Lifegrow Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 Hey folks, Another little video here showing my new favourite thing : I humbly present to you The "HMMMNGH" The Highly Measured Magma Manipularatiser Niftily Gathering Hotties In short, it's a tileable module used for handling your toasty hot igneous rock fresh from the volcano. Paired with any sort of magma solidifying setup it'll happily let you send streams of precisely thermo-regulated solid orange stuff direct to where you need it. I opted for something simple like this : (you could also use lots of doors if you like, but I think old @Tonyroid used them all up in his last build ) Anyway, the premise is simple - Sweeper collects the debris, puts it into a visible loader. The scorching debris is dropped on a mesh tile for later storage, allowing more magma to be cooled (for steam turbines etc) and converted into igneous battery form. This is where the module comes in : The right chute is where our hot igneous is stored - on a mesh tile within a vacuum. The sweeper loads an inverted loader which is bridged into a conveyor loop. This loop is passing through some diamond window tiles with a space in the middle reserved for a thermo sensor, 1kg of hydrogen, and a diamond temp shift for fun. This very precisely adjusts to the temperature of the igneous within the loop, and when connected to a conveyor shutoff allows us to easily dump the igneous when it's reached an undesirable temperature. The left loader then re-stocks the loop, and the cycle continues. Spent igneous leaves the chute on the left. Here's two chained together : Heres an overall build showing petroleum boiling, sour gas cooker, and steam all daisy chained together : Way more info in the youtube vid above, and the save file is in the description. Idea being I can use my scorching hot igneous to boil petroleum to sour gas, and make methane/natural gas - I can then use it to cook oil -> petroleum, then dump it into water to make steam, before finally going via turbines, slicksters, and ultimately stone hatches. The beauty is in the handling I'm off to bed. xox -Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathmanican Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 6 hours ago, Lifegrow said: This is where the module comes in : Can I just say, THIS IS AWESOME. It's compact (3 by 3 instead of 4 by 3 for debris in doors), temp controlled (no luck there with doors), and just plain cool. Thanks for sharing. Loved it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lifegrow Posted August 30, 2019 Author Share Posted August 30, 2019 Glad you liked it bud. I was tired of all these massive derpy volcano builds tbh, wanted something I can easily build on stream and vary depending on what my asteroid is lacking/what I need most. Current playthrough I'm badly short on water so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLW Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 That sweeper will overheat eventually by the way... at least assuming it's all in vacuum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathmanican Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 7 minutes ago, TLW said: That sweeper will overheat eventually by the way... at least assuming it's all in vacuum. The module shown here is minimal. How it gets inserted into your base and cooled is extra. Watch for 30 secs and you'll see how this and more is taken care of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lifegrow Posted August 30, 2019 Author Share Posted August 30, 2019 22 minutes ago, TLW said: That sweeper will overheat eventually by the way... at least assuming it's all in vacuum. I honestly applaud that you didn't even make it to the 4th picture before posting - sod the video Aye, as Mathchap said above - it's dealt with in the video with a single aquatuner keeping everything cooled, may want to have a nosey.xox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beowulf2010 Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 And you can use this for steam cooling regolith too... I use something similar for cooling my metal volcanoes via aquatuner. For some reason it never occurred to me to use the heat directly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lifegrow Posted August 30, 2019 Author Share Posted August 30, 2019 4 hours ago, beowulf2010 said: I use something similar for cooling my metal volcanoes via aquatuner. For some reason it never occurred to me to use the heat directly... Aye that was how I used to use my metal from volcanoes, only recently I wanted a means of handling a lot of igneous - so I plan to build a monster in our current stream base... Should be fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glassyfo Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 45 minutes ago, Lifegrow said: Aye that was how I used to use my metal from volcanoes, only recently I wanted a means of handling a lot of igneous - so I plan to build a monster in our current stream base... Should be fun Did you manage to build it in survival? If so can you post a link to the stream? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lifegrow Posted August 31, 2019 Author Share Posted August 31, 2019 13 minutes ago, bleeter6 said: Did you manage to build it in survival? If so can you post a link to the stream? I can build the handling module in about 2 minutes, it's vacuuming/clearing out my entire magma biome that'll be the grind I have 3 volcanoes down there, so should be fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beowulf2010 Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Lifegrow said: Aye that was how I used to use my metal from volcanoes, only recently I wanted a means of handling a lot of igneous - so I plan to build a monster in our current stream base... Should be fun I'm trying to get most/all the Steam achievements this base so I've been going slow with manual generators for Super Sustainable cause I hadn't found any hot geyser/volcanoes yet. This will let me run a steam turbine from regolith to (hopefully) blast through the last 100,000kJ I need before I can start using my natural gas geyser and geode (From memory, I'm estimating approximately 24,000kg of natural gas in the geode). Thanks again for the kick in the pants to make me realize that I don't need to use an aquatuner to generate steam from hot debris. This is probably the best part of ONI. I've played almost 1,400 hours and I'm still learning new things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0xFADE Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 Those are some very nice diamond donuts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lifegrow Posted August 31, 2019 Author Share Posted August 31, 2019 Deliciously temperate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glassyfo Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 Is there another option for the magma heat aside from