aidancode Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 I've spent a lot of time thinking about what reworks are to come, and what reworks should be added to the game. Here are my ideas for what would keep the game balanced while still keeping it as the same game. (note: this covers some characters that already have a rework that need another) Wilson: no rework. reason: He is the generic character. Willow: her lighter has infinite durability and emits the same amount of light as the torch. Also, Bernie now has crowd control in the form of his attack containing a 20% splash damage effect. Willow gains twice as much sanity from killing nightmare creatures. Finally, willow gains health in fire. reason: willow is stronger than wilson but tends to have a lot of pointless upsides. Bernie tends not to be useful as he is too weak for bosses but can't deal with crowd control either. Willow's lighter also is that one item that you just throw away on day 3 because it becomes useless, so a stronger lighter would be very useful. Also, willow gaining health in fire isn't that crazy of a concept, due to you needing to burn something that could otherwise be used for resources, and the fact that other better healing sources (foods) exist. Wolfgang: His maximum hunger is raised by 50, but all effects beyond 300 don't change (just gives wolfgang a bit of leeway when in mighty). His animation for changing forms now can be canceled out by moving, and his maximum sanity is lowered to 100. Wolfgang is 50% less resistant to temperature (aka it goes down and up faster). Wolfgang's forms only do 0.75% as much damage as they do now. reason: Most of these are just quality of life things to make wolfgang less annoying, but the weather res actually makes hardcore, super efficient playstyles slightly slower, as wolfgang mains will need to invest in winter clothing. The damage thing is just a balance thing. Wendy: no rework. reason: already has a suitable one WX-78: Gears are slightly less effective, so he needs to eat more gears to get to max strength. Has a science up. When he is struck by lightning, he only receives a +25% speed boost, doesn't emit light and has a temporary lower max health (75) until the end of the effect. reason: WX mostly just needs nerfs, but in order to give him a bonus perk, the science up will make him a good alternative to wicker for early game. Wickerbottom: Books increase of cost (birds of world adds a rope, an egg and 10 jet feathers, sleepytime costs an extra 2 nightmare fuel, on tentacles costs 2 spots instead of 1), 75% damage multiplier, new book (costs 2 papyrus and a deerclops eyeball, halves the health of all mobs and players within the screen radius. Does not work in the caves. uses: 3) reason: wickerbottom's books were OP, and they still are with these changes. As for the damage multiplier, it makes sense for who she is and makes her somewhat reliant on the new book that lowers mob health. Woodie: His max hunger is reduced to a mere 50 and his sanity is lowered to 150. reason: woodie currently has no downside, so a low hunger bar will make him slightly weaker. Wes: his balloons no longer hurt players and do 3x as much damage. His hunger drains at 0.75% speed instead of being faster. Wes's health and hunger both become 135. Maxwell: His puppets are removed, and instead, he has a magic up. His codex umbra allows for the crafting of various boss mob drops, such as the eyeball, down feather, spider hat, and more. reason: i dont like that the magical character's main purpose is to be a better woodie. Wigfrid: now can eat non-meat foods, but only gets 33% of the food value from it. Wigfrid's spear does as much damage as a hambat, but costs an additional 2 cutgrass. Webber: no rework. reason: already a pretty balanced character. Wormwood, Wurt and Winona: I honestly don't know anything about these characters, so I can't come up with an idea. Wortox: Doesn't get souls from neutral mobs or spiders (excluding spider queen), and he can't eat crockpot foods at all. By opening the map, you can soul hop anywhere on the map that is discovered. reason: These changes buff the worst parts of wortox and nerfs the OP part. Walter: His projectiles do 50% more damage, but his melee attacking damage is 75%. reason: using a ham bat is still smarter in walter's current state. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125803-how-should-the-remaining-characters-get-reworks/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuma Arcl Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 The changes to Wortox would make him waaay OP. He can still eat raw/cooked vegetables and fruits. To get souls just teleport to a cave entrance to farm Bats by one-shoting them with a tentacle spike. He'd be able to teleport ANYWHERE on the map, so he can teleport to all cave entrances and be full of souls in roughly 2min. Also, there are angry-bees beehives (they're not neutral mobs). It's easy to kite them Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125803-how-should-the-remaining-characters-get-reworks/#findComment-1414059 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seero Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 1 hour ago, aidancode said: you can soul hop anywhere on the map that is discovered. I think anyone would know what they are getting from this thread if they read this part first Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125803-how-should-the-remaining-characters-get-reworks/#findComment-1414068 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crestwave Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 1 hour ago, aidancode said: Willow: her lighter has infinite durability and emits the same amount of light as the torch. Also, Bernie now has crowd control in the form of his attack containing a 20% splash damage effect. Willow gains twice as much sanity from killing nightmare creatures. Finally, willow gains health in fire. reason: willow is stronger than wilson but tends to have a lot of pointless upsides. Bernie tends not to be useful as he is too weak for bosses but can't deal with crowd control either. Willow's lighter also is that one item that you just throw away on day 3 because it becomes useless, so a stronger lighter would be very useful. Also, willow gaining health in fire isn't that crazy of a concept, due to you needing to burn something that could otherwise be used for resources, and the fact that other better healing sources (foods) exist. Bernie's taunt is very solid and underrated crowd control. Willow's lighter is great for cooking, and also can be used as backup light and to light stuff (particularly trees) on fire. Willow gaining health in fire seems overpowered since objects can simply be extinguished before they burn out, not to mention other sources of fire like lava pools, lavae, fire hounds, deer spells, etc. 1 hour ago, aidancode said: Maxwell: His puppets are removed, and instead, he has a magic up. His codex umbra allows for the crafting of various boss mob drops, such as the eyeball, down feather, spider hat, and more. Very pick-and-swap-y 1 hour ago, aidancode said: Webber: no rework. reason: already a pretty balanced character. Webber does not work very well with teammates and is outshined in many ways by other things. 