minespatch Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 Y'know, I bet Klei could recycle those Tesla trees which could help the more scientifically minded of the party which would benefit WX, Wickerbottom, Winona, Wilson, annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd? Up to you guys how Tesla trees would work. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/120086-troubled-waters-and-the-future-of-dst/page/3/#findComment-1354114 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaZoul Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 1 minute ago, minespatch said: Y'know, I bet Klei could recycle those Tesla trees which could help the more scientifically minded of the party which would benefit WX, Wickerbottom, Winona, Wilson, annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd? Up to you guys how Tesla trees would work. I uh- I am unsure as to what you are talking about right now Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/120086-troubled-waters-and-the-future-of-dst/page/3/#findComment-1354115 Share on other sites More sharing options...
minespatch Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 1 minute ago, DaZoul said: I uh- I am unsure as to what you are talking about right now I want to see unreleased concepts to be recycled to use. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/120086-troubled-waters-and-the-future-of-dst/page/3/#findComment-1354116 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaZoul Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 Just now, minespatch said: ooooooooo looks sexy. Wagstaff could also use this, if he ever comes to DST, and I have no idea why he wouldn't. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/120086-troubled-waters-and-the-future-of-dst/page/3/#findComment-1354118 Share on other sites More sharing options...
minespatch Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, DaZoul said: have no idea why he wouldn't. I vote for either Wagstaff or Professor Mourier to be the future throne sitter. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/120086-troubled-waters-and-the-future-of-dst/page/3/#findComment-1354120 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaZoul Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, minespatch said: Professor Mourier yeah uh I dont really know who that is Is that another unused character from the files? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/120086-troubled-waters-and-the-future-of-dst/page/3/#findComment-1354122 Share on other sites More sharing options...
minespatch Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 1 minute ago, DaZoul said: yeah uh I dont really know who that is Is that another unused character from the files? Wendy lore drop Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/120086-troubled-waters-and-the-future-of-dst/page/3/#findComment-1354123 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike23Ua Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 7 minutes ago, DaZoul said: ooooooooo looks sexy. Wagstaff could also use this, if he ever comes to DST, and I have no idea why he wouldn't. Same reason Walani or Wheeler wouldn’t Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/120086-troubled-waters-and-the-future-of-dst/page/3/#findComment-1354124 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaZoul Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 1 minute ago, minespatch said: Wendy lore drop Ehhh seems like just a background character for me. Wagstaff tho is very welcome. e would work awesomly, having great singeplayer skills (the cool goggles) and multiplayer skills (the Thumper and Telibrella/pad) 1 minute ago, Mike23Ua said: Same reason Walani or Wheeler wouldn’t Not really. Walter is already here taking the place of ranged glass cannon character away from Wheeler, and Walani... Idk man, imo she just aint good, and even worse in DST, cause there aint too many things on the ocean to be rushing it for. If you say Lunar Island, Woodie already takes the place of rushing that, so yeah Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/120086-troubled-waters-and-the-future-of-dst/page/3/#findComment-1354126 Share on other sites More sharing options...
minespatch Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 1 minute ago, DaZoul said: Ehhh seems like just a background character for me. Wagstaff tho is very welcome. e would work awesomly, having great singeplayer skills (the cool goggles) and multiplayer skills (the Thumper and Telibrella/pad) I'm rather hoping he becomes the next throne sitter. He seems well intentioned but seems dubious at the same time. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/120086-troubled-waters-and-the-future-of-dst/page/3/#findComment-1354128 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaZoul Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 Just now, minespatch said: I'm rather hoping he becomes the next throne sitter. He seems well intentioned but seems dubious at the same time. He? Which one do you mean now? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/120086-troubled-waters-and-the-future-of-dst/page/3/#findComment-1354130 Share on other sites More sharing options...
