GemeinerJack Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 Since we got some new materials to build our machines with, i was wondering if i could get a steam turbine working without any volcanos or doorpumps and i managed to get a system running. Pumps and aquatuner are made of steel, the rest is iron, insulated stuff is ceramic. The atmo sensors react to pressure above 500g just to save energy, the tempsensor shuts the aquatuner off at 295°C (not for the aquatuner, to protect the pumps and maybe it should be even lower, the pumps peak at around 272°C) I tested it with 3 different cooling liquids in the aquatuner loop and my findings are intressting: It is a netto energy consumer, so it goes more to the bugusing drip cooling module of old (borg cube), but depending on the cooling liquid it needs different amounts of externial energy. Petroleum, which you can get quite early and offers are nice temperature range for cooling needs around 330 external watt Water, earliest cooling liquid you could get but with the smallest temperature range to work with needs around 250 external watt Super coolant, quite late game, but with a nice temperature range and are very efficent need of 140 watt, but it no longer runs the aquatuner all the time So take from that what you want... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/97390-wheezwort-20/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamLogan Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 Really interesting, thanks for the share. I'll try it on my base. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/97390-wheezwort-20/#findComment-1102313 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafker Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 Just tried this - says that input is blocked since there are metal tiles( UPD. nevermind that. It is actually working even though its complaining on input. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/97390-wheezwort-20/#findComment-1104731 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tzionut Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 Your problem is that is not power positive....2 kw energy produced - 2.16 kw consumed... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/97390-wheezwort-20/#findComment-1104750 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasza22 Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 57 minutes ago, tzionut said: Your problem is that is not power positive....2 kw energy produced - 2.16 kw consumed... I had the impression it was meant to be a cooling device not a power generator. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/97390-wheezwort-20/#findComment-1104779 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tzionut Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 Quote I had the impression it was meant to be a cooling device not a power generator. As a cooling device yes is effective, you loose 160 w (only if the steam turbine runs continuous). Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/97390-wheezwort-20/#findComment-1104783 Share on other sites More sharing options...
avc15 Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 2 hours ago, tzionut said: Your problem is that is not power positive....2 kw energy produced - 2.16 kw consumed... That's what he said, right, it's a powered cooler, like a stand-in for the borg cube. That's the concept I got from his initial post anyway. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/97390-wheezwort-20/#findComment-1104823 Share on other sites More sharing options...
suicide commando Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 So howmany DTU's does it consume vs power used? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/97390-wheezwort-20/#findComment-1104897 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KittenIsAGeek Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 It would be power positive if you used a door pump to recirculate the steam. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/97390-wheezwort-20/#findComment-1104943 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GemeinerJack Posted October 28, 2018 Author Share Posted October 28, 2018 @KittenIsAGeek: Maybe i am not experienced enough for doorpumps, but in my experience, they always destroy some of the steam so you would need to measure the steam and add in some water from time to time @suicide commando: I don't have the exact numbers, but the aquatuner can run with water and petrouleum without breaks, so according to the calculations of @thejams it cools 585.060 DTU/s with water and 246.400 DTU/s with petroleum. So for petroleum it is around 746,66 DTU/watt, water is 2340,24 DTU/watt With super coolant i still need to experiment a little bit, because it reaches the safety shutoff on the aquatuner (heats up and after a while you no longer get the full output, didn't measure the exact times it shuts off on average) If i should guess, it probably would be around 1.000.000 DTU/s and 7142,86 DTU/watt So i am currently testing if it is more useful to add in a second steam turbine and balancing again (maybe Power and cooling for free? O.o) or open a second tile to delete more heat). More on it probably next week if i have more time to play and test @avc15 BORG CUBE, THAT'S WHAT IS WAS CALLED! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/97390-wheezwort-20/#findComment-1104968 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KittenIsAGeek Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 @GemeinerJackIt used to. Its been fixed. There's a recent thread where someone tested for a bunch of cycles and proved that door pumps don't destroy anything. If you're still losing pressure while using a door pump, something else is going on. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/97390-wheezwort-20/#findComment-1104978 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yunru Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 I'm confused, does the steam get heated by the aquatuner? If so, how do you use it to cool your base? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/97390-wheezwort-20/#findComment-1105063 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejams Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 40 minutes ago, Yunru said: I'm confused, does the steam get heated by the aquatuner? Yes 40 minutes ago, Yunru said: If so, how do you use it to cool your base? You don't directly, the steam is used to run the steam generator which deletes heat and produces power to run the system so it only needs a little bit of additional power. The liquid that goes thru the aquatuner is what gets cooled and then is used wherever you need it. You either directly cool the end product, ex. sieve water, or in a coolant loop for some other system. For the cooling systems themself you need to look elsewhere in the forum. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/97390-wheezwort-20/#findComment-1105077 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GemeinerJack Posted October 28, 2018 Author Share Posted October 28, 2018 You don't use the steam to cool down your base. The steam is to cool down the aquatuner, which in turn gives you a liquid in a pipe to cool down your base. Something like that: The liquid that comes out of the aquatuner in the pipe network is 14° colder than as it entered. So we can use the liquid in the pipes with insulated pipes to move around and radiant pipes to absorb temperature. The aqua tuner transfers the heat from the liquid in the pipes to himself. So too prevent it from overheating or melting we need to get rid of the heat. That's when the steam turbine comes in. The steam turbine takes hot steam, makes some electricity and puts out colder steam, which can get heated up by the aqua tuner again and again and again... So the system acts like a heat collection for the steam turbine and depending on your setup of the cooling pipe system can collect all the small heat producer like batteries, power generators, lights, dupes etc and collects the heat so you can have a nice 24°C base, your dream of a sub zero sleet wheet farm even with 80°C water, can take the hot coolant from a metal refinery and gives back a nice cool liquid (i suggest a little bit more automation for that ), cool down your water from cool steam geyser to usable levels and so on and so on... Edit: thejams, why? I wrote this big paragraph to explain it... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/97390-wheezwort-20/#findComment-1105078 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yunru Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 Ah right. So the steam isn't directly heated, the aquatuner heats the liquid which heats the metal which heats the steam? Or do you also run radiant gas pipes through the liquid? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/97390-wheezwort-20/#findComment-1105079 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lifegrow Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/97390-wheezwort-20/#findComment-1105135 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejams Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 6 hours ago, GemeinerJack said: Edit: thejams, why? I wrote this big paragraph to explain it... Well you explained it a lot better than I did Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/97390-wheezwort-20/#findComment-1105177 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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