be so controversial, because Klei is striving for a vision that fits who they want him to be/how they want him to play.

[Ohan]

7 hours ago, MarkBlocos said:

i dont see him being unique or pickable in runs and bases for people who like to use each character for their unique benefits.

Try looking again. 

[HowlVoid]

24 minutes ago, Ohan said:

Try looking again. 

Ohan it's 11pm, time to go to bed buddy.

Good night.

[Ohan]

3 minutes ago, HowlVoid said:

Ohan it's 11pm, time to go to bed buddy.

Good night.

good night yankee(?) 

[Cloakingsumo198]

8 minutes ago, Ohan said:

good night yankee(?) 

Yankee doddle went to town,

Riding on a pony,

He stuck a feather in his hat

And called it macaroni

[dish-order man]

No, wolf should never be a tank, but a retired soldier who has mastered various combat skills and weapon use skills (currently working in the circus)。

 

so he is a grumpy skilled soldier. IMO Wolf should be very similar to the barbarians in Diablo 2

[GelatinousCube]

Boooooooooooooooooooo

 

[Blunty_x]

On 12/14/2021 at 4:58 PM, Mike23Ua said:

I can’t really say anything about WX because WX hasn’t gotten their rework yet.. but I’m pretty sure that WX’s time will come, And I’m pretty sure they too will get nerfs/tweaks to be more in-line with the rest of the cast: Klei’s intent with these reworks were to bring some weaker characters up & some more powerful ones down a bit- so they ALL end up being good choices instead of just having the Best of the Best or the Worst of the Worst.

Wes- Who people didn’t want to get anything at all and remain to be a joke and was always seen as the “Challenge” Character- now has a few useful perks, for example.

I doubt the “Can be upgraded with Gears” will be changed: But I’m willing to bet they’ll do more with that rework beyond just boring Health/Damage/Sanity stats.

Thats the intent behind these reworks: Flesh them out.. make them fun, give them personality. 
 

It’s unfortunate that Wolfgang’s rework has to be so controversial, because Klei is striving for a vision that fits who they want him to be/how they want him to play.

I can't believe this. Because Wolf is way worse off than before. I get people like the idea of the constant 2x but it's locked behind a tedious minigame no other character has that, before you would eat and top of real quick and keep on rocking. Idk what their vision is but they left Wigfrid alone and gave her more tools, but she's the most popular character so I guess there's that. Wendy was buffed immensely making her easily on of the best and probably fave character number 2. Wicker was always immensely powerful and her Rework did almost nothing to change that. That's why I feel like Most people's arguments are weak when they say it's balance, it's the vision of the devs etc etc. 

[Mike23Ua]

21 minutes ago, Blunty_x said:

I can't believe this. Because Wolf is way worse off than before. I get people like the idea of the constant 2x but it's locked behind a tedious minigame no other character has that, before you would eat and top of real quick and keep on rocking. Idk what their vision is but they left Wigfrid alone and gave her more tools, but she's the most popular character so I guess there's that. Wendy was buffed immensely making her easily on of the best and probably fave character number 2. Wicker was always immensely powerful and her Rework did almost nothing to change that. That's why I feel like Most people's arguments are weak when they say it's balance, it's the vision of the devs etc etc. 

Wickerbottom actually has not been reworked yet.. 

You can tell which characters have and have not been reworked by the following-

1- They get a unique Idle Animation they perform when standing still (you can notice these easily in the compendium)

2- all of their skins that were previously unweaveable become weaveable.

3- They get an Animated Short and more Lore Revealed about them.

They actually changed Wicker outside of her Rework (which hasn’t come yet)

The other characters yet to be reworked are Wilson, WX78 & Maxwell.

[ArubaroBeefalo]

when x2 damage isnt enough but also is need damage reduction on top of marble suit just to make easier the most boring way of fighting in the game

you can tank as wolfgang if you want, with his damage and 200hp you end fights before you need to heal

[Mike23Ua]

5 hours ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

when x2 damage isnt enough but also is need damage reduction on top of marble suit just to make easier the most boring way of fighting in the game

you can tank as wolfgang if you want, with his damage and 200hp you end fights before you need to heal

People do not give the 2x damage enough credit, I am not going insult people or be mean about them wanting the speed back: but they had to give Wolfgang a nerf somewhere.. Klei even admitted in the post they intended to Nerf him… it takes balls of steel to outright Admit your intent & admire them for that.

