Check it Box (EDIT: Temp-Filter) vs. Aquatuner-trouble

[Yoma_Nosme]

The idea is when the aquatuner cools the liquid(oil), it goes off, cools some of the machinery comes back but before it goes back to the AT it first has to pass the "check it box".

The box is made from abysalite. Vacuum inside. The 1kg of liquid is dropped on the T-sensor(wolframite/tungsten or gold) and pumped out by a small pump. 

If the liquid temp is below the point the AT would suffer pipe breaking the box redirects it via automation valve to a "warm up tank" (cooling some water around the tank in my case) or just pipe-cool some more something else.

If the liquid temp is save for cooling the box feeds it back to AT

So Yoma, where's the problem? The issue I can't wrap my head around is how to make the AT cool 10kg packets. Since the box takes 1kg packets that are branched off from the main pipe(but feed back after the box) the AT does that stupid thing where it pushes small packets

I tried to use a regular pump inside the box to avoid the 1kg valve and this works very well(works even with P-water just added a small gas pump to suck out the P-ox to maintain the vacuum I think a regular pump would work as well if you don't have plastic) and added hydro sensor and aut-valve to only feed the box if there's less than 10kg liquid inside

but I would really like to make this work with the small pump and re-merging the 1kg and 9kg pack before I goes back to the AT. I think it's more power efficient

What can I do to make the AT (first pic) process 10kg packs? Forgive me the pumbing is a little messy I just tried like anything to make it work

Cheers

[FutureJohny]

Try recirculating the checked liquid using bridge with output on main pipe, it is better for merging packets. 

[The Plum Gate]

@Yoma_Nosme,

Sorry to embed this like this, but.. there is a picture there of a supply-on-intake loop. You could use a similar loop or loops in a loop-on-intake setup.

The bridges keep the hydrogen flowing in the radiator while a single line in supplies new hydrogen packets to the loop/cache, thereby supplying the generator with healthy/large packets.

Notice the gaps after passing the generator, this is where the generator has taken from the loop.

I imagine such a setup with a continuous supply already flowing in would be more trivial - due note that in that picture,  the gas valve is NOT getting any packets, the bridge intake has priority over the valve due to placement in the line with regard to the supply source. 

[Yoma_Nosme]

15 minutes ago, FutureJohny said:

Try recirculating the checked liquid using bridge with output on main pipe, it is better for merging packets. 

I see, yes this would probably help. I thought I have tried that but I can't remember I tried so much   But I can't test it atm. Anyway, thanks, good eye friend

[clickrush]

There are two ways of merging packets to be of 10kg for the aquatuner when the input pipe is <10kg. They both use the fact that inline inputs get prioritized. Bridges are the typical thing to use for this.

One way is to premerge the packets via bridges. Meaning you put a bridge into the input pipe (before AT) and feed the liquid back into it. This way only 10kg packets will pass the bridge. With this method you draw heat of X/10kg * -14K * heat capacity of liquid per second.

The other way is to put the bridge in a way so it feeds back from the output pipe (after AT) back into the input pipe. This way you draw heat of 10kg * -14K * heat capacity of liquid per second.

[Saturnus]

So you essentially want to bypass the aquatuner. It's little trickier than you might think at first but that's just because of pipe weirdness.

Anyway. I set up a small system which is spread out so you can see how it's done but you can compact it later.

It's two pictures. One with the aquatuner on, the other it's off.

Edit: and before you say that you're trying to merge a small run-off back before the aquatuner with it still taking 10kg packets in. It's the same thing. It's the combination of a valve and a bridge that is the trick.

[Yoma_Nosme]

@The Plum Gate

Thank you for the post. I will definitely look into It when I get home I need to try it out in game:D

@clickrush

Thanks for the reply.

What bugs me is that basically the packets are already merged before they hit the AT (there are 10kg packs before the AT) but it Inputs/outputs small packets sometimes(i.e. pic 1 ) because the pipe does like send 1kg to the box then 9kg down the line per click since they are same temp when they merge they either go as 10kg to the tank or back to AT.

