Can someone help save my base from heat death?

[suicide commando]

Help, my base is slowly dieing from heat death. I've been trying to cool down the main culprit, a pair of 'cool' steam geysers, but it's not helping enough, I also get pretty much all the wheezeworts I could get my hands on.

 

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[Kabrute]

are you willing to use an exploit?

if yes then just build an ice sculpture in the top of your water tank, with its feet in the water

[suicide commando]

I'd prefer not to use any exploits, although destroying heat by putting it in a material you send off to somethign where it gets destroyed is legal I suppose.

 

[Kabrute]

ok then, run your geysers either straight to electrolizer, or through your bathroom, then seive (constant 40c output) as long as you pipe straight into things germs wont affect them (except slimlung to electrolizer, bad juju) so you can send germy (food poisoning) water to everything without affecting it and deleting heat in the process.  The real key is to build with abysallite, your pipes, bathroom, everything.  And Isolate heat production from the base.  Set up an aquatuner or two by some AETNs and pump cold fluid (petrol/oil best imo PH2O also works well) around or through your base dumping the heat on the thermonullifier.  Makes for decent cold distribution.  Alternatively super cool your O2 -10c (4 thermoregs will drop 60c) before dumping it in the base to counter existing heat

[Cypher-7]

I find putting a storage container with ice and snow inside of your bases water Pool helps keep everything cool as that water get pumped to other places in your base.

[Zarquan]

On top of @Kabrute's advice, I have a few suggestions:

If you have natural gas generators, cool them to around -20 C.  Then use the polluted water to liquid cool thermoregulators and then use the polluted water in fertilizer synthesizers.  It may have a bit of the drip cooling exploit in it, but it would work without it.  The downside is that if you use this, your base will depend on having the natural gas.  The reason is that natural gas generators put out their outputs at the same temperature as the generator.

Buildings that consume resources should have the temperature be maximized.  If you use AETN, you should try to heat up the hydrogen as much as possible before sending it away.  It'll help delete more heat.  Same with hydrogen generators and natural gas generators and electrolyzers.

Also, you can maximize the effectiveness of wheezeworts by putting them in hydrogen.

If you have areas of extreme temperatures, like a volcano, steam turbines directly delete heat and generate power at the same time.

[BlueLance]

Use an AETN if you are not already? if set up it can cool a heck of a lot. I onyl recently started experimenting with cooling 90 Degree water from my geysers though using three aquatuners in polluted water, I plan to upgrade the system to cool the polluted water with super cooled hydrogen as well.

[cpy]

Honestly I don't know how to run base without few borg cubes. I don't even use crude oil in them anymore, petroleum ftw.

If you don't want to use exploits then don't play this game? Water sieve breaks thermo dynamics, eletrolyzers break thermo dynamics. Dupes exhale and poop way less mass than they eat. Hydrogen generator do not use oxygen and output water or use hydrogen and output helium. Mining somehow destroys 50% of mass. Broken objects don't produce scrap metal/rocks from damaged parts, energy gets created and destroyed constantly. Conservation of mass? What conservation?Tepidizer creates 21x more heat than power it uses, but you can't reverse the process? Entropy is ALWAYS PRESERVED! Thermal mass is reduced 10x, heat exchange is non existent, gas diffusion does not exist. I mean this whole game is a complete and utter physics mess. But fun mess indeed. So for all intents and purposes BORG CUBE IS NOT an exploit. Considering real physics EVERYTHING is exploit.

This is physics inspired puzzle solver, where you don't care about real physics but how you can do it in game!

[suicide commando]

@cpy

There's exploits and there's exploits. I mean there are some things if used on large scale, like drip cooling that are clearly not meant to be used like that. Destroying heat by heating up something you use up and have the heat dissapear is part of the game in my opinion.
Anyway, I think I'm going to start a new game, and build up a new colony. I got some nice ideas on how to improve things, and get new toys in place like a huge slickster ranche to provide my food and oil needs.

 

 

[cpy]

@suicide commando we have liquid tepizider that magically create 21x more heat than it uses power, so why not use borg cubes for the reverse effect?

This is not real? Sure it is! You use 1kW power to create 1kW of heating. Or you can use 1kW power to create 4kW of heat transfer power! Question is where the hell is that tepidizer pulling all the heat from? Reverse AC/Fridge. Think of this as a inside of a fridge is outside and cooling fins are inside.

[Oozinator]

28 minutes ago, cpy said:

Honestly I don't know how to run base without few borg cubes. I don't even use crude oil in them anymore, petroleum ftw.

If you don't want to use exploits then don't play this game? Water sieve breaks thermo dynamics, eletrolyzers break thermo dynamics. Dupes exhale and poop way less mass than they eat. Hydrogen generator do not use oxygen and output water or use hydrogen and output helium. Mining somehow destroys 50% of mass. Broken objects don't produce scrap metal/rocks from damaged parts, energy gets created and destroyed constantly. Conservation of mass? What conservation?Tepidizer creates 21x more heat than power it uses, but you can't reverse the process? Entropy is ALWAYS PRESERVED! Thermal mass is reduced 10x, heat exchange is non existent, gas diffusion does not exist. I mean this whole game is a complete and utter physics mess. But fun mess indeed. So for all intents and purposes BORG CUBE IS NOT an exploit. Considering real physics EVERYTHING is exploit.

This is physics inspired puzzle solver, where you don't care about real physics but how you can do it in game!

[suicide commando]

5 hours ago, Oozinator said:

and POOF a dupe dies...

 

[Zarquan]

6 hours ago, cpy said:

Honestly I don't know how to run base without few borg cubes. I don't even use crude oil in them anymore, petroleum ftw.