However I don’t think people fully understand what 2x damage actually means: 

So let’s break it down- 

 

Wolfgangs Core design intent Klei has stated was to BE THE BEST AT Killing Bosses.. and as you can see here… there’s no one that can do it better then he can.

[Cloakingsumo198]

37 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

People do not give the 2x damage enough credit, I am not going insult people or be mean about them wanting the speed back: but they had to give Wolfgang a nerf somewhere.. Klei even admitted in the post they intended to Nerf him… it takes balls of steel to outright Admit your intent & admire them for that.

However I don’t think people fully understand what 2x damage actually means: 

So let’s break it down- 

 

Wolfgangs Core design intent Klei has stated was to BE THE BEST AT Killing Bosses.. and as you can see here… there’s no one that can do it better then he can.

Are you accounting just straight up face tanking all these bosses? I would argue that wolfs speed was far better for raid bosses, cause getting enough materials to just tank through it all is abit much.  These early bosses just get trivialized though by Wolfgang. This also doesn't mention not every boss will allow you to just wail on them, the ones with stuns, freezes, or multiple attacks are DEVASTATING if you aren't kiting. Face tanking is just a bad idea overall.

[Mike23Ua]

You move at normal speeds while wearing marble armor, you don’t have to face tank anything.. 

here’s what people who aren’t used to Wolfgang’s speed removal seem to understand: If Bosses were based on Wolfgang’s extra Speed… No one else would be able to survive a fight against them.

But that’s not the case: now Wolfgang is in just as much danger as anyone else was.. As OP as you all claim Wendy is… she still needs to DODGE Eye of Terrors Swoop attacks or shes as good as dead.

The only character you should ever “not dodge” with is Wigfrid and that’s only because she heals health and sanity upon hitting it.. but even with her- Dodging can prove to be useful.

Wolfgang just had his “cheap” way of doing it removed, I mean the dude hit like a truck and had high health… did he really need to ALSO be able to dodge easier too?

[Cloakingsumo198]

1 hour ago, Mike23Ua said:

You move at normal speeds while wearing marble armor, you don’t have to face tank anything.. 

here’s what people who aren’t used to Wolfgang’s speed removal seem to understand: If Bosses were based on Wolfgang’s extra Speed… No one else would be able to survive a fight against them.

But that’s not the case: now Wolfgang is in just as much danger as anyone else was.. As OP as you all claim Wendy is… she still needs to DODGE Eye of Terrors Swoop attacks or shes as good as dead.

The only character you should ever “not dodge” with is Wigfrid and that’s only because she heals health and sanity upon hitting it.. but even with her- Dodging can prove to be useful.

Wolfgang just had his “cheap” way of doing it removed, I mean the dude hit like a truck and had high health… did he really need to ALSO be able to dodge easier too?

Yeah.... I'll still miss killing shadow pieces without the cane and just a road, completely avoiding Klaus's deer's magic and toadstools spore clouds, out pacing FW's bone trap and a couple other misc things. I suppose crafting cobblestone roads at arena's will become more common place now to save on making armor instead. (I also predict more ganking bosses too, lol cause bosses just start melting with more hands).

 

Edited: But fr soloing just got a whole lot more tedious, and I hope they change the crafting recipe for cobblestone cause 1 rocky turf to make it is annoying.

[Mysterious box]

I'd say he just doesn't give enough incentive for the majority to play him atleast from what I've seen he seems to be the least played post refreshed char in pubs which does make abit of sense other characters can do comparable damage while offering other interesting mechanics and some others just have more interesting mechanics in general.

[Well-met]

2 hours ago, Mysterious box said:

I'd say he just doesn't give enough incentive for the majority to play him atleast from what I've seen he seems to be the least played post refreshed char in pubs which does make abit of sense other characters can do comparable damage while offering other interesting mechanics and some others just have more interesting mechanics in general.

he's the only one to have had a nerf so yeah that's pretty much a given. it doesn't really prove anything other than most gamers are giant babies.

if wendy had stayed the way she was hours after her refresh then she would be """dead""" the same.