What is the best CPU for ONI?

[hegemontree]

I have an older CPU and am looking to upgrade.  ONI seems to run on 2 of 8 virtual cores only for me.  Please note your performance experience with your chip especially if its good performance.  

Thanks.

[gabberworld]

if talk about that then i not like it at all that it use only 2 cores. if talk about cpu then newest is usually is better. but you need think off also memory speed because cpu is reading all the time from there for calculations .

but as you not tell what you have then there nothing to compare

[OxCD]

Some search on the forum can give you some decent help:

 

[Gurgel]

AMD gives you much smoother performance at the same FPS, hence better results.

[ToiDiaeRaRIsuOy]

Get a AMD ryzen 5 3600, or if you get cash to spare, a 5600X. I am not sure of the performance, but it will not get better than that. Much better IPC than Intel, and the clockspeed difference is neglible. Since you don't require a lot of cores to play this game, anything above 3600/5600 would be wasted cash.

The 5600X is the better CPU because it turboes higher, and has a better IPC, plus it has the better cache performance. However, it is also roughly 50% more expensive than a 3600.

 

The research I and others did is not really relevant anymore; It came from a time when we did not have data on the AMD 7nm chips. The stuff about pathing is still relevant, but not to the question of which CPU to buy.

[gabberworld]

23 minutes ago, ToiDiaeRaRIsuOy said:

 Much better IPC than Intel

 

that is not true, for example i5-11600k is much better than 5600X, and not only that it also cost less by benchmark info

[ToiDiaeRaRIsuOy]

4 minutes ago, gabberworld said:

that is not true, for example i5-11600k is much better than 5600X, and not only that it also cost less by benchmark info

Hmmm, I have to admit I did underestimate that cpu on inspection.

From what I gather now, they are roughly on par concerning single core performance (https://www.techspot.com/review/2220-intel-core-i5-11600k/ , cinebench single core). The intel CPU is however cheaper by a littel bit. Benchmarks in a variety of games confirm this (they both have their stronger and weaker games, but I think it averages out).

If I am correct however, and do correct me if I am wrong, Intel mobo's are generally a bit more expensive compared to AMD mobo's. Given he comes from an older CPU, I take it he will have to buy a new platform as well. Taking that into account, plus intel running quite a bit hotter requiring better cooling, it might still be more worthwhile to buy the 5600X over the 11600K

 

[gabberworld]

there is also thing that memory matter also what is used, recently linus explained self as well about that but i know that sometime now 

anyway if you really want beat or make huge jump at speed then i quess you need the amd 5950x

[LadenSwallow]

Do intel offer pci-e 4th generation yet? Given the game autosaves reasonably frequently, a faster SSD might save some time over a long term base.

[gabberworld]

8 minutes ago, LadenSwallow said:

Do intel offer pci-e 4th generation yet? Given the game autosaves reasonably frequently, a faster SSD might save some time over a long term base.

i5-11600k have 4th and im guessing there is more off them

[JRup]

1 hour ago, LadenSwallow said:

Do intel offer pci-e 4th generation yet? Given the game autosaves reasonably frequently, a faster SSD might save some time over a long term base.

I used to have ONI on an NVME RAID setup (mdadm) some time ago to test if there were gains to be made. No such luck. When access to internal storage was not an issue I still had "prolonged" save times. The worst times are actually seen on load where the game has to do its thing.

Then I took it up on the forums to explore if save file compression was the culprit. No dice there. (Savings were meager, to say the least)

I have more than enough reason to believe most if not all (auto)save "magic" takes place in memory and then finally gets written to disk.

Spoiler

I sold my ryzen 3600 rig and downgraded to a 4th gen 4770k (La business is la business) so I can't to the raid setup anymore for a while.

Finally, a good processor with quick memory access & fast ram is what I would go for next time I build something (taking ONI into account) But I'll still hold on to my 4GB RX480 for a while, it fears ONI not. (I bought it before the crypto rage; to hell with scalpers)

 

[gabberworld]

there is one thing tho why think off buy for example AMD 5600X and not the i5-11600k

its a power usage, AMD uses less power so in long run its still cheaper than Intel CPU

i personally would take the intel i9-11900K if i would start the upgrade the pc

other choose would be the i9-10900K as it have little bit better memory latency

 

[Gurgel]

On 7/5/2021 at 1:48 AM, gabberworld said:

there is one thing tho why think off buy for example AMD 5600X and not the i5-11600k

its a power usage, AMD uses less power so in long run its still cheaper than Intel CPU

There is a second thing: Intel task-switching sucks and the CPUs cause jitter in ONI. Hence Intel needs something like 60 FPS for a smooth experience, while with AMD about 30 FPS are perfectly fine. One of the effects from Intel throwing any aspect of good design away that had an impact on FPS numbers. 