If you don't want to use exploits then don't play this game? Water sieve breaks thermo dynamics, eletrolyzers break thermo dynamics. Dupes exhale and poop way less mass than they eat. Hydrogen generator do not use oxygen and output water or use hydrogen and output helium. Mining somehow destroys 50% of mass. Broken objects don't produce scrap metal/rocks from damaged parts, energy gets created and destroyed constantly. Conservation of mass? What conservation?Tepidizer creates 21x more heat than power it uses, but you can't reverse the process? Entropy is ALWAYS PRESERVED! Thermal mass is reduced 10x, heat exchange is non existent, gas diffusion does not exist. I mean this whole game is a complete and utter physics mess. But fun mess indeed. So for all intents and purposes BORG CUBE IS NOT an exploit. Considering real physics EVERYTHING is exploit.

This is physics inspired puzzle solver, where you don't care about real physics but how you can do it in game!

All the things you talk about breaking real world laws of physics are intentional and purposeful decisions by the developers of the game to make their universe.  Their universe has its own physics that do not have to correspond to the real world.  Mining destroys half the mass because the developers said so.  Broken machines don't release scrap but still require materials to fix because they said so.  Tepidizers produce tons of heat because the developers said so.  Entropy may always stay the same or increase in our world, but it doesn't have to in ONI.  Energy gets created and destroyed because that is how the developers designed it.  They design the world, so they get to define the physics.  It does not have to correspond to our universe in the slightest.  And for those people who think wheezeworts are cheating, the developers put them in, so they are a part of the world for us to use. 

The borg cube is different.  The aquatuner was specifically not designed to destroy heat.  It was designed to transfer heat from the incoming liquid to the aquatuner.  By using the borg cube, you are directly going against the purpose and limitations that the developers intended for you to have when you use an aquatuner.  As far as I can tell, the borg cube is a result of a computational error rather than an intentional feature of the game, and is therefore an exploit.  I will hold this view until a developer says that the current drip cooling mechanics are intended.

Don't say that because we don't want to go against the intentional internal physics of the world that we shouldn't play the game.  

[cpy]

Borg cube is a feature!

[Zarquan]

10 minutes ago, cpy said:

Borg cube is a feature!

Do you have a quote saying that the aquatuner is designed to destroy heat from a developer?  Because I have a quote from them that says that it doesn't.  "A thermo aquatuner cools liquid and outputs the heat elsewhere."  This is direct from the building's description, which they wrote.

A quote from the developers that says the drip cooling exploit is intended would also be sufficient.

[NanoD]

15 minutes ago, Zarquan said:

A quote from the developers that says the drip cooling exploit is intended would also be sufficient.

I did ask about it on the stream. But they avoided that question.

[cpy]

30 minutes ago, Zarquan said:

Do you have a quote saying that the aquatuner is designed to destroy heat?  Because I have a quote that says that it doesn't.  "A thermo aquatuner cools liquid and outputs the heat elsewhere."  This is direct from the building's description. 

It outputs heat to the void of space! Radiator system ftw. Obviously.

[MorsDux]

no need to use exploits of any kind. You can cool your base without drip cooling or borg cubes.

Use ice for your base for quick cooling, then utilize AETNs and wheezeworts anything you can find. put wheezeworts in hidrogen chamber and run an oil pipe through it. Make a huge radiator with the oil pipes, send cooling anywhere you want with only 240W or less power usage (pump).

You can find these solutions on youtube if you want to copy. You can cool a 100 dupe base without drop cooling bug with only 2 AETNs and 10-15 worts. 

Im not saying you guys shouldnt use borg cubes and whatever. Its not like you are using a cheat code or something. The game also has easy and hard settings, its totally fine to go with easy too.

But if you want to improve yourselves you should try hardest difficulty and no bug abuse. Makes for a great gameplay even if you lose. But you really shouldnt be losing, you can copy radiator setups the same as you can copy borg cubes. Challange yourselves. Or not. Its a single player game afterall.

[trukogre]

4 hours ago, cpy said:

It outputs heat to the void of space! Radiator system ftw. Obviously.

And when the devs finally figure out how to fix the drip cooling bug? lol.  Is that when every radiator just happens to break all at the same time?

[cpy]

6 hours ago, trukogre said:

And when the devs finally figure out how to fix the drip cooling bug? lol.  Is that when every radiator just happens to break all at the same time?

Why is everyone calling it a bug? It's a obvious hidden feature! I guess we'll all move to hydrogen cooler AETN or whatever it's called.

[monkey_fingers]

12 hours ago, NanoD said:

I did ask about it on the stream. But they avoided that question.

Yes, they certainly did lol 

Would be interesting to hear from the developers of the game (once it's finished) their thoughts about the drip cooling exploit. Also, that of course means it can be fixed and not a "feature" of the engine / designed they used.

[trukogre]

1 hour ago, cpy said:

Why is everyone calling it a bug? It's a obvious hidden feature! I guess we'll all move to hydrogen cooler AETN or whatever it's called.

"obvious hidden" is an obvious oxymoron.

[cpy]

4 hours ago, trukogre said:

"obvious hidden" is an obvious oxymoron.

You can't have all the secrets spelled out for you, it would lose its magic if you knew all the cool hidden features.

Damn it I think I might try liquid chlorine borg cube, but where to get so much of it.

[suicide commando]

TO THE CHLORINE GEYSER!

 

[trukogre]

9 hours ago, cpy said:

You can't have all the secrets spelled out for you, it would lose its magic if you knew all the cool hidden features.

Damn it I think I might try liquid chlorine borg cube, but where to get so much of it.

It already lost its magic along with its wallet, so your argument is invalid.