Morbs not producing enough?

[psusi]

I have 3 glum pufts and all of these morbs aren't producing enough po2 to feed them.  Why?

 

[Yunru]

Polluted oxygen naturally rises above regular oxygen.

[neoazureus]

Just now, Yunru said:

Polluted oxygen naturally rises above regular oxygen.

 

Not really

[psusi]

1 minute ago, Yunru said:

Polluted oxygen naturally rises above regular oxygen.

 

Yea... but the pressure of the regular oxygen is half that of the po2, and the po2 is still under 1800g, so they should keep making more, but they don't seem to be.

[Yunru]

2 minutes ago, neoazureus said:

Not really

See my picture where I left them for a good ten/twenty or so (I forget, I just left it running until stuff stopped moving) cycles to sort themselves.

3 minutes ago, psusi said:

Yea... but the pressure of the regular oxygen is half that of the po2, and the po2 is still under 1800g, so they should keep making more, but they don't seem to be.

The pO2 still won't move in because the oxygen's in the way...iirc.

[Saturnus]

12 minutes ago, Yunru said:

Polluted oxygen naturally rises above regular oxygen.

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Nope.

Test it yourself. Put 2kg O2 on the left (or right) and PO2 on the other side. Let it run.

O2 and PO2 exchange position horizontally only. Never vertically unless there are other factors at play.

In my example you can see there's exactly 2 tiles of O2 and 2 tiles of PO2 in each horizontal layer. You can stop the simulation at any point and it will always be like that.

But for the OP the result is the same as the PO2 doesn't exchange position vertically with O2 the PO2 will never sink.

[Yunru]

2 minutes ago, Saturnus said:

Nope.

Test it yourself. Put 2kg O2 on the left (or right) and PO2 on the other side. Let it run.

O2 and PO2 exchange position horizontally only. Never vertically unless there are other factors at play.

In my example you can see there's exactly 2 tiles of O2 and 2 tiles of PO2 in each horizontal layer. You can stop the simulation at any point and it will always be like that.

Don't know what to tell you, I specifically put pO2 beneath the O2 in mine to disprove that (you can still see remnants that never finished settling when I took the screenshot).

 

Regardless, it doesn't effect the OP's problem of the pO2 not dropping down (presumably) because of the O2.

[Saturnus]

1 minute ago, Yunru said:

Don't know what to tell you, I specifically put pO2 beneath the O2 in mine to disprove that (you can still see remnants that never finished settling when I took the screenshot).

Try again now. They changed the behaviour of how PO2 and O2 interact with the Tubular upgrade almost a year ago so I suspect that screenshot is from before that.

[Yunru]

That screenshot's from Cosmic...

Haven't even been playing a year.

[psusi]

Isn't that if they are equal pressure?  If the PO2 is higher pressure than the O2, shouldn't it compress down the O2 until they are about equal pressure?

[Saturnus]

11 minutes ago, Yunru said:

That screenshot's from Cosmic...

Haven't even been playing a year.

I strongly doubt that. Or you have put PO2 on top by mistake.

8 minutes ago, psusi said:

Isn't that if they are equal pressure?  If the PO2 is higher pressure than the O2, shouldn't it compress down the O2 until they are about equal pressure?

It will still not make them exchange vertical positions as the pufts immediately consume the PO2 that is pushed down the room will always be (more or less) equal pressure.

At the end of the day there's just not enough morbs I think. IIRC you need 24 morbs per puft now. Or something silly like that.

[psusi]

1 minute ago, Saturnus said:

At the end of the day there's just not enough morbs I think. IIRC you need 24 morbs per puft now. Or something silly like that.

What.  The.  Frack?  I thought it was 3 per puft.  How the hell are you supposed to ranch pufts without lagging yourself to death?

[beowulf2010]

4 minutes ago, psusi said:

What.  The.  Frack?  I thought it was 3 per puft.  How the hell are you supposed to ranch pufts without lagging yourself to death?

That's the million dollar question... 

Probably max pressure/over pressured polluted water offgassing.

[Saturnus]

2 minutes ago, psusi said:

What.  The.  Frack?  I thought it was 3 per puft.  How the hell are you supposed to ranch pufts without lagging yourself to death?

Scratch that. Found the issue. There's too much oxygen in the bottom room. You can see that by the polluted oxygen pressure in the top room is 1142g/tile in the OPs picture. Morbs stop farting at about 1000g/tile. So the solution is simply to reduce the amount of oxygen pressure in the puft room.