minespatch Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 12 minutes ago, DaZoul said: He? Which one do you mean now? Wagstaff. His dialogue seems to have a sinister tone due to his misguided optimism. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/120086-troubled-waters-and-the-future-of-dst/page/3/#findComment-1354133 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaZoul Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 1 minute ago, minespatch said: Wagstaff. His dialogue seems to have a sinister tone due to his misguided optimism. Yeah. Not just that, but he seems reeeaaaaalllllly intrigued to be in the Constant, and his quotes for the Nightmare Throne are also pretty damn sinister. Plus let's not forget he made WX, and they are... well not the type who does charity every Saturday Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/120086-troubled-waters-and-the-future-of-dst/page/3/#findComment-1354134 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pikapikap Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 It's already Thursday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! let's go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/120086-troubled-waters-and-the-future-of-dst/page/3/#findComment-1354135 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaZoul Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 It is Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/120086-troubled-waters-and-the-future-of-dst/page/3/#findComment-1354136 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike23Ua Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 31 minutes ago, DaZoul said: Ehhh seems like just a background character for me. Wagstaff tho is very welcome. e would work awesomly, having great singeplayer skills (the cool goggles) and multiplayer skills (the Thumper and Telibrella/pad) Not really. Walter is already here taking the place of ranged glass cannon character away from Wheeler, and Walani... Idk man, imo she just aint good, and even worse in DST, cause there aint too many things on the ocean to be rushing it for. If you say Lunar Island, Woodie already takes the place of rushing that, so yeah Woodie in Goose Mode can’t pluck Seaweeds to help a Wurt easily and quickly build her Royal Tapestry Early game, I have about come to decision that every character in the franchise has their own uses, and each of them have a fanbase of people who actually WANT to play as them. Its not about how good a character is for “End Game Content..” It’s about how fun said character is to play overall.. You wouldn’t see a Wendy communing with a ton of Pipspook for End game goals, no it’s just something fun and extra for her that makes playing as her unique. and that’s the direction I would like to see every single character go in, standing out, being unique and offering up a drastically different playstyle from others. So Walani’s thing is surfing.. and Wheelers thing is Baseball slides & shooting stuff with a Clown Tricycle Horn, They May not be these “god tier” characters your wanting them to be, but they’re still fun to play as.. Otherwise Klei would’ve sent them the way of Warbucks before they even released em. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/120086-troubled-waters-and-the-future-of-dst/page/3/#findComment-1354137 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArubaroBeefalo Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 4 hours ago, HeilerderWelten said: Adding Shipwrecked content would solve so many problems that I have with the DST ocean content. the SW bioms, the diffrent ships (and the SW boat mechanics for them), Tigershark, Quacken and Sealnado. All of that would animate me to play the ocean content., If they do it what will animate you and other to play SW? I prefer original content so when i dont want to play dst i can play sw or hamlet 1 hour ago, minespatch said: I want to see unreleased concepts to be recycled to use. Hyperion by dan simmons, the best scifi book i have read so far but i think that was the old biome for volt goats. I love the idea and reference but klei moved the goats to the dessert :/ Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/120086-troubled-waters-and-the-future-of-dst/page/3/#findComment-1354145 Share on other sites More sharing options...
camelCase Posted July 16, 2020 Author Share Posted July 16, 2020 [removed] 22 hours ago, X-lem said: Sure we're in the 5th part of the beta. So what? I think you're missing the big picture because we're all missing the big pictures. The beta isn't done yet, we don't know how much is left. You have no idea what's going to be added/changed. Klei adding mast upgrades proves nothing other than they'll likely keep the boat that's currently there. Does it prove they won't add more/different boats? No. You don't know, I don't know. Sure you and others can say "the ocean in it's current state is pointless." Sure, maybe it is, but they're not done. You said in your OP that you are becoming less convinced this will all come together with each release. Why? Development takes a long time. The ocean content is huge and will likely take them (in my estimation) at least another year to complete. Shipwrecked, RoG, A New Reign were months in the making after initial release. I know things are different with Covid but if you think either 1) Klei will spend another year on RoT (assuming Covid doesn't affect working to the same degree) and 2) What we have already is going to drastically change, then I'm simply going to wish you well with your level of optimism, but there's no way you and I can have a worthwhile discussion. I take your point about missing the big picture and I really hope there is some magic Klei is going to pull in order to tie all the content altogether... If they don't have it planned though, I hope it's posts such as these and feedback from the community which help make that happen. I've received no indication from Klei that RoT is deliberately being developed in such a way so as to not unbalance, or even effect, the existing game (if that's the case PLEASE someone prove me wrong) but that's what it feels like to me and the cause of some of my concerns. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/120086-troubled-waters-and-the-future-of-dst/page/3/#findComment-1354146 Share on other sites More sharing options...
