Should OP crock pot recipes be nerfed?

[SakkeEU]

Hello

Cooking something that is not one of the 4 or 5 top tier food feels like a waste of time and resources. I find myself surviving on a meatballs only diet for weeks just because I farmed silk and hound teeth for a sewing kit. There's always too much monster meat around and the 1 to 1 conversion of it into eggs you get from the caged bird make it so you really need nothing else.

My opinion is that the efficiency of some of the crock pot recipes could be better tuned so that players are encouraged to go out and do things nobody does right now, like fishing for example ( jk  : P ). It might be also useful to rethink the monster meat drop rate and the 1 meat to 1 egg conversion you get from the caged bird but that's for another time.   

Let me know what you think!

[Ellilea]

I agree. Making meatballs or eggs from 1 monster meat and no other meat is feels like nothing but cheese.

[Roosev]

There will always be that one food that is better and easier than the rest to use. Making them all useless won't lead to better gameplay.

[Philsam]

Am I the only one fishing?

[Prismaux]

I meam, seeing how everyone reacted to Warly, I doubt that they are going to nerf crockpot recipes like Meatballs or Pierogis anytime soon.

[Hx380]

Thats what Warly is for. 

Personally i think meatballs  should have less amount of recipes . 

And don't even get me started about asparagus soup. I imagine the entire team responsible for Hamlet laughting at me everytime i accidently put it in the crockpot. 

 

 

 

 

[SakkeEU]

5 hours ago, Roosev said:

There will always be that one food that is better and easier than the rest to use. Making them all useless won't lead to better gameplay.

I don't want food to be useless, I want it to be interesting. Monster meat  and meat recipes are just too OP right now. 

Recipes can be nerfed in a lot of ways: % of getting monster lasagna or wet goop, cooking time, stricter ingridients list.

4 hours ago, Philsam said:

Am I the only one fishing?

In RoG? Yes you are. In SW? also. Hamlet? we don't even know if it's implemented or not.

3 hours ago, Hx380 said:

Thats what Warly is for. 

Personally i think meatballs  should have less amount of recipes . 

And don't even get me started about asparagus soup. I imagine the entire team responsible for Hamlet laughting at me everytime i accidently put it in the crockpot. 

 

 

 

 

I'm not against eating the same food over and over again, I just want the easiest ingridients to find not to be used to cook the best food in the game.

Asparagus soup is an amazing solution to the problem, imagine a recipe like that for eggs or other too easy to find ingridients.

[Hx380]

1 minute ago, SakkeEU said:

Asparagus soup is an amazing solution to the problem, imagine a recipe like that for eggs or other too easy to find ingridients.

You monster

[Rellimarual]

The Great Meatball Debate has come up off and on over the years, and realistically Klei is never going to change it or they would have long ago. It’s an ancient system in DS years.

Eggs are only easy to get once you have a birdcage, which is harder to get in Hamlet, although easier to get than before they made gold more accessible. To get a birdcage in Hamlet, you need at minimum 10 gold nuggets, unless you’re playing as Wicker, and 14 if you’re basing outside (because you have to put up the lightning rod first). Silk is harder to get depending on how close the spider monkeys stick to their trees, since you can’t just kill them all and risk making silk non renewable. Easy eggs from monster meat are the reward you get for doing all this, which you have to achieve In Hamlet while getting hats for the fog and hayfever during your first year. I’m not sure whether the rarity of birds/seeds during humid season is also intentional but that has been an issue in several of my runs. 

Weirdly, no one ever complains about berry bush farms, which are definitely easier to get than a birdcage.

[Ellilea]

A 50% chance of producing Monster Lasagna if monster meat is the only meat in the recipe would be real good. A hindrance enough to make it worthwhile to look for other meats, while also giving a chance of working out. A bit of a risk/reward factor.

As for the bird cage, an easy balance could be something like limiting the amount of monster meat a bird can consume in a day. Say 3 monster meat a day and after that the bird will refuse. Just to make it so you can't so effortlessly sustain yourself on monster meat that's supposed to be toxic-ish.

