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Do Pips plant Wheezeworts?

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SamLogan    956
8 hours ago, badfrogg said:

I ask because mine do not.

Important thing, wild Wheezewort have a cooling factor divided by 4. So 1 WW in Hydrogen will cool 3000 DTU/sec instead of 12 000 DTU/sec

I really don't see the advantage to use it in a wild form given you have tons of phosphorite on the asteroid and you can produce some with Dreckos.

 

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Gurgel    1552
53 minutes ago, SamLogan said:

I really don't see the advantage to use it in a wild form given you have tons of phosphorite on the asteroid and you can produce some with Dreckos.

The benefits from using them wild are that you can do without dupe labor. You can also encapsulate them completely that way. 

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SamLogan    956
3 hours ago, Gurgel said:

The benefits from using them wild are that you can do without dupe labor. You can also encapsulate them completely that way. 

You don't need Duplicant to feed them, just use arms. And there's another inconvenient, you're limited to 3 plants each 9 tiles, so you will need a huge room for a small cooling effect.wwt.thumb.png.4efd3d23f7a0b48492aea715fa341183.png

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Gurgel    1552
2 hours ago, SamLogan said:

You don't need Duplicant to feed them, just use arms. And there's another inconvenient, you're limited to 3 plants each 9 tiles, so you will need a huge room for a small cooling effect.

On the plus-side, once you planted them, the cooling is completely free.

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thejams    81

Those 9 WW provide 27 kDTU of cooling, which equates to saving about 55 watts in an Aquatuner cooling H2O/pH2O.  You can also get at least 50% of that power back in a Steam Turbine setup, so the power saving is negligible.

I was also pretty suprised at how easy it is to setup an Aquatuner/Steam Turbine cooler now (coming back to ONI after a year pause), so definitely not seeing any benefit to Wheezeworts.

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badfrogg    0

Thanks. Yeah. there is a lot that not documented about how Pips work. I'm not sure what is still relevant in the current build of the game. My Pip would not plant even one where there were no other plants for many (like 15) tiles in any direction. I waited for at least 20 cycles and gave up on the idea. I am playing Mini Base so free cooling, even at 1/4 power, would have been useful. 

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Gurgel    1552
22 minutes ago, badfrogg said:

Thanks. Yeah. there is a lot that not documented about how Pips work. I'm not sure what is still relevant in the current build of the game. My Pip would not plant even one where there were no other plants for many (like 15) tiles in any direction. I waited for at least 20 cycles and gave up on the idea. I am playing Mini Base so free cooling, even at 1/4 power, would have been useful. 

Are you sure? Not all plants show up in the farming overlay. Air pressure has to be right as well. I never had an instance where the known rules did not work.

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Artorias36    19

Another rule is about the distance. Be sure the seed is near the planting zone and not too far. Also be sure the pip can actually go there.

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Prince Mandor    174

 

17 hours ago, badfrogg said:

Thanks. Yeah. there is a lot that not documented about how Pips work. I'm not sure what is still relevant in the current build of the game. My Pip would not plant even one where there were no other plants for many (like 15) tiles in any direction. I waited for at least 20 cycles and gave up on the idea. I am playing Mini Base so free cooling, even at 1/4 power, would have been useful. 

can you provide screenshot of this situation?

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sheaker    57
21 hours ago, Gurgel said:

Air pressure has to be right as well.

Not only pressure but temperature and gas/liquid element also. Environment must be life supporting for the seed.
They plant seeds only on natural tiles. Hardness must be below some level (155 I think).

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Gurgel    1552
30 minutes ago, sheaker said:

Not only pressure but temperature and gas/liquid element also. Environment must be life supporting for the seed.
They plant seeds only on natural tiles. Hardness must be below some level (155 I think).

You are right. Basically hardness of the natural tile (no idea, but iron and copper ore from doors works), and all the condition the plant wants to have. In addition to the distance requirements.

 

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bleeter6    210
On 6/22/2020 at 7:35 AM, thejams said:

Those 9 WW provide 27 kDTU of cooling, which equates to saving about 55 watts in an Aquatuner cooling H2O/pH2O.  You can also get at least 50% of that power back in a Steam Turbine setup, so the power saving is negligible.

I was also pretty suprised at how easy it is to setup an Aquatuner/Steam Turbine cooler now (coming back to ONI after a year pause), so definitely not seeing any benefit to Wheezeworts.

Sometimes you need a scalpel not a sledgehammer.

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thejams    81
On 6/22/2020 at 1:35 PM, thejams said:

Those 9 WW provide 27 kDTU of cooling...

I kinda overlooked that those WW are in CO2, so the amount of cooling they provide is more like 9 kDTU...

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RonEmpire    545

Answer is yes.       Need to meet the pip planting rules.    And make sure there is enough pressure.   They won't plant them in vaccum 

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sheaker    57
19 hours ago, RonEmpire said:

And make sure there is enough pressure.

It is worth to keep in mind that description about pressure is inadequate. Required pressure for most of plants is 200g/tile, not 150g/tile as per description.

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nakomaru    1552
On 7/1/2020 at 12:53 AM, sheaker said:

It is worth to keep in mind that description about pressure is inadequate. Required pressure for most of plants is 200g/tile, not 150g/tile as per description.

The description is above 100g, and it is still accurate.

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Pardon me, I mean the description in the linked thread. The requirements for growth in-game do indicate 150g, but they are unrelated to pip planting. Furthermore, the pip-required temperature range has between 50C and 100C extra leeway in either direction compared to the growth requirements. It depends on the particular plant, with no pattern that I could observe. I did not test all seeds.

You can see six varieties of plants having been planted in thermium tiles with 101g/tile of propane atmosphere in the live branch. They will fail to be planted at 100g/tile.

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On 6/25/2020 at 9:42 PM, sheaker said:

and gas/liquid element also

Elements and phase doesn't appear to matter. Above is propane, here is 150kg of supercoolant.

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sheaker    57
5 hours ago, nakomaru said:

The description is above 100g, and it is still accurate.

That's what I mean:

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As You can see even with 210g/tile plants are not growing.

5 hours ago, nakomaru said:

You can see six varieties of plants having been planted in thermium tiles with 101g/tile of propane atmosphere in the live branch. They will fail to be planted at 100g/tile

You are right. They can plant seed in atmosphere not fully supporting life. I didn't know that.

 

5 hours ago, nakomaru said:

Elements and phase doesn't appear to matter. Above is propane, here is 150kg of supercoolant.

That's what I mean:

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nakomaru    1552
4 hours ago, sheaker said:

As You can see even with 210g/tile plants are not growing.

Hmm, can't reproduce that one either. (Live Branch)

149g:

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151g (the bristle blossom is only halted due to illumination; the fern and waterweed are due to element):

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Testing Sleet Wheat also worked.

150g will maintain whichever previous state it was in.

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sheaker    57
5 hours ago, nakomaru said:

Hmm, can't reproduce that one either. (Live Branch)

149g:

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151g (the bristle blossom is only halted due to illumination; the fern and waterweed are due to element):

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Testing Sleet Wheat also worked.

150g will maintain whichever previous state it was in.

That's strange. I am on Live also. I was reporting this bug earlier so it was not 'one time behavior'.

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