1 hour ago, aidancode said: Wortox: Doesn't get souls from neutral mobs or spiders (excluding spider queen), and he can't eat crockpot foods at all. By opening the map, you can soul hop anywhere on the map that is discovered. reason: These changes buff the worst parts of wortox and nerfs the OP part. This is honestly the most overpowered ability I have ever seen. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125803-how-should-the-remaining-characters-get-reworks/#findComment-1414070 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike23Ua Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 I don’t even know what to say here.. Wortox OP needs nerf, Wilson was generic in solo DS but has since then quested through 5 randomly generated worlds and adapted and grown, If Woodie and Wendy can gain more control over their abilities- I fully expect Wilson to gain SOMETHING from his time on the Nightmare Throne. Wes- I don’t like him.. like at all he was FINE in Single Player Don’t Starve- but you put Wes into a Multiplayer game and he becomes a drag on everyone in the entire server rather they wanted Wes’s Challenges or not- Wes should have perks that benefit him as a team- and after seeing the changes Klei did making what was in my opinion the Hardest most challenging character in the game Wormwood ridiculously Good with all his RWYS buffs: I fully expect Wes will be getting the same treatments. Even if that means taking Wes out of the role of “Hardcore Challenge Character” So be it... Do what has to be done Klei- But also think at the same time about how you took Wormwood a character many people struggled to play as now much less stressful and manageable all of Wormwoods recent RWYS buffs puts him into a really really good spot now and I’m just going to go ahead and predict that the remaining 7 characters that are yet to be reworked could see significant gameplay changes to them. Ahem after all: In Klei’s own words- Spoiler I hope they live up to that promise in the Spoiler.. these Characters are showing progressions, improvements, development in their abilities and skills etc.. Woodie even has an official lore description in his compendium page that details the origins of his transformation idols and how Wickerbottom helped him to gain control over his curse- This is Character Progression... And I sincerely hope the remaining 7 characters in need of Reworks also receive this same sort of learned/developed progression treatment. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125803-how-should-the-remaining-characters-get-reworks/#findComment-1414077 Share on other sites More sharing options...
viberr Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 guys this dude is new to the forums cut him some slack alright? Welcome to the forums.hope you enjoy your time here Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125803-how-should-the-remaining-characters-get-reworks/#findComment-1414216 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seero Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 1 minute ago, stranger again said: guys this dude is new to the forums cut him some slack alright? actually the problem is that he's new to the game Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125803-how-should-the-remaining-characters-get-reworks/#findComment-1414217 Share on other sites More sharing options...
viberr Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, Seero said: actually the problem is that he's new to the game how do you know that? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125803-how-should-the-remaining-characters-get-reworks/#findComment-1414219 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seero Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 Just now, stranger again said: how do you know that? its extremely obvious Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125803-how-should-the-remaining-characters-get-reworks/#findComment-1414223 Share on other sites More sharing options...
viberr Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 3 minutes ago, Seero said: its extremely obvious i would like you to fully explain why this person is new to DST Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125803-how-should-the-remaining-characters-get-reworks/#findComment-1414225 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Moth Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 I personally think that a good nerf for Wortox would be to take away his head slot. It makes sense, because his horns would get in the way, and it's a good balance because he can't use many of these items that are incredibly useful such as the football helmet, tam o' shanter, moggles, bee queen crown, and eyebrella, and this would lead players to think much more strategically when playing Wortox because one of the most valuable ingame mechanics is now gone. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125803-how-should-the-remaining-characters-get-reworks/#findComment-1414280 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairyInABottle Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 I'd like to see Wailani become the de facto "at sea" character. Maybe instead of a surfboard she could have a canoe and spear or net fish. 2 hours ago, Seero said: its extremely obvious The extremely obvious thing is your disdain for new players, going by your Wolfgang thread. What is the point of going into a thread only to take shots at someone? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125803-how-should-the-remaining-characters-get-reworks/#findComment-1414284 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seero Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 Just now, FairyInABottle said: The extremely obvious thing is your disdain for new players That is not true Just now, FairyInABottle said: going by your Wolfgang thread That is unrelated. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125803-how-should-the-remaining-characters-get-reworks/#findComment-1414285 Share on other sites More sharing options...