steam? Or are the three uses (steam, petrol, sour gas) it? I just kinda wish steam wasn't repeated...for aesthetic reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathmanican Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 19 minutes ago, bleeter6 said: Is there another option for the magma heat aside from steam Melt gold and iron for use in a refinery, so you can reach 3000K in a refinery easily. Preheat steel for melting, so you can reach over 4000K in a refinery and get tungsten... (I might be trying to create a metal printing press ). Cook polluted dirt to dirt, or sand. Purify polluted water. Basically whatever you want heat for, this will help you. The most useful are the three mentioned in the video, but the usefulness of this heat is essentially endless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karyuendan08 Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 Mix your buildings and the FrancisJohn past door build system that use the property of when debris hit the tile they transfer heat. automation stole from @Tonyroid Only downside of this build is the most thermal hungry stuff must be at the top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathmanican Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 4 hours ago, karyuendan08 said: Only downside of this build is the most thermal hungry stuff Another downside is that debris ON tiles transfer heat at a MUCH slower rater than debris IN tiles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lifegrow Posted August 31, 2019 Author Share Posted August 31, 2019 6 hours ago, karyuendan08 said: Only downside of this build is the most thermal hungry stuff must be at the top Exactly, and thats why having a modular build that isn't gravity dependant is so much more useful in a real game scenario For example, I have three volcanoes to the south of my oil biome (playing Rime) and one minor volcano just to the right of my base in the middle of the map. I plan to build a vacuum chamber and convey ALL my consolidated igneous to one convenient place near my base, and do all my cooking there. That way my dupes are nearby for the bulk of the construction and my outputs/inputs don't need to be piped miles unnecessarily. Conveyors within a vacuum do very little for FPS, however masses of unnecessary piping will really ruin your day 1 hour ago, mathmanican said: Another downside is that debris ON tiles transfer heat at a MUCH slower rater than debris IN tiles. This is crucial. A fast and efficient transfer is key here, that way we can accurately monitor the temperature and recycle the heat elsewhere as needed via the thermo sensors/shut offs. This becomes very evident when it comes to builds that are boiling oil/petroleum versus cooking steam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glassyfo Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 50 minutes ago, Lifegrow said: Exactly, and that's why having a modular build that isn't gravity dependant is so much more useful in a real game scenario For example, I have three volcanoes to the south of my oil biome (playing Rime) and one minor volcano just to the right of my base in the middle of the map. I plan to build a vacuum chamber and convey ALL my consolidated igneous to one convenient place near my base, and do all my cooking there. That way my dupes are nearby for the bulk of the construction and my outputs/inputs don't need to be piped miles unnecessarily. Conveyors within a vacuum do very little for FPS, however masses of unnecessary piping will really ruin your day This is crucial. A fast and efficient transfer is key here, that way we can accurately monitor the temperature and recycle the heat elsewhere as needed via the thermo sensors/shut offs. This becomes very evident when it comes to builds that are boiling oil/petroleum versus cooking steam. A question about your sweepers. How fast do they heat up even with your cooling and what's the max temp they reach? Just trying to see if I can get away with making them out of lead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lifegrow Posted August 31, 2019 Author Share Posted August 31, 2019 I wouldn't advise you use lead - I opted for steel personally. They don't heat much, and the aquatuner keeps them stable. In my first design I put automation on the sweepers instead of the loaders to deliver the materials, and that caused some heating issues if they ever dropped the igneous - but once I sorted that it was all peachy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glassyfo Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 24 minutes ago, Lifegrow said: In my first design I put automation on the sweepers instead of the loaders to deliver the materials, and that caused some heating issues if they ever dropped the igneous - but once I sorted that it was all peachy. What do you mean sorted it out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lifegrow Posted August 31, 2019 Author Share Posted August 31, 2019 1 minute ago, bleeter6 said: What do you mean sorted it out? As per the pictures, the automation goes to the loader instead of the sweeper. The inverted loader doesn't absorb any of the heat from the materials. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Raptor Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 Is the sensor in hydrogen working for you when your off-screen? I have an exact same design I use to measure the temperature on the rails, but when I go off-screen the rock on the rails stop transferring heat into the hydrogen and the sensor gets a false read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lifegrow Posted August 31, 2019 Author Share Posted August 31, 2019 19 minutes ago, Steve Raptor said: Is the sensor in hydrogen working for you when your off-screen? I have an exact same design I use to measure the temperature on the rails, but when I go off-screen the rock on the rails stop transferring heat into the hydrogen and the sensor gets a false read. Is your build in the extreme north east or extreme south west of your base by any chance ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Raptor Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 9 minutes ago, Lifegrow said: Is your build in the extreme north east or extreme south west of your base by any chance ? EDIT: actually, its quiet in the center (the pod is, anyway). I'm having some unexplained black magic with this. If i pan the camera offscreen to either left/right up/down from the rails it works fine. If i pan diagonally it doesn't. Either I overloaded the map, since my base is pretty big and i discovered 80% of the map or something else is in play here. I found the source of the problem, I disabled "Proccess lasso" and now the readings are back to normal. Its shame though, cause the performance hit is quiet notice-able without it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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