[gabberworld]

5 minutes ago, Gurgel said:

There is a second thing: Intel task-switching sucks and the CPUs cause jitter in ONI. Hence Intel needs something like 60 FPS for a smooth experience, while with AMD about 30 FPS are perfectly fine. One of the effects from Intel throwing any aspect of good design away that had an impact on FPS numbers. 

i dont know about  that atleast in my pc. i to start see some latency below 30 fps as then eye starts catch up

[Gurgel]

13 minutes ago, gabberworld said:

i dont know about  that atleast in my pc. i to start see some latency below 30 fps as then eye starts catch up

Well, the effect is definitely there and it is relatively strong. No idea where it is exactly today. But I played ONI for a long time on an FX8350 and got a pretty good experience at 25...30 FPS, while people with Intel CPUs kept complaining at 40...50 FPS.  Anyway, this is an old discussion and one factor is that some people instinctively flock to the company they perceive as the most powerful and then defend it no matter what. 

[gabberworld]

31 minutes ago, Gurgel said:

Well, the effect is definitely there and it is relatively strong. No idea where it is exactly today. But I played ONI for a long time on an FX8350 and got a pretty good experience at 25...30 FPS, while people with Intel CPUs kept complaining at 40...50 FPS.  Anyway, this is an old discussion and one factor is that some people instinctively flock to the company they perceive as the most powerful and then defend it no matter what. 

fps issue is usually the GPU problem not the CPU. CPU start make issues when it hit his limit, in this game mostly two cores

and as ONI not seems support full multicores that makes this game kind off year 2000 game when first 2 cores pc started come out from intel

example for my pc it use more CPU than GPU what shows that this game is soo unbalanced. because first off you can calculate complex stuff also in GPU what is more faster than in CPU

 

there is one thing, not every CPU is good, only those are good what is actually fast. soo you cant really say that intel is bad or AMD its good, if you buy yourself crappy  CPU you get yourself also crap result

[Gurgel]

1 hour ago, gabberworld said:

there is one thing, not every CPU is good, only those are good what is actually fast. soo you cant really say that intel is bad or AMD its good, if you buy yourself crappy  CPU you get yourself also crap result

I actually can. Others have noticed far superior task-switching on AMD as well. For example, the streaming community used to use two PCs, one for the game and one for video-capture. But that was only ever needed with Intel CPUs because things got choppy on them with just one PC. With AMD CPUs they could suddenly stream from the same PC. Can also be nicely seen when somebody not only benchmarks averake FPS, but minimal as well. Intel universally has much higher variability than AMD. Of course, you can use massively higher performance than needed on Intel, but why bother?

Face it: Intel _still_ is primarily a memory company and produces fast but otherwise crappy CPUs, while AMD came from signal processors and it shows in every aspect of their designs.

[gabberworld]

6 minutes ago, Gurgel said:

With AMD CPUs they could suddenly stream from the same PC.

 

of course you can steam from same pc, as OBS is full multi core .app including fully gpu support . more cores you have is always better. but if you have poor 2 core cpu then forget about that

[Gurgel]

Just now, gabberworld said:

of course you can steam from same pc, as OBS is full multi core .app including fully gpu support . more cores you have is always better. but if you have boor 2 core cpu then forget about that

Today, yes. But go a few years back. 

[gabberworld]

Just now, Gurgel said:

Today, yes. But go a few years back. 

dude it depends what cpu you have. you talk about years back. i to have years back i7 CPU and i can stream with that.

[Gurgel]

8 minutes ago, gabberworld said:

dude it depends what cpu you have. you talk about years back. i to have years back i7 CPU and i can stream with that.

You are perfectly welcome to pay more money for an inferior product, while telling yourself you got the better deal. In fact, most of the CPU business Intel does comes from people doing exactly that.

[gabberworld]

17 minutes ago, Gurgel said:

You are perfectly welcome to pay more money for an inferior product, while telling yourself you got the better deal. In fact, most of the CPU business Intel does comes from people doing exactly that.

if you nothise  or not the latest amd is slower than latest intel and that intel price is also 200 less, and not only that, you can overclock that to 7Ghz

and we talk 2 core game like ONI, intel 2 cores is 19% faster than in latest amd

yes amd have allot cores but there nothing todo with those if app not support

[Galifrey1965]

I am running a 3900X with 32gb of 3200 ram

I have one core running about 90% rest pretty much idle.

 

Don't even bother with the Intel vs AMD arguments, they are both Junk with this game as it only uses a single core for the majority of the work

 

[gabberworld]

1 minute ago, Galifrey1965 said:

Don't even bother with the Intel vs AMD arguments, they are both Junk with this game as it only uses a single core for the majority of the work

yeah thats correct as game not fully support the multi-core  . if talk games like Factorio then that have fully multi-core support,  at there you can make your pc to actual limits , like build huge base and soo on without fps drop

[Galifrey1965]

5 minutes ago, gabberworld said:

yeah thats correct as game not fully support the multi-core  . if talk games like Factorio then that have fully multi-core support,  at there you can make your pc to actual limits , like build huge base and soo on without fps drop

Even Dyson Sphere program built by a couple of programmers does a better job