Technoincubus Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 Subj. It seems using power transformer for conductive wires have no sense. It remains on 1kW limit. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/83789-power-transformer-does-not-raise-power-to-2kw-for-conductive-wires/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
serfranc Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 Construct 2 transformers, then there will be a sense Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/83789-power-transformer-does-not-raise-power-to-2kw-for-conductive-wires/#findComment-970933 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 I am confused. It was reported in a different topic that the transformer could support up to 4kw. So what's up with that. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/83789-power-transformer-does-not-raise-power-to-2kw-for-conductive-wires/#findComment-971027 Share on other sites More sharing options...
trukogre Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 4 hours ago, turbonl64 said: I am confused. It was reported in a different topic that the transformer could support up to 4kw. So what's up with that. Yes, the transformer can support up to 4kW, when connected to heaviwire on both sides, as I said in that other topic. This is about how much load the conductive wires can take, which is 2k. Here's a screenshot of a single transformer supplying 2 liquid tepidizers, which is 1920 watts, over conductive wire, which demonstrates that the OP in this topic is incorrect (Well, he's literally correct in that it does indeed "seem" to be limited to 1k based on reading the transformer description, but it's actually not, but enough semantics). The second screenshot is of a single transformer supplying 4 liquid tepidizers over heaviwire, which demonstrates that a single transformer over heaviwire can supply up to 4kW. The third screenshot shows that it won't run more than 4, as I hooked up 6 and the transformer will only power 4 tepidizers. It's all quite simple, no math or calculations, just hooking up tepidizers to transformers to see what it'll crank out. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/83789-power-transformer-does-not-raise-power-to-2kw-for-conductive-wires/#findComment-971137 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technoincubus Posted November 6, 2017 Author Share Posted November 6, 2017 So it's just a missed tooltip? Because they shut down my metal refinery which required 1200 watts and connected via conductive wire. It never started. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/83789-power-transformer-does-not-raise-power-to-2kw-for-conductive-wires/#findComment-971430 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnus Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 40 minutes ago, Technoincubus said: So it's just a missed tooltip? Because they shut down my metal refinery which required 1200 watts and connected via conductive wire. It never started. Put a battery on the wire if consumption exceeds 1KW. Any battery type will do. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/83789-power-transformer-does-not-raise-power-to-2kw-for-conductive-wires/#findComment-971457 Share on other sites More sharing options...
trukogre Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 43 minutes ago, Technoincubus said: So it's just a missed tooltip? Because they shut down my metal refinery which required 1200 watts and connected via conductive wire. It never started. Right, we just had that issue with the aquatuner; it's easy to make the faulty assumption that everyone here on the forums has read every thread in the past month. There are two separate issues at play here, one is how much wattage the transformer can supply, and the other is how large a chunk of Joules the transformer can supply. The transformer will supply 1000J 4 times a seconds, which is indeed 4 kW, but it sounds like the metal refinery wants 1200 Joules all at once; so the problem isn't that the transformer won't supply the wattage, but that it won't supply the Joules in a large enough chunk, or so it appears. My experience has been that building a battery downstream of the transformer solves this issue, as the transformer will keep the battery charged up to a 4kW draw (or 2kW on 2kW wire) and the battery will then handle any large chunk demand for joules. Obviously, in the above picture, 1 transformer has no problem feeding 4 liquid tepidizers without a battery, because it can feed each one 960J during one tick. This stuff isn't documented so all this is just theories based on gameplay experience. edit: saturnus beat me to it by omitting the explanation Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/83789-power-transformer-does-not-raise-power-to-2kw-for-conductive-wires/#findComment-971459 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clinch Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 On 11/6/2017 at 4:39 PM, Saturnus said: Put a battery on the wire if consumption exceeds 1KW. Any battery type will do. Google led me here with the title of the thread, this solved the problem super-quickly, cheers!!! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/83789-power-transformer-does-not-raise-power-to-2kw-for-conductive-wires/#findComment-993485 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KittenIsAGeek Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 I use a transformer for all my high-power devices now. Any device or circuit that draws more than 1kw of power must have a battery on it. However, that battery will remain fully charged while the device is running. I discovered that the transformer will actually provide up to 4kw of power continually without a battery while I was experimenting with another circuit. However, that requires the use of heavi-watt wire, which defeats the purpose of using the transformer. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/83789-power-transformer-does-not-raise-power-to-2kw-for-conductive-wires/#findComment-993667 Share on other sites More sharing options...
