Ragwar Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 Her quotes to the lantern: "POOR SCALE-LESS CAN'T SEE IN DARK" ant when the torch extinguishes: "CAN STILL SEE" provides sufficient evidence that Wurt as a merm should be able to see in the dark (merms have darkvision). But I think that if this feature is implemented in some way or another it would be game breaking... if no please tell us how darkvision would be balanced. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113200-wurt-planned-to-have-darkvision/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
zergologist Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 Maybe a balanced way to do that would be darkness safety time increased by 50%, and can do actions in the dark (Pick up things, mine, chop, work) Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113200-wurt-planned-to-have-darkvision/#findComment-1279133 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-met Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 perhaps simply have charlie disabled for her? There's far more to raw darkness than charlie. It gives a huge sanity decrease, you can't defend yourself from opponents and you can't use any structure or tool. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113200-wurt-planned-to-have-darkvision/#findComment-1279136 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nino123 Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 By the way, why does Charlie try to kill Wurt (and Wortox and Wormwood or Wilba) as she is just a merm ? She don't kill other Merms (or a Krampus, living plant, pigs) ... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113200-wurt-planned-to-have-darkvision/#findComment-1279138 Share on other sites More sharing options...
metallichydra Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, Nino123 said: By the way, why does Charlie try to kill Wurt (and Wortox and Wormwood or Wilba) as she is just a merm ? She don't kill other Merms (or a Krampus, living plant, pigs) ... probably because they help the other survivors. or maybe she only attacks clever creatures? Spoiler but thats probably not the reason, because she attacks Wolfgang too Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113200-wurt-planned-to-have-darkvision/#findComment-1279142 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frashaw27 Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 13 minutes ago, Nino123 said: By the way, why does Charlie try to kill Wurt (and Wortox and Wormwood or Wilba) as she is just a merm ? She don't kill other Merms (or a Krampus, living plant, pigs) ... I think its because all of the constant creatures are asleep (a majority at least)and thus they can't attack her because they don't see the darkness. Its not night that causes Charlie to wake up, its the survivors seeing the darkness that provokes her. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113200-wurt-planned-to-have-darkvision/#findComment-1279145 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrimbles Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 48 minutes ago, Frashaw27 said: Its the survivors seeing the darkness that provokes her. Interesting theory, but explain Wicker, shes always got her eyes closed. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113200-wurt-planned-to-have-darkvision/#findComment-1279161 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frashaw27 Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 12 minutes ago, Ogrecakes said: Interesting theory, but explain Wicker, shes always got her eyes closed. She got reverse eyes. Her eyes open when shes sleeping and close whem she is awake. It that or she just has asian eyes, where the eyelids are so close together they seem connected. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113200-wurt-planned-to-have-darkvision/#findComment-1279167 Share on other sites More sharing options...
axxel Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 Fishes cannot see without light. But they have an organ called neuromasts. With that they can touch the surroundings ike pressure differences and water movement - they "see". With that they can sense objects in dark water/night and don't accidentely bumb into something. You might heard of sharks whose can sense the electromagnetic field of the earth. That's my theory about Wurt's quotes. However, she isn't in water. Make your own conclusions, maybe Merms are adapted their senses on land. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113200-wurt-planned-to-have-darkvision/#findComment-1279182 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrimbles Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 51 minutes ago, Frashaw27 said: She got reverse eyes. Her eyes open when shes sleeping and close whem she is awake. It that or she just has asian eyes, where the eyelids are so close together they seem connected. Lore. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113200-wurt-planned-to-have-darkvision/#findComment-1279197 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxposting Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Frashaw27 said: She got reverse eyes. Her eyes open when shes sleeping and close whem she is awake. It that or she just has asian eyes, where the eyelids are so close together they seem connected. She is just insomniac and is close to slumber everytime and when she finally falls asleep... Spoiler You see ungodly horror that is her eyes trying to stay awake Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113200-wurt-planned-to-have-darkvision/#findComment-1279206 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nino123 Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 Or maybe she attack them 'cause they're like half human. Wortox look like to have an empathie for living creatures (he don't like eating souls), Wormwood is Half human/half plant, and Wurt has horns, she is ot like other merms. And Wiba... well, forget it. I have no idea. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113200-wurt-planned-to-have-darkvision/#findComment-1279414 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khalon Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 She can't see while it's morning time!!! Maybe she could sees completely white screen and maybe lose health over time coz of light damaging her eyes unless you equip some sort of eye's protector Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113200-wurt-planned-to-have-darkvision/#findComment-1279435 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electroely Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 Maybe all the creatures Charlie attacks are creatures that aren't living the same way other creatures of their species live. Wortox is supposed to be evil/malicious (like Krampus, I think), Wurt isn't supposed to try to learn more about the Survivors, Wilba's supposed to just live in the cities of her people, Wormwood is probably something Charlie doesn't want to exist, you get the idea. She wants things to be a certain way, and these creatures are being a problem. About Wurt's ability to see in the dark... Her Charlie warning quote does say that she thinks she saw "the night lady". I doubt anyone can see anything in pitch-black darkness without some form of night vision. It could be interpreted that Charlie just likes the darkness better, but then it wouldn't make sense for the Moggles (or Woodie's Wereforms) to work the way they do. