Talk Tame Pacu

[blash365]

Taming pacus seems to be a double edged sword. A pacu needs a high volume of algae per cycle by default.

If you choose to feed them with them without rationing, you will either need to run ~3 rooms full of pufts with algae distillers to support them or you will eventually run out of algae.
And that is when the problem gets worse. All pacus that have eaten your precious algae before, will now be tame and require algae to survive, let alone reproduce. And there will be many of them, since they have an abnormal rate of 67% per cycle. Maybe you will quickly notice that the pacus are eating through your algae reserves and decide against feeding them. But that means that your pacus will die. It is one of those cases where you are set-up to fail in your first game.

While it is certainly a challenge to play a game with dead-ends, this seems to be a very deadly dead-end for newcomers. They will not only have no more pacus for meat and egg shell gain, but also end up with no algae reserves, which they need for oxygen production.

The game does currently not offer us a way to get a tamed critter back to the wild state to get us out of this deadend.

I'd like to propose a simple solution (assuming there are no further plans with tame pacus): Currently tame pacus have absolutely no effect compared with other critters. Hatches produce more coal, pufts produce more slime, slicksters produce more oil when tamed. The only upside of pacus is their increased reproduction. That is why i am suggesting that we might not need the "tame" state for pacus. Let's just increase their reproduction in relation to the algae they have been eating. The increase might even go up to the current 67%, but if we choose (or are forced) to cut down the algae infeed, then they will drop their current wild reproduction rate of ~1 egg in 25 cycles.

Is there even such a thing as a tame fish?

 

 

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[Lilalaunekuh]

29 minutes ago, blash365 said:

All pacus that have eaten your precious algae before, will now be tame and require algae to survive, let alone reproduce.

If nothing changed a tamed pacu should reproduce even without algae

[blash365]

21 minutes ago, Lilalaunekuh said:

If nothing changed a tamed pacu should reproduce even without algae

I stand corrected.

I retract my OP.

[Prince Mandor]

58 minutes ago, blash365 said:

. All pacus that have eaten your precious algae before, will now be tame and require algae to survive, let alone reproduce. And there will be many of them, since they have an abnormal rate of 67% per cycle. Maybe you will quickly notice that the pacus are eating through your algae reserves and decide against feeding them. But that means that your pacus will die. 

Do you really try it, before writing?

Last time I checked, pacus perfectly survive and reproduce without food, and only overcrowding kills them.

Does it really changed?

[Yoma_Nosme]

Anyway...I think fishfood production would be a nice addition and the way to go. 

Maybe it should require algae as well but just 50% or less + something else(maybe mealwood idk :D), dupepower and electricity for the machine so it would be balanced. 

You would still need to run puft farms and slime refinery. But not excessively. 

[blash365]

8 hours ago, Prince Mandor said:

Do you really try it, before writing?

Last time I checked, pacus perfectly survive and reproduce without food, and only overcrowding kills them.

Does it really changed?

I think i misinterpreted the "glum" affect on pacus. It seems not to affect their default reproduction rate, which is good.

[Lilalaunekuh]

So how do you think about tame pacus ?

(I still just use wild pacus, because tame pacus will show some annoying notifications^^)

[Nativel]

16 hours ago, blash365 said:

A pacu needs a high volume of algae per cycle by default.

Be more accurate. Need for what? To produce eggs with 67% repruduction rate per cycle? Yes.

Because without algae and without any attention tamed pacu still have reproduction rate 7% with is more than enough to lay one egg before death,with is mean in 25 cycles tamed pacu produce 1 kg of meat and 2 kg of egg shells.

So you typing here about you need 1 room full of pufts to produce 1 extra egg every 1,5 cycles and all benefits from this extra egg that I typed before and it's too much for you, but not for me. I vote for encrease pacu ration rate to 1400kg of algae for 1 extra egg, so you need 10 rooms full of pufts for extra eggs, how about that?

[blash365]

And there was i thinking i was typing passive aggressive on forums. Lesson learned.

@Lilalaunekuh : I played a bit more with tame pacus now. I dont get any notifcations from them, they just have the glum & hungry state all the time, if you dont feed them.

The glum state is a bit irritating, because as far as i understand it, the 80% metabolism reduction applies to other critters reproduction rate, but the pacu seems to be fertilizing happily on.

They also seemed to have fixed pacus counting air spaces as part of their "ranch". Pacus will overcrowd unless they have enough water spaces to stay in.

[Lilalaunekuh]

30 minutes ago, blash365 said:

I played a bit more with tame pacus now. I dont get any notifcations from them, they just have the glum & hungry state all the time, if you dont feed them.

Thank you for testing. (Had some critter death notifications, but some patches ago and hadn´t tried it again^^)

 

32 minutes ago, blash365 said:

The glum state is a bit irritating, because as far as i understand it, the 80% metabolism reduction applies to other critters reproduction rate, but the pacu seems to be fertilizing happily on.

The glum state seems irritating, but at least gulp fish clean water independent from the metabolism.

[Soulwind]

All critters now have a base reproduction rate large enough to ensure 1 egg before death, as long as other conditions are met (temp, crowding, etc) and happy status gives a bonus to that rate.  So, technically, you don't have to feed or tame ANY critters.  But your populations will remain very low if you don't.

What I do is to feed a generation or two of pacus to tame them and to get the huge reproduction rate until my aquarium is filled with the quantity I want.  Then stop feeding.  Reproduction rates will fall back to baseline, but the total population should remain static.  The only time that really fails is when several of the variant egg types are show up and throw the numbers off.  I either live with it (for gulp fish) or transfer the egg out before hatching (tropical) [my aquarium is kept way too cool for tropical].  I can always start feeding again for a few cycles if I ever need to replenish my base stock.

I get plenty of shells and meat from doing this, it just takes awhile to get rolling.

[Sasza22]

Maybe for pacus the feeder should just give a boost in reoprduction rate instead of the tame effect. Want more eggs - feed the fish.

[Lilalaunekuh]

6 minutes ago, Sasza22 said:

Maybe for pacus the feeder should just give a boost in reproduction rate instead of the tame effect. Want more eggs - feed the fish.

Both have the same effect of reducing the amount of algae needed to increase your population

[Nativel]

1 hour ago, blash365 said:

I played a bit more with tame pacus now. I dont get any notifcations from them, they just have the glum & hungry state all the time, if you dont feed them.

Oh, I didn't know that, ok so it's look's like you came from the past to us and have time mashine? (just kidding and trying to defuse the situation)

So if you don't know about pacu might be you don't know about time machine side effects, with is much more important, watch this: