minespatch Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 I need to find a way that gets me both metal refinery and to get plastic for ranching but I feel like I might be overlooking something in gameplay. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/101205-whats-the-best-order-for-ranching-and-metal-refinery/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xuhybrid Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 Why have Ranching in there? Dig down to the oil. Use it for coolant. Use the output for petroleum/plastic. Done. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/101205-whats-the-best-order-for-ranching-and-metal-refinery/#findComment-1137416 Share on other sites More sharing options...
oosyrag Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 Refined metal - Rock Granulator (less efficient, lower power/heat) or Metal Refinery (high heat generation and power requirement). Plastic - Refine oil into petroleum and polymer press to turn it into plastic Ranching alternatives for smaller scale, slow, low impact production - Smooth hatches for metal and glossy drecko for plastic Ranching can be done any time or "order", it just takes a quite a few cycles to evolve your critters into the right variants so start as early as you can to take advantage of them. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/101205-whats-the-best-order-for-ranching-and-metal-refinery/#findComment-1137423 Share on other sites More sharing options...
minespatch Posted December 29, 2018 Author Share Posted December 29, 2018 46 minutes ago, Xuhybrid said: Why have Ranching in there? Dig down to the oil. Use it for coolant. Use the output for petroleum/plastic. Done. I need plastic to make ranching work. Especially if I want to be a puft rancher. While Metal refinery is so I can make metals to clean dupes. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/101205-whats-the-best-order-for-ranching-and-metal-refinery/#findComment-1137424 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypher-7 Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 I usually find a pool of polluted water to run to my first refinery, that water I send to the refinery and then back to the pool it came from. You can do this a fair number of time before it gets too close to boiling. With this first bit of refined metals I can build exosuits and then dig down to oil. I send the oil to oil refinery and use the petroleum for plastics. This is all short term until I can build a full oil cooker. Hope that’s basic enough for you, it’s a good <200 cycle plan. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/101205-whats-the-best-order-for-ranching-and-metal-refinery/#findComment-1137428 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONIfreak Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 5 hours ago, Cypher-7 said: I usually find a pool of polluted water to run to my first refinery, that water I send to the refinery and then back to the pool it came from. You can do this a fair number of time before it gets too close to boiling. With this first bit of refined metals I can build exosuits and then dig down to oil. I send the oil to oil refinery and use the petroleum for plastics. This is all short term until I can build a full oil cooker. Hope that’s basic enough for you, it’s a good <200 cycle plan. What you think aboit usskng water from refinery for pincha pepper farm when it reach 70 degree ( pincha can have up to 80 i think). This way you get rid of hot water have refinery working and in plus has pincha. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/101205-whats-the-best-order-for-ranching-and-metal-refinery/#findComment-1137479 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcus2611 Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 What you do for metal refineries is either use polluted water and dump the hot po2 into a water sieve when it gets too hot, or you do the same with crude oil but dump the oil into a refinery instead. The trick is to feed the hot coolant into something that outputs at a fixed temperature (water sieves, electrolyzers, oil refineries). PO2 to pinchas could also work, but you have to be careful to prevent the temperature from spiking above 85 degrees, whereas water sieves and oil refineries can handle any input temperature as long as it doesn't boil in the pipe. As for plastic, glossy drecko ranching is ridiculously easy to set up compared to a polymer press, even more so if you can find one in the wild; the downside is that in the late game dirt for mealwood is hard to come by. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/101205-whats-the-best-order-for-ranching-and-metal-refinery/#findComment-1137514 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONIfreak Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 26 minutes ago, Arcus2611 said: As for plastic, glossy drecko ranching is ridiculously easy to set up compared to a polymer press, even more so if you can find one in the wild; the downside is that in the late game dirt for mealwood is hard to come by. Glossy doesn't eat mealwood. It is easier to setup bristles and limit water to them. As for pincha two temp sensor shoild be enoigg 1st to allow water above lets say 50 degree - if to low coma back to refinery 2nd to allow below 80 degree - if to hot redirect to other pool or sieve to kill temp. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/101205-whats-the-best-order-for-ranching-and-metal-refinery/#findComment-1137518 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypher-7 Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 3 hours ago, ONIfreak said: What you think aboit usskng water from refinery for pincha pepper farm when it reach 70 degree ( pincha can have up to 80 i think). This way you get rid of hot water have refinery working and in plus has pincha. I’m not sure I would try sending right from the metal refinery. I would likely keep circulating the water until the main pool was close to 70 then start pumping the whole thing towards the plants. @Arcus2611 is right above, it’s always best to heat your coolant then dump it into something that has fixed output, the plants are great because they completely destroy the heat. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/101205-whats-the-best-order-for-ranching-and-metal-refinery/#findComment-1137546 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasza22 Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 2 hours ago, ONIfreak said: Glossy doesn't eat mealwood. It is easier to setup bristles and limit water to them. Glossy eats mealwood and bristle. It doesn`t eat balm lillies or pincha plants. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/101205-whats-the-best-order-for-ranching-and-metal-refinery/#findComment-1137565 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONIfreak Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 57 minutes ago, Sasza22 said: Glossy eats mealwood and bristle. It doesn`t eat balm lillies or pincha plants. You are correct my friend. Normal doesn't eat bristle i think. My bad. However i still prefer feeding them bristle - my thinkin was that does not allow normal to feed and die there to make space for glossy ( or re-home them). I don't jnow if availability of food has influance of percantage normal to spawns. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/101205-whats-the-best-order-for-ranching-and-metal-refinery/#findComment-1137579 Share on other sites More sharing options...
beowulf2010 Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 3 hours ago, ONIfreak said: You are correct my friend. Normal doesn't eat bristle i think. My bad. However i still prefer feeding them bristle - my thinkin was that does not allow normal to feed and die there to make space for glossy ( or re-home them). I don't jnow if availability of food has influance of percantage normal to spawns. Yep. Feed the normal Dreckos Mealwood long enough to turn them to Glossy then switch to Bristle Blossom to actually feed the Glossy's. Proper temperature water is much easier than dirt. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/101205-whats-the-best-order-for-ranching-and-metal-refinery/#findComment-1137625 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONIfreak Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 6 minutes ago, beowulf2010 said: Yep. Feed the normal Dreckos Mealwood long enough to turn them to Glossy then switch to Bristle Blossom to actually feed the Glossy's. Proper temperature water is much easier than dirt. Plus limiting water and keep 1.5 flower per drecko is enough to get the going.overall whole farm consume 50w power arpunf 7kg water per cycle. And a dupe to shave them. Which is pretty good looking at fact that ypu can set it up quite soon in game and doesn't need much looking after. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/101205-whats-the-best-order-for-ranching-and-metal-refinery/#findComment-1137627 Share on other sites More sharing options...
beowulf2010 Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 18 minutes ago, ONIfreak said: Plus limiting water and keep 1.5 flower per drecko is enough to get the going.overall whole farm consume 50w power arpunf 7kg water per cycle. And a dupe to shave them. Which is pretty good looking at fact that ypu can set it up quite soon in game and doesn't need much looking after. What's the best way you've found to limit the flow of water to the blossoms? Dump the proper amount once a day or trickle it over the full day? Haven't actually bothered to throttle back the water yet as I always seem to have enough for the 12 or so bristles needed. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/101205-whats-the-best-order-for-ranching-and-metal-refinery/#findComment-1137629 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neotuck Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 7 minutes ago, beowulf2010 said: What's the best way you've found to limit the flow of water to the blossoms? Dump the proper amount once a day or trickle it over the full day? Haven't actually bothered to throttle back the water yet as I always seem to have enough for the 12 or so bristles needed. I don't bother limiting the water flow, I let it back up to the source Main reason is the water also keeps the ceiling lights cool with radiant pipes, and limiting the flow can cause the water to heat up due to small packets flowing by the lights Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/101205-whats-the-best-order-for-ranching-and-metal-refinery/#findComment-1137632 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONIfreak Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 8 minutes ago, beowulf2010 said: What's the best way you've found to limit the flow of water to the blossoms? Dump the proper amount once a day or trickle it over the full day? Haven't actually bothered to throttle back the water yet as I always seem to have enough for the 12 or so bristles needed. I limit flow by liquid something ( from main thread). Bristles need 33g/s. When you setup 10/s it is enough for 8 dreckos to survive. 12/15 bristles with limit flow ( you can manipulate it). You just slow brostle to jump to next phase. You need 8 phases ot 8 bristles for it. 1 minute ago, Neotuck said: I don't bother limiting the water flow, I let it back up to the source Main reason is the water also keeps the ceiling lights cool with radiant pipes, and limiting the flow can cause the water to heat up due to small packets flowing by the lights It is true but if you supply cold water - dreckos jeeds heat from loghts to be happy ( drecko temp is like 40 degree and bristles cool it down too much in my opinion) Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/101205-whats-the-best-order-for-ranching-and-metal-refinery/#findComment-1137633 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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