 

[SakkeEU]

3 hours ago, Rellimarual said:

The Great Meatball Debate has come up off and on over the years, and realistically Klei is never going to change it or they would have long ago. It’s an ancient system in DS years.

Well it's a shame because with each dlc we get more and more recipes that no one ever bothers to craft.

3 hours ago, Rellimarual said:

Eggs are only easy to get once you have a birdcage, which is harder to get in Hamlet, although easier to get than before they made gold more accessible. To get a birdcage in Hamlet, you need at minimum 10 gold nuggets, unless you’re playing as Wicker, and 14 if you’re basing outside (because you have to put up the lightning rod first). Silk is harder to get depending on how close the spider monkeys stick to their trees, since you can’t just kill them all and risk making silk non renewable. Easy eggs from monster meat are the reward you get for doing all this, which you have to achieve In Hamlet while getting hats for the fog and hayfever during your first year. I’m not sure whether the rarity of birds/seeds during humid season is also intentional but that has been an issue in several of my runs. 

Weirdly, no one ever complains about berry bush farms, which are definitely easier to get than a birdcage.

In the pianted biome there is a lot of gold littered around, and pith hat and bird trap can be bought from the shops in the second city for too few coins. Imo basic structures like birdcage and crock pot shouldn't get you straight into the end game, where food is not a problem.

Berry bush farms are a problem too but at least they require a minimum maintenance, don't work in winter and have a chance to spawn gobblers.

1 hour ago, Ellilea said:

for the bird cage, an easy balance could be something like limiting the amount of monster meat a bird can consume in a day. Say 3 monster meat a day and after that the bird will refuse. Just to make it so you can't so effortlessly sustain yourself on monster meat that's supposed to be toxic-ish.

 

That's a good idea, I'd push it even further to 3 meals a day of any type so we can get rid of the egg refresh mechanic that makes eggs the ultimate food.

[G-Forces]

19 hours ago, SakkeEU said:

In RoG? Yes you are. In SW? also. Hamlet? we don't even know if it's implemented or not.

I occasionally fish just for the heck of it, especially if i have a lot of corn, fish tacos are a half decent food item.

[Rellimarual]

Food isn’t an issue in any of the games except maybe at the very start. You could totally survive on meals or ingredients bought from pig shops in Hamlet, for example, and then there’s all that ice in the base game and DST. Despite the title, it’s pretty clear that Klei doesn’t really want to make it *that* difficult to get food or they would have changed all that long ago.

Berry farms are in no way a hassle to maintain, not with pigs pooping all over the place, and gobblers just make them a self-perpetuating meatball factory. Most monster meat has to be killed by the player, or snatch from whatever else killed it, so it’s not any easier to get than berries, plus it and eggs can’t be traded for oincs.

[SakkeEU]

On 17/3/2019 at 8:45 PM, Rellimarual said:

Food isn’t an issue in any of the games except maybe at the very start. You could totally survive on meals or ingredients bought from pig shops in Hamlet, for example, and then there’s all that ice in the base game and DST. Despite the title, it’s pretty clear that Klei doesn’t really want to make it *that* difficult to get food or they would have changed all that long ago.

 

On 17/3/2019 at 1:05 AM, SakkeEU said:

I don't want food to be useless, I want it to be interesting. Monster meat  and meat recipes are just too OP right now. 

 

On 17/3/2019 at 8:45 PM, Rellimarual said:

Berry farms are in no way a hassle to maintain, not with pigs pooping all over the place, and gobblers just make them a self-perpetuating meatball factory. Most monster meat has to be killed by the player, or snatch from whatever else killed it, so it’s not any easier to get than berries, plus it and eggs can’t be traded for oincs.

 

On 17/3/2019 at 1:05 AM, SakkeEU said:

I'm not against eating the same food over and over again, I just want the easiest ingridients to find not to be used to cook the best food in the game.

