oil geyser Utilize heat in a Leaky Oil Fissure

[Chthonicone]

I have a leaky oil fissure. I want to use the heat in it to run a steam turbine. I know how to do this. What I do not know how to do is to first get it to heat into petroleum, and then pump that out, as 400C petroleum will break any pump I can make, even steel.

How do you heat up oil, and then cool it after in an automated fashion? Do you need an automation memory module that first raises the temperature to 400C, then once a liquid element sensor detects that it's started to change, you then toggle from heating to cooling back down below 275C?

How does one automatically handle such a hot liquid that will break anything you use?

Wait, do I have a reservoir that heats the bottom and cools the top, so when the petroleum transforms it automatically rises to the top and gets cooled, then I just pump the top off?

[0xFADE]

Counterflow stuff. But for a leaky oil well you probably need to cool it down enough to pump it then move it off to some counterflow area to turn it to petroleum.  

I had something that used refinery heat at the conversion point but it wasn’t big or fast enough so the end result was in the few hundred c. 

[Chthonicone]

2 minutes ago, 0xFADE said:

Counterflow stuff. But for a leaky oil well you probably need to cool it down enough to pump it then move it off to some counterflow area to turn it to petroleum.  

I had something that used refinery heat at the conversion point but it wasn’t big or fast enough so the end result was in the few hundred c. 

Mind showing an example of counterflow stuff? I don't know what you mean.

[0xFADE]

You effectively move the crude oil in one direction and the hot petrol in the other direction and they exchange heat along the way.  The longer the more efficient.

Im on my phone right now but YouTube “oni crude oil to petroleum” has some results. 

[Chthonicone]

1 minute ago, 0xFADE said:

You effectively move the crude oil in one direction and the hot petrol in the other direction and they exchange heat along the way.  The longer the more efficient.

Im on my phone right now but YouTube “oni crude oil to petroleum” has some results. 

Ok, I was trying to google counterflow and got an example.

[Zarquan]

16 minutes ago, Chthonicone said:

Ok, I was trying to google counterflow and got an example.

The petroleum is the middle thing and the crude oil is the outer things.

Keep in mind though that if the petroleum is outside of pipes, you can do the counterflow by running the crude oil in pipes through the petroleum.

Here's a picture of a counterflow heat exchanger in game (on the right).  In this picture, the crude oil comes from the bottom and flows upwards to the hot-plate.  The petroleum then flows down the airflow tiles, cooling the petroleum and heating the crude oil. 

There are more pictures of this setup here.

One thing to be careful about is the crude oil breaking out of the pipes and damaging them, as that can cause problems.

[bobucles]

Anything above 125C can be cooled off with a steam turbine.

Counterflow setups are the best way to "recycle" heat. The principle is simple, and the setup isn't as hard as you might think. Simply run the petrol into the cold area, and at the same time run the cold oil directly into the hot petrol. They'll exchange heat every inch of the way so that on the hot end both fluids are hot, while on the cold end both fluids are cold.

There are ways to increase the efficiency of course. ONI pipes can't directly transfer heat so two pipes are not effective, even if they're side by side. You want the heat transfer to be directly between the touching liquids and not down the length of pipe, because if the heat goes down the length you end up with one long bar of average temperature. That rules out tempshift plates. One good solution is to run naked fluid in one direction, and pipe a second fluid in the opposite direction. The pipe directly overlaps the free flowing liquid, giving very good heat transfer.

[Chthonicone]

6 minutes ago, bobucles said:

Anything above 125C can be cooled off with a steam turbine.

Counterflow setups are the best way to "recycle" heat. The principle is simple, and the setup isn't as hard as you might think. Simply run the petrol into the cold area, and at the same time run the cold oil directly into the hot petrol. They'll exchange heat every inch of the way so that on the hot end both fluids are hot, while on the cold end both fluids are cold.

There are ways to increase the efficiency of course. ONI pipes can't directly transfer heat so two pipes are not effective, even if they're side by side. You want the heat transfer to be directly between the touching liquids and not down the length of pipe, because if the heat goes down the length you end up with one long bar of average temperature. That rules out tempshift plates. One good solution is to run naked fluid in one direction, and pipe a second fluid in the opposite direction. The pipe directly overlaps the free flowing liquid, giving very good heat transfer.

I appreciate the response, but the point is to make a oil boiler, and then cool the petroleum in one place. I do have an idea on what to do now though, but thanks for trying.

[nakomaru]

Pre space mats, your potential heat sources for this will be a volcano or a metal refinery with e.g. naphtha coolant. With space you can use a niobium or thermium aquatuner or tricked tepidizer.

Since the output is too hot for a steel pump, it would be best to wait for space tech or cool down the oil with a turbine before heating it in a counter flow exchanger.

[Chthonicone]

1 hour ago, nakomaru said:

Pre space mats, your potential heat sources for this will be a volcano or a metal refinery with e.g. naphtha coolant. With space you can use a niobium or thermium aquatuner or tricked tepidizer.

Since the output is too hot for a steel pump, it would be best to wait for space tech or cool down the oil with a turbine before heating it in a counter flow exchanger.