camelCase Posted July 16, 2020 Author Share Posted July 16, 2020 11 hours ago, GetNerfedOn said: I'd certainly prefer Return of Them to give a more unique, thematically appropriate approach to new content. That in and of itself is more enriching content than just copypasting old content from other DLCs regardless of whether they fit the game's setting. About boats, they've introduced an entire new array of gameplay (e.g. more complicated boat operation, prepared expeditions, boat construction dynamics, boat bases) alongside them rather than just being SW's water shoes. While they're less convenient and more difficult to use, to me they're still very much enriching content due to the aforementioned new layer of gameplay they add. While overall the ocean is still incomplete and uninteresting to me I like that it managed to pull off the aesthetic of a deserted, stony ocean on a temperate setting. I like your points here and this comes closest to rewording my thoughts with more optimism. I see enriching content as something I would actively look to do with every new world. Successfully completing Adventure mode, Gorge, Forge (the last two with changes to fit the game admittedly) for some worthwhile reward is the kind of thing I'm talking about. I've done all of the ocean content and not only did I also find it "incomplete and uninteresting", I can only see myself cherry picking items for about a season and then ignoring the fact it's there. Compare the ocean to the caves as a new area for players to discover... with the caves I get lanterns, moggles, more minerals, bunnies, a place which is beneficial to explore for 28% of my time, overworld affected mechanics (antlion), decent snurtle armour (I'm looking at you cookie cutter) etc.. and that's ignoring all of the ruins items. I get that RoT is absolutely what Klei should be investing in other than limited events but I guess I would sum up my feelings by saying they've only achieved the same thing with RoT- something you do and enjoy once or twice but has no real effect on the base game. As much as I've lauded stone-fruit, glass cutters and salt-boxes (after being reminded) you can absolutely do without them. By the time you can get stone-fruit, you could have pig/bunny/actual farms. By the time you can get glass cutters, you can have dark swords (which are good against everything). By the time you can have a salt-box, you can have bundling wrap (I do still love salt-boxes though). For items which should be much better for survivability in the constant you find there are already better alternatives which we've been using all along. Not only that, these items are equally less effective in the ocean from whence they came! I don't use salt-boxes on my boat; I use bundling wrap. I don't use cookie cutter caps, glass swords or tridents; I use football helmets, dark swords and thulecite clubs/crowns. I would make a large bet that the majority of the community does the same. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/120086-troubled-waters-and-the-future-of-dst/page/3/#findComment-1354151 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MondayNight Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 I do hope KLei has a cohesive and comprehensive view from start about what "Return of Them" is suppose to be, its story/lore, biomes with mobs/bosses plus inherent mechanics around all mentioned. And not something born exclusively of "lets bring something-anything new to DST base-game to somewhat refresh its aging and stale-by-now state" with on-the-go concepts. I still have hopes up even if loot from all current Ocean mobs and bosses is quite lackluster; even if all Ocean content is mandatory atm of this post and not really enticing or that useful (except Stone Fruit Bushes, Bull Kelp, Salt mainly for Salt Boxes and Moon Glass Axes). Sure current boat (even if weird in shape) is an interesting concept - I myself am all for being able to place all-and-various structures on boats as per one's wishes, congruent with Sandbox nature of game - and I do fancy sailing the seas in treasure-hunt quests, also fishing (and by extension the fishing mechanic). But Moon Island needs to be alluring long-term, likewise Ocean, with seasonal attractions, mobs and diverse weather year-long. Both Ocean and Lunar archipelago need a lot more biomes, creatures, plants, with inherent dangers and rewards. A hybrid between SW's livelihood and Ruins' interesting loot if one wants similarities in form and function. As of now I'm on the proverbial fence regarding how good RoT is and might be. I don't have much incentive in taking down neither Malbatross or Crab King because frankly their loot-table is very lacking imo. And as soon as I've gone to Moon once I can say I got what was needing from there and that's that. And is sad, because all the art behind these elements is beautiful - what aspects have been introduced on new Ocean keep a certain vision-line to feel solid. But, once more: the recurrence, repeatability are quite low. Time will tell. ANR felt disjointed as well until the last 2-3 updates to it. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/120086-troubled-waters-and-the-future-of-dst/page/3/#findComment-1354189 Share on other sites More sharing options...