viberr Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 39 minutes ago, Seero said: That is not true i dun know man you literally said this 3 hours ago, Seero said: actually the problem is that he's new to the game and in my opinion everyones opinion should be said even if its overpowered or not and even if they're new to the game or not Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125803-how-should-the-remaining-characters-get-reworks/#findComment-1414297 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinknAllie Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 Wortox is overpowered and I would like to see him nerfed. 20 health per soul and you can get an entire stack with butterflies in under a minute. But that that teleporting across the map thing just doesn't really change anything. He can just teleport to cave entrances and other places to farm souls instead of planting a bunch of flowers for butterflies. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125803-how-should-the-remaining-characters-get-reworks/#findComment-1414299 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wons Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 17 hours ago, aidancode said: Webber: no rework. reason: already a pretty balanced character. i disagree with this with my entire body Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125803-how-should-the-remaining-characters-get-reworks/#findComment-1414312 Share on other sites More sharing options...
aidancode Posted January 7, 2021 Author Share Posted January 7, 2021 6 hours ago, Seero said: actually the problem is that he's new to the game not wrong, i tend to spend a lot more time looking at the wiki and watching dst videos on youtube, and although i have some amount around 40 hours in the game i dont tend to see how things work in practice, just in theory. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125803-how-should-the-remaining-characters-get-reworks/#findComment-1414374 Share on other sites More sharing options...
landromat Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 excuse me but webber is boring as hell and needs rework to make him something more interesting. Also would be nice to see viable spiders minions Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125803-how-should-the-remaining-characters-get-reworks/#findComment-1414384 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterious box Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 As far as willow is concerned I'd like it if Bernie could come out earlier in her sanity even if that means she goes insane earlier maybe even a ability to prevent herself from becoming sane. My biggest issue with the current willow is her lack of control over bernie it's very easy for him to drop out of a fight when you need him well he does atleast do what he was designed to fight shadows well. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125803-how-should-the-remaining-characters-get-reworks/#findComment-1414385 Share on other sites More sharing options...
viberr Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 1 hour ago, aidancode said: not wrong, i tend to spend a lot more time looking at the wiki and watching dst videos on youtube, and although i have some amount around 40 hours in the game i dont tend to see how things work in practice, just in theory. well we still value your opinions and ideas Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125803-how-should-the-remaining-characters-get-reworks/#findComment-1414396 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toroic Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 2 hours ago, aidancode said: not wrong, i tend to spend a lot more time looking at the wiki and watching dst videos on youtube, and although i have some amount around 40 hours in the game i dont tend to see how things work in practice, just in theory. In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they aren’t. Your rework ideas are pretty on par from someone who has a surface level understanding of perks and the game without much time playing it or particularly playing with a team. I could nitpick about your wolfgang change suggesting that he do 75% damage in all forms (you actually said 0.75% damage meaning he would do less than 1% damage) but that would put his normal form at the same damage as Wendy, and his maximum mighty form only 25% more damage than Wigfrid. A better example though would be you saying Webber needs no changes. The issue with this is that Wendy can farm spiders almost as well as Webber can, but can also farm bees and splumonkies too. Unlike Webber, Wendy can also use pigman/bunnyman minions which are vastly superior to spiders. From a team aspect, there’s no reason to play Webber over Wendy and Webber’s mechanics are fairly dull especially compared to post-refresh characters. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125803-how-should-the-remaining-characters-get-reworks/#findComment-1414418 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seero Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 6 hours ago, stranger again said: and in my opinion everyones opinion should be said even if its overpowered or not and even if they're new to the game or not Whatever you think, it's not going to stop people from dismissing it because: 33 minutes ago, Toros said: Your rework ideas are pretty on par from someone who has a surface level understanding of perks and the game without much time playing it or particularly playing with a team. If he wants to suggest something he can, but if his suggestions want to be considered he needs to play the game more, instead of suggesting for the sake of suggesting, 2 hours ago, stranger again said: well we still value your opinions and ideas You* value his ideas OP you're a cool guy but for now, just get more experience in the game, you will have a lot more fun that way Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125803-how-should-the-remaining-characters-get-reworks/#findComment-1414437 Share on other sites More sharing options...
viberr Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 1 minute ago, Seero said: OP you're a cool guy but for now, just get more experience in the game, you will have a lot more fun that way thanks captain obvious Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125803-how-should-the-remaining-characters-get-reworks/#findComment-1414439 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seero Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 5 minutes ago, stranger again said: thanks captain obvious 9 hours ago, stranger again said: i would like you to fully explain why this person is new to DST Unless you mean its obvious that OP is cool? In that case, how flattering I'm sure he will appreciate it Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125803-how-should-the-remaining-characters-get-reworks/#findComment-1414440 Share on other sites More sharing options...
viberr Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 1 minute ago, Seero said: Unless you mean its obvious that OP is cool? In that case, how flattering I'm sure he will appreciate it its a saying when someone says something that is really obvious like duh they will have fun if they play more thats really obvious (i was going to say"no s#it sherlock" which is another saying but swearing is a big no on so i instead used"thanks captain obvious") Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125803-how-should-the-remaining-characters-get-reworks/#findComment-1414442 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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