SamuraiJones Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 Does anyone else feel terrible for using lead pipes for drinking water, just cuz they're so cheap? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/109669-lead-pipes/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
oosyrag Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 The Romans didn't know any better. You do. You monster. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/109669-lead-pipes/#findComment-1235245 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnus Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 6 minutes ago, SamuraiJones said: Does anyone else feel terrible for using lead pipes for drinking water, just cuz they're so cheap? Lead pipes are not dangerous in themselves. They form an oxidation layer on the inside that prevents lead from dissolving into the water. However, modern water treatment usually involves adding chlorine to water to kill germs, and although most of the chlorine is neutralized some will escape into the water supply where it can dissolve the oxidation layer in lead pipes releasing lead particles. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/109669-lead-pipes/#findComment-1235247 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MustardWarrior Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 5 minutes ago, oosyrag said: The Romans didn't know any better. You do. You monster. I think the Romans got lead poisoning from adding it to their wines as a sweetener. Lead pipes are bad and should be banned because you should try to avoid getting lead into your body altogether but realistically you probably aren't going to get a serious illness from lead pipes. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/109669-lead-pipes/#findComment-1235252 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rokkiteer Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 Yes. Yes I do. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/109669-lead-pipes/#findComment-1235253 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamuraiJones Posted July 29, 2019 Author Share Posted July 29, 2019 32 minutes ago, Saturnus said: Lead pipes are not dangerous in themselves. They form an oxidation layer on the inside that prevents lead from dissolving into the water. However, modern water treatment usually involves adding chlorine to water to kill germs, and although most of the chlorine is neutralized some will escape into the water supply where it can dissolve the oxidation layer in lead pipes releasing lead particles. I see... venting chlorine to space now. Lead pipes are staying! Clear conscience! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/109669-lead-pipes/#findComment-1235273 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radam Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 39 minutes ago, MustardWarrior said: I think the Romans got lead poisoning from adding it to their wines as a sweetener. Lead pipes are bad and should be banned because you should try to avoid getting lead into your body altogether but realistically you probably aren't going to get a serious illness from lead pipes. Also LOADS of lead based beauty products. But seriously, you use lead pipes for heat exchange? Just use aluminum. Left the lead for say turbines and generators and all the electrical stuff. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/109669-lead-pipes/#findComment-1235279 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurgel Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 1 hour ago, MustardWarrior said: I think the Romans got lead poisoning from adding it to their wines as a sweetener. Lead pipes are bad and should be banned because you should try to avoid getting lead into your body altogether but realistically you probably aren't going to get a serious illness from lead pipes. Probably. What you add is "Maskulinum", which is lead-sulfide. Was also done in medieval times to "improve" wine and did tremendous damage. For example, there is an account of an execution of some guy that did this in, I think, Heidelberg by frying him in a pan. That sounds like something you only do if you want the cretin to really suffer. That said, dupes are, of course, completely immune to the negative effects of lead. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/109669-lead-pipes/#findComment-1235321 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhailRaptor Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 Wasn't lead also used in plates and utensils and things, and soft skinned plants like tomatoes and things would absorb the led? Which then led to the belief that tomatoes were poisonous. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/109669-lead-pipes/#findComment-1235453 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilibat Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 6 hours ago, Radam said: Also LOADS of lead based beauty products. But seriously, you use lead pipes for heat exchange? Just use aluminum. Left the lead for say turbines and generators and all the electrical stuff. Oh sure, use aluminium so your dupes can get Alzheimers. Nice. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/109669-lead-pipes/#findComment-1235458 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhailRaptor Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 1 minute ago, lilibat said: Oh sure, use aluminium so your dupes can get Alzheimers. Nice. To be fair, they are kind of printed that way... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/109669-lead-pipes/#findComment-1235459 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpy Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 Romans had lot of calcination going on in their pipes so they got insulated pretty damn fast for their luck. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/109669-lead-pipes/#findComment-1235507 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurgel Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 10 minutes ago, cpy said: Romans had lot of calcination going on in their pipes so they got insulated pretty damn fast for their luck. Their empire would probably have fallen far sooner if they had not. But there is another instance of people using lead when they _knew_ what it did: White face-paint in ancient Japan. This was lead-based and they knew it was killing them slowly. Yet the pressures of society to keep up appearances were apparently more important with the aristocracy and their servants. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/109669-lead-pipes/#findComment-1235525 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dereq Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 lead pipes are cheap but they have terrible thermal conductivity, worst radiant pipe material, (tested it) Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/109669-lead-pipes/#findComment-1235680 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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