I think the problem is the pipe is full with 10kg packets but the pipe moves always 1kg first then the other 9kg and the AT does basically the same he just fills the free space

@Saturnus

This looks very cool! This might cure my AT from his baby problems. Thank you! I will definitely try it out when I get home

[Lifegrow]

13 hours ago, Saturnus said:

So you essentially want to bypass the aquatuner. It's little trickier than you might think at first but that's just because of pipe weirdness.

Anyway. I set up a small system which is spread out so you can see how it's done but you can compact it later.It's two pictures. One with the aquatuner on, the other it's off.

Spoiler

Edit: and before you say that you're trying to merge a small run-off back before the aquatuner with it still taking 10kg packets in. It's the same thing. It's the combination of a valve and a bridge that is the trick.

 

 

I really need to stop using liquid shut offs to control my aquatuners - this is so much easier. Solid work as ever bud.

[r0r]

On 16/02/2018 at 1:32 PM, Saturnus said:

So you essentially want to bypass the aquatuner. It's little trickier than you might think at first but that's just because of pipe weirdness.

Anyway. I set up a small system which is spread out so you can see how it's done but you can compact it later.

It's two pictures. One with the aquatuner on, the other it's off.

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So I'm trying to set up a gas cooling system with hydrogen running from a gas pump through granite pipes to a thermo regulator and onwards, and I'm thinking that packet merging should be possible with gases too, right?

But the hydrogen enters, exits the regulator, re-enters, and emerges merged into a full packet but only every second packet. Is the valve essential for this to work and, if so, what is the valve set to - 1000g/s?

[Saturnus]

4 hours ago, r0r said:

Is the valve essential for this to work and, if so, what is the valve set to - 1000g/s?

Yes. Doesn't matter what you set it to.

[Yoma_Nosme]

@Saturnus

I'm sorry for the inconvenience but unfortunatly I couldn't make it work the way I was trying to...

I think I havn't described very well where i was trying to go with the build. I am trying to make a "Thermal Filter"

I tried to acchieve to have no down-time on the AT since there should never be any Liquid processed that could cause pipe break and to maximize throughput of the AT (10kg/s)

 

I've added a gif because I see my screenshot was hard to look through and cleared some of the other piping for better visibility

(the gif just looks choppy because of the downsampling of the frames, the packets merge just flawless after the "temp-filter"

Spoiler

You can see there are small packets beeing pushed by the AT. Is there a way of fixing this?

Thank you!

[Kabrute]

mind sharing a save so I can take a deeper look?

Because I am thinking you might want to swtich up your valve to the output side instead of the input side, valve its output it will leak out cold while pulling in full packets on input

[Yoma_Nosme]

Sure, thanks!

But it needs some cycles to cool down till it starts

ladida pol finish.sav

EDIT: I just saw i deconstructed the refill pipe, if u havent added one yourself here's a new save file

ladida pol finish refill .sav

EDIT2: the temp sensor inside the temp filter should be adjusted to -20 to -23°C its set to -10 in the save file

and the refill needs an automation valve so it only refills when the the valve that goes to the warm up tank opens otherwise the temp filter box could get a bit flooded

Sorry I removed some things because I thought I have to start over

[Yoma_Nosme]

I just made some adjustments(temp sensor, automation, refill, and unhooked the radiator so it cools faster)

ladida pol finish 2.sav

[Saturnus]

Works for me this way,

Again, it's the valve and bridge combination in the branch off and merge that is the difference between working as it should and not.

[Yoma_Nosme]

NICE!!

I wish I could say I get i now, but I'm still confused by this pipe-a-palooza

I will implement your improvements and study it!

THANKS A LOT, you're the MAN!!!

[TheScaryOne]

I've tried to piece something like this together on my own a couple times without success. Hopefully we'll get a pipe and vent temp sensor to make this easier, but this is a great workaround until then. The intricacies of the flow mechanics boggle me.