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113200-wurt-planned-to-have-darkvision/#findComment-1279445 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satop Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 12 minutes ago, Electroely said: Maybe all the creatures Charlie attacks are creatures that aren't living the same way other creatures of their species live. Wortox is supposed to be evil/malicious (like Krampus, I think), Wurt isn't supposed to try to learn more about the Survivors, Wilba's supposed to just live in the cities of her people, Wormwood is probably something Charlie doesn't want to exist, you get the idea. She wants things to be a certain way, and these creatures are being a problem. About Wurt's ability to see in the dark... Her Charlie warning quote does say that she thinks she saw "the night lady". I doubt anyone can see anything in pitch-black darkness without some form of night vision. It could be interpreted that Charlie just likes the darkness better, but then it wouldn't make sense for the Moggles (or Woodie's Wereforms) to work the way they do. I think Hamlet pigs are also affected by Charlie!! They are very afraid of the dark and sleep indoors every night, as well as light the streets. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113200-wurt-planned-to-have-darkvision/#findComment-1279448 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electroely Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 4 minutes ago, Satop said: I think Hamlet pigs are also affected by Charlie!! They are very afraid of the dark and sleep indoors every night, as well as light the streets. That may be true, but with some game mechanics here and there you can prove that Hamlet pigs staying awake in the darkness don't get attacked by Charlie. I'm not sure how much game mechanics play into the lore, but there's that. By my theory, Hamlet pigs wouldn't be affected by Charlie because they're living in their own cities, as they should. Wilba wants to adventure & explore, which Charlie doesn't like. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113200-wurt-planned-to-have-darkvision/#findComment-1279449 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satop Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, Electroely said: That may be true, but with some game mechanics here and there you can prove that Hamlet pigs staying awake in the darkness don't get attacked by Charlie. I'm not sure how much game mechanics play into the lore, but there's that. I wouldn't consider that canon - You really have to go out of your way to achieve it, to an unreasonable extent. But maybe. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113200-wurt-planned-to-have-darkvision/#findComment-1279450 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electroely Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Satop said: I wouldn't consider that canon - You really have to go out of your way to achieve it, to an unreasonable extent. But maybe. You can attack & chase a homeless Hamlet pig in the darkness (while wearing Moggles to stop Charlie from attacking you) to see that they aren't attacked by her. But I think the fun of making theories is that we can have our own interpretations. Especially in games like Don't Starve, where the lore is very vague and the game mechanics can cause conflicts because of how much potential they have. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113200-wurt-planned-to-have-darkvision/#findComment-1279451 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrimbles Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 7 hours ago, Electroely said: But then it wouldn't make sense for the Moggles (or Woodie's Wereforms) to work the way they do. Moggles kinda invert light, in some strange set of logic that could make sense. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113200-wurt-planned-to-have-darkvision/#findComment-1279570 Share on other sites More sharing options...
maradyne Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 It's weird, because Merms get around in the night and seem to prefer 'not day'...presumably they can see in the dark. Wurt herself straight up says that she can see in the dark. ANNOUNCE_TORCH_OUT = "Can still see, florp!", But I do like the explanations above. That Charlie goes after people who perceive the darkness, or interact with it in some way. And that Wurt is a target because she's different; she helps the survivors, she makes light sources, she upsets the natural order. She must be contained. TL;DR it seems that Merms and Wurt do have night vision, but that she doesn't have it as a mechanic due to balance or lore. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113200-wurt-planned-to-have-darkvision/#findComment-1279625 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electroely Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 This last update changed some of Wurt's lines regarding night vision: - She says "Glowy!" rather than "Poor scale-less can't see in dark." when examining a lantern - She says "What this thing?" rather than "This so scale-less can see in dark?" when examining Winona's Spotlight What's odd is that the other lines mentioning her night vision were not changed (such as the one for torches running out of durability). Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113200-wurt-planned-to-have-darkvision/#findComment-1279815 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreadScientist Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 Huh, that's really weird. Seems like they were gonna give her NV but decided not to last minute? Really odd. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113200-wurt-planned-to-have-darkvision/#findComment-1279870 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primalflower Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 i just think canonically wurt can see in the dark but charlie still attacks her because charlie stinks and picks on little kids Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113200-wurt-planned-to-have-darkvision/#findComment-1280227 Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMERICA Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 I think she hunts the intelligence. And there is a whole another lore about the names being started with W, being chosen for that reason and being able to activate the gate etc. I mean your typical merm couldn’t make simple three course meal and beat the gnaw let alone open the ancient gateway Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113200-wurt-planned-to-have-darkvision/#findComment-1280346 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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