Resource thread for morbs: 

 

[psusi]

2 minutes ago, beowulf2010 said:

That's the million dollar question... 

Probably max pressure/over pressured polluted water offgassing.

Not only would that take like a 50 tile wide pool of ph2o, but GETTING ph2o ( and algae ) is the whole point of ranching pufts.

2 minutes ago, Saturnus said:

Scratch that. Found the issue. There's too much oxygen in the bottom room. You can see that by the polluted oxygen pressure in the top room is 1142g/tile in the OPs picture. Morbs stop farting at about 1000g/tile. So the solution is simply to reduce the amount of oxygen pressure in the puft room.

I thought they were supposed to work to 1800g?

[Saturnus]

12 minutes ago, psusi said:

Not only would that take like a 50 tile wide pool of ph2o, but GETTING ph2o ( and algae ) is the whole point of ranching pufts.

I thought they were supposed to work to 1800g?

I quote from the resource above

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1. PO2's Atmospheric pression around the morb don't be egal or above 1000g. The pression of other gaz doesn't matter.

Now @SamLogan is natively French speaking so a slight translation might be in order. What he's saying is the PO2 pressure must be lower than 1000g.

[beowulf2010]

8 minutes ago, psusi said:

Not only would that take like a 50 tile wide pool of ph2o, but GETTING ph2o ( and algae ) is the whole point of ranching pufts.

>Shrugs< Just answering his question about Polluted Oxygen without killing his processor. 3kg/cycle with no input other than topping off an airflow tile covered tank is about as nice to the computer as you can get. 

Of course, there's always the Metal Refinery offgassing trick... 

[Yunru]

34 minutes ago, Saturnus said:

I strongly doubt that. Or you have put PO2 on top by mistake.

Whether you believe or not doesn't change the truth. That was from cosmic, repeated twice. Same result each time. Also seen it outside of testing environments.

[psusi]

11 minutes ago, Yunru said:

Whether you believe or not doesn't change the truth. That was from cosmic, repeated twice. Same result each time. Also seen it outside of testing environments.

Yea, PO2 definitely rises above O2.  I keep having pockets of it end up in my great hall.  It comes from my polluted water tank which has to rise up, move a good 6 tiles to the left, rise up the ladder, move to the left again into the great hall, instead of continuing to rise further up the ladder, so it seems it wants to go up and to the left compared to o2.

[Saturnus]

24 minutes ago, psusi said:

Yea, PO2 definitely rises above O2.  I keep having pockets of it end up in my great hall.  It comes from my polluted water tank which has to rise up, move a good 6 tiles to the left, rise up the ladder, move to the left again into the great hall, instead of continuing to rise further up the ladder, so it seems it wants to go up and to the left compared to o2.

As I said. PO2 and O2 never change places vertically only horizontally unless, and I stressed that, there are other factors at play which there is in your case. What happens in your case is the passive pumping of the dupes deleting oxygen and the polluted water tank producing new gas by off gassing creates a gas flow in your base. That has nothing to do with the physical properties however.

I use the negative pressure that dupes creates (by inhaling a large amount of O2 but exhaling next to no CO2) all the time to predict air flow in my bases, and use it constructively. Especially Great Halls and Bed rooms are places where the dupes spend a lot of time every day in a fixed location so that creates a very reliable pumping effect.

[psusi]

5 minutes ago, Saturnus said:

As I said. PO2 and O2 never change places vertically only horizontally unless, and I stressed that, there are other factors at play which there is in your case. What happen in your case is the passive pumping of the dupes deleting oxygen and the polluted water tank producing new gas by off gassing creates a gas flow in your base. That has nothing to do with the physical properties however.

What?  How does the fact that the po2 rises above o2 instead of going sideways on the lower floor to be consumed by a deoderizer there not have to do with the physical properties and contradict what you say?

[Saturnus]

1 minute ago, psusi said:

What?  How does the fact that the po2 rises above o2 instead of going sideways on the lower floor to be consumed by a deoderizer there not have to do with the physical properties and contradict what you say?

Deodorizers also create negative pressure. It consumes 100g/s PO2 but outputs only 90g/s O2. So it's basically an air pump.

[Bagdar]

Tengo que bombear de al lado de esta abitacion por que estos no producen lo suficiente para alimentar a 6 puff. Ademas de que son seres muy estupidos estos puff, con la habitacion saturada con cerca de 2kg de aire contaminado por cuadricula aun sale el msj de inanicion.