I have glossy dreckos and lots of slicksters, I can get petroleum as a coolant first, and already have plastic, but that's what I figured. Some pre-cooling first before I make a snake river.

[DonDegow]

I was wrong.

[Chthonicone]

I ran into a snag. All I have right now for massive amounts of heat to boil petroleum are:

Gold volcano (~100W of heat)

Metal Refinery (using petroleum as coolant so it might be hard to get enough heat)

Aquatuner (max temperature 325C, so it does not get hot enough)

Any ideas of how to set up a reverse osmosis petroleum boiler with this, or is it currently out of my reach until I find a better heat source, like lava?

[nakomaru]

Covered above. Without a volcano or space, the most realistic option you have at the moment is the refinery. It's fine if you build a proper exchanger such as socooo's, and have a large stock of lime.

[bobucles]

3 hours ago, Chthonicone said:

Any ideas of how to set up a reverse osmosis petroleum boiler with this, or is it currently out of my reach until I find a better heat source, like lava?

Your main sources of big boy heat are:

- Space materials (Niobium/Thermium) to get high temperature machines.

- Rocket Launches (magic heat box) place materials directly under the launch pad, get up to ~3000K

- Lava (volcanoes, map spawn). Use manual pumps and bottle dispensers in pure vacuum environments, beware of dropped bottles! Mini pumps can pump lava without touching lava, there's guides.

- Metal Refinery (it just keeps getting hotter) melt something like like lead, and keep reusing the liquid until it gets super hot. Ceramic is your friend.

[Chthonicone]

2 hours ago, bobucles said:

Your main sources of big boy heat are:

- Space materials (Niobium/Thermium) to get high temperature machines.

- Rocket Launches (magic heat box) place materials directly under the launch pad, get up to ~3000K

- Lava (volcanoes, map spawn). Use manual pumps and bottle dispensers in pure vacuum environments, beware of dropped bottles! Mini pumps can pump lava without touching lava, there's guides.

- Metal Refinery (it just keeps getting hotter) melt something like like lead, and keep reusing the liquid until it gets super hot. Ceramic is your friend.

I appreciate some of the tips, but I already avoid mechanics like the liquid lock that seem exploitative and don't make sense to me. It's more fun for me to develop a real airlock to get things done. So I don't think I will be pumping without touching lava, I can't even believe that's a thing, and bottle dispensers in a vacuum don't transfer heat? I'm sure that'll be fixed eventually too.

So apart from things that I haven't reached yet, a.k.a. you telling me to be more patient in cracking open the oil, you suggest using stuff like lead as a coolant. Lets take a look at that:

Lead melts at 327.5C, a steel pump will break at 275C. Without using some exploitative method how do I get the lead into a pipe and the metal refinery in the first place? While the wiki does list some "coolants" that have melting points above 275C, it does not explain how one would use such a thing as a coolant either. Am I missing some way to get super heated liquids into a pipe?

The best coolant I have at my disposal right now as far as I can tell is petroleum, if I process it from my slicksters. It can get things up to 538.9C before it blows out the pipes and becomes sour gas. It could be used instead to melt a lead heat sink, but an aquatuner that is steel breaks at 325C, so I couldn't use that to even melt the lead. I'd just have to use radiant pipes, and this means that at most I can get the lead to 538.9C, and that's with a lot of trouble. While all I need to get it to is above 400C, I'd have trouble keeping it there making this a slow process. Even worse, lead is not a good heat sink, so it would cool quickly, I'd be better off boiling some water in a heat sink and using that, which is even slower.

It may be that this sort of oil boiler is beyond my capabilities on this map so far, and I'm willing to accept that, but I'm just asking if it's possible at the point I am at.

[bobucles]

24 minutes ago, Chthonicone said:

Lead melts at 327.5C, a steel pump will break at 275C. Without using some exploitative method how do I get the lead into a pipe and the metal refinery in the first place?

Just run the machine until it breaks. Pumps are cheap and repairing is 10% for full health. You only need to pump it once, once it's inside the system it stays in the loop.

[Chthonicone]

3 minutes ago, bobucles said:

Just run the machine until it breaks. Pumps are cheap and repairing is 10% for full health. You only need to pump it once, once it's inside the system it stays in the loop.

Very well. Now I just need a mechanism to generate lots of clay. Arboria doesn't have clay by default, and I'm currently milking a morb. Might catch another one.

edit: Also, I'll need to find lead as well, because in my experience oil biomes are also rare on arboria.

[bobucles]

Repairing an aquatuner will add up and is not a trivial expense. For the initial lead melting, consider heating up some oil/petroleum with the refinery. It gets hot enough to comfortably melt the lead, then the petrol can be removed and the lead can be added in to kickstart the system. Metal refineries don't feel the brunt of super heated materials inside storage, so they're quite durable and useful for the process. Just don't let the lead go cold!

[mathmanican]

3 hours ago, Chthonicone said:

Now I just need a mechanism to generate lots of clay

Polluted water bottle offgassing is your friend here. Just clean the polluted water with deodorizers. Turns sand into clay.