X-lem Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 4 hours ago, camelCase said: Cherry picking comments, removing them from context, and simply comparing the whole thing to numerous others as if I'm adding nothing to the argument... you knew exactly what you were doing! ... It does to me. Apparently they're not done yet and everything is subject to a complete rework so there's no point commenting. If you don't think what we have already isn't a solid foundation then I don't know how to even start a discussion with you. I find it ironic that you would tell others to "No, just take the thing that I said literally and don't think it implies anything other than what was stated." and then not do that yourself. It's difficult to have a conversation with someone when they willing misinterpret what someone said. https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/120086-troubled-waters-and-the-future-of-dst/?do=findComment&comment=1353972 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/120086-troubled-waters-and-the-future-of-dst/page/3/#findComment-1354195 Share on other sites More sharing options...
noeticmoose Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 I know I'm late to the party, but as someone who enjoys a lot of story/character driven games, there are times when I also feel that the lore in DS/DST is a bit incohesive and random. This isn't an attack on Klei; I wouldn't be here on the forums if I didn't thoroughly enjoy the games and support them as a company. One of my favorite things about the game are the little insights we get from each character's unique lines, which I'm sure took lots of time and thought [and patience] to come up with. That being said, I have tons of questions that I don't always feel confident about getting answers to. And OF COURSE Klei should not be rushed in crafting their story. OF COURSE we should expect things to slow down because of Covid. None of the things I have questions about are ultimately THAT important. But a little indication about where the story is going would be nice. Or maybe DST was never meant to be that sort of game. Which is fine. I'm not aware of a lot of sandbox games with deep, interconnecting story lines [but feel free to correct me]. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/120086-troubled-waters-and-the-future-of-dst/page/3/#findComment-1354208 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conejoo Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 I mean, i totally get you frustration. I do not agree with it, i really dig everything sea related. BUT, i also can't understand the complaints of the people saying it is incohesive and underwhelming when Return of Them is still not finished. We are getting little bits at a time, i expect that once it is finished everything "not cohesive" will be explained, but until then i see no point in complaining. Even mechanics are unfinished right now, we are still getting things for mechanics introduced on the first ROT update. The way I see it, this post is nothing more than pure impatience. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/120086-troubled-waters-and-the-future-of-dst/page/3/#findComment-1354362 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeilerderWelten Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 I played SW around 80-100 hours, but I want to play it with my girlfriend. Multiplayer + DST content. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/120086-troubled-waters-and-the-future-of-dst/page/3/#findComment-1354416 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike23Ua Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 7 hours ago, ArubaroBeefalo said: If they do it what will animate you and other to play SW? I prefer original content so when i dont want to play dst i can play sw or hamlet See the thing about that is- I own DS, DS Shipwrecked, DS Hamlet, and DST.. And if you play Don’t Starve... you can play regular DS, DS Shipwrecked, DS Hamlet Or even best of All.. you can toggle on DLC Compatibility and Play Regular DS with Shipwrecked and Hamlet features thrown into it.. as seen in this video Here- Palm Tree Biomes (that I beg for Endlessly) Have ALWAYS Existed in Single Player DS even OUTSIDE of the Shipwrecked DLC. So the Thing I would (personally) like to see is the DLCs that I have already purchased becoming compatible with DST.... To Answer your question- I WOULDNT Play Shipwrecked or Hamlet or Single Player DS Anymore... because I could NOW play SW or Hamlet content in DST With my friends... But most important of ALL I would still have to buy the Add ons (which I already have) to host Shipwrecked or Hamlet Themed worlds. Again... it’s Identical to how you play DS single player and then choose rather you want to play the Standard game, Shipwrecked or Hamlet.. Except- DST would be the new Standard Edition. I realize that this would be a TON of work for the Dev Team (so I’m not expecting it anytime Before year 2022) but the TL:DR is I don’t want to have to choose between playing my newly purchased Hamlet DLC Alone by myself and without periodically earning cool cosmetics, or not enjoying Hamlet and playing forced to play standard DST to earn skins & play with friends. I get so tired of sounding like a broken repetitive record player playing the same old tune.. Ironic coming from THIS Game but anyway.. I just want to be able to play and enjoy the content I’ve already purchased, but with a friend.. is that Too much to ask for? There are MODS on PC that let them ALREADY do this & for Absolutely FREE... Meanwhile those of us on Console just want the DLC’s we paid for to be handled like Minecraft- Where only the HOST needs to buy the DLCs but anyone can join and play in their world with them rather they themselves do or do not own the DLC. Again I Will ask... is the broken record thing I ask for, REALLY That Unreasonable? </3 IMG_0450.MP4 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/120086-troubled-waters-and-the-future-of-dst/page/3/#findComment-1354426 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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