I don't know why you think I want people to struggle to survive. Recipes are useless if you have 2 of them that can feed you all year long from day 5 to day 5000. Hunting for food should be part of the game; koalefants, tallbirds, beefalos, fishes, no one bothers hunting them because all you need to craft the best recipes are moleworms, spiders and hounds. We ate meatballs in DS, we ate meatballs in Rog, we ate meatballs in SW and we are eating meatballs in Hamlet, where we will eat meatballs next time?

[Rellimarual]

1 hour ago, SakkeEU said:

I don't know why you think I want people to struggle to survive. Recipes are useless if you have 2 of them that can feed you all year long from day 5 to day 5000. Hunting for food should be part of the game; koalefants, tallbirds, beefalos, fishes, no one bothers hunting them because all you need to craft the best recipes are moleworms, spiders and hounds. We ate meatballs in DS, we ate meatballs in Rog, we ate meatballs in SW and we are eating meatballs in Hamlet, where we will eat meatballs next time?

Well, you do want to force people to make a wider variety of foods, and the only way to do that is to make it harder to survive by relying on the easier recipes, and to force them to hunt and fish to do so. Since they don’t want to do that, yeah, you do have to make them struggle to survive unless they do. Personally, I don’t make meatballs that often after the first year because bacon and eggs, pirogi and dragon pie are superior, as well as surf n turf and the fish dishes in SW, not to mention jerky late game. 

[pedregales]

What about this: add a recipe book and you will see more people cooking different foods.

I am fairly positive people only cook the basic foods not only because they are super-strong, but also because they can't be bothered to remember up to 40 possible combinations that might or might not be similar (the difference between skewers and meatballs is just a stick for example). Now, if there was a way in-game to see different recipes without having to memorize them all, people would be more willing to take more risks. Even better if this recipe book could give some info on the food with some way of telling the player the attributes of the food (say meatballs is "health/hunger++" indicating it heals a lot of hunger, a bit of health, and little to no sanity as it is not mentioned), and info on the spoil time (something simple like "spoils: quickly/in a long time/in a few days" or even "eternal" for the thingie that takes a couple of several real life years to spoil in-game).

[SakkeEU]

2 hours ago, Rellimarual said:

 Since they don’t want to do that

???????

2 hours ago, Rellimarual said:

Well, you do want to force people to make a wider variety of foods

The game forces you to eat, it might be a good idea to make the process engaging.

2 hours ago, Rellimarual said:

 and to force them to hunt and fish

You are forced to chop trees for wood and to mine boulders for rock, you can't survive if you don't do that. I can't see why you shouldn't actively search for food.

[aerotong]

If we are talking about Hamlet, just nerf neetle roll first, nerf it to 0 health 0 hunger. You still need  it to pass lush season.

Let's be honest, we need nothing to survive in this game, besides meet (and coffee bean) . We all turn meet into eggs, and then cook the stupid Pierogis.

[Rellimarual]

3 hours ago, SakkeEU said:

The game forces you to eat, it might be a good idea to make the process engaging.

There is literally nothing stopping you from making other recipes, if that’s what you enjoy. I do it all the time. Same with hunting and fishing. You can play as Warly if you want that to be baked in. You’re suggesting that game be tweaked to force all other players to do this, too, and many of them would not find that “engaging.”

[SakkeEU]

The game forces you to do things all the time, this is not minecraft creative mode. This game is not meant to be a mega base simulator.

On 17/3/2019 at 1:05 AM, SakkeEU said:

I'm not against eating the same food over and over again, I just want the easiest ingridients to find not to be used to cook the best food in the game.

I can assure you that there will be no post apocalyptic scenario if you nerf 2 ingridients and literally 3 recipes; not remove, not destroy, NERF.

[Roosev]

9 hours ago, SakkeEU said:

where we will eat meatballs next time?

I'm eating meatballs right now.

[Maxposting]

On 17. 3. 2019 at 1:05 AM, SakkeEU said:

I'm not against eating the same food over and over again.

Eat pies made of sweet/spicy fruit 24/7 and you will sure gonna need more than just-a-few-petals irl...