trukogre Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 14 hours ago, KittenIsAGeek said: I use a transformer for all my high-power devices now. Any device or circuit that draws more than 1kw of power must have a battery on it. However, that battery will remain fully charged while the device is running. I discovered that the transformer will actually provide up to 4kw of power continually without a battery while I was experimenting with another circuit. However, that requires the use of heavi-watt wire, which defeats the purpose of using the transformer. Yes, that's where we were three months ago; but now running infinite voltage over normal 1kW wire using automation tricks is the new thing. Transformers are so last year. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/83789-power-transformer-does-not-raise-power-to-2kw-for-conductive-wires/#findComment-993911 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technoincubus Posted February 5, 2018 Author Share Posted February 5, 2018 Another question - what will work 1. Transformer=>conductive wire=>Battery=>Conductive wire=>Machine that requires 1200 watts 2. Transformer=>commone wire=>Battery=>Conductive wire=>Machine that requires 1200 watts 3. Transformer 1=>wire 1=>battery 1=>Conductive Wire=>Machine that requires 1200 watts Transformer 1=>wire 2=>Battery 2=>Conductive Wire=>Machine that requires 1200 watts Can one transforemer support 2 branches of wires each feeding own battery and then machinery? So far I used conductive wires but if transformer can feed only 1kw then I can reduce conductive wire usage and save on materials by using conductives on past-battery section only. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/83789-power-transformer-does-not-raise-power-to-2kw-for-conductive-wires/#findComment-999822 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lifegrow Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 General rule of thumb : Don't mix wires on your circuits - unless you're being a skinflint Personally I keep my heavy main circuits (i.e. your main power gen grid) heavy watt, and everything that branches off of that as conductive. I never mix conductive and standard wire. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/83789-power-transformer-does-not-raise-power-to-2kw-for-conductive-wires/#findComment-999828 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasuha Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 On 11/5/2017 at 5:52 PM, turbonl64 said: I am confused. It was reported in a different topic that the transformer could support up to 4kw. So what's up with that. A transformer can supply 1 kJ four times per second. If the consumption is say 1200 W, then that 1 kJ supply is too low so the device is unpowered and draws no power. If you put a battery behind the transformer, the first 1 kJ will not feed the device but it will be stored in the battery. And the next tick, the 1 kJ will go from the transformer and the remaining 200 J will go from the battery and the device will run. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/83789-power-transformer-does-not-raise-power-to-2kw-for-conductive-wires/#findComment-999871 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Plum Gate Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 I wish they would kick it up a notch to 2000J and introduce a smaller transformer - heavy or conductive to regular 1kv line. The nomenclature and technical representation is misleading simply looking at the information provided via the building description. This makes it look like the 2kv transformer is missing. Having a 1kv rated one that doesn't require ground placement would be nice. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/83789-power-transformer-does-not-raise-power-to-2kw-for-conductive-wires/#findComment-999874 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technoincubus Posted February 5, 2018 Author Share Posted February 5, 2018 I don't think new players can easily figure this out without going to forums Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/83789-power-transformer-does-not-raise-power-to-2kw-for-conductive-wires/#findComment-999878 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Kasuha said: A transformer can supply 1 kJ four times per second. If the consumption is say 1200 W, then that 1 kJ supply is too low so the device is unpowered and draws no power. If you put a battery behind the transformer, the first 1 kJ will not feed the device but it will be stored in the battery. And the next tick, the 1 kJ will go from the transformer and the remaining 200 J will go from the battery and the device will run. You do know that message is 3 months old and someone else already explained it to me further up, right ? But thanks anyway. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/83789-power-transformer-does-not-raise-power-to-2kw-for-conductive-wires/#findComment-999888 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasuha Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 12 minutes ago, turbonl64 said: You do know that message is 3 months old My bad, I usually don't check age of the thread. I usually assume that if it has recent replies, it's recent as a whole. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/83789-power-transformer-does-not-raise-power-to-2kw-for-conductive-wires/#findComment-999890 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 26 minutes ago, Kasuha said: My bad, I usually don't check age of the thread. I usually assume that if it has recent replies, it's recent as a whole. No problem mate. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/83789-power-transformer-does-not-raise-power-to-2kw-for-conductive-wires/#findComment-999906 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kabrute Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 on a related note I don't even use transformers anymore, when I do need something fancy I use staggered disconnects Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/83789-power-transformer-does-not-raise-power-to-2kw-for-conductive-wires/#findComment-999907 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FIXBUGFIXBUGFIX Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 I did a test just now. A transformer can provide 5kw power instead of 4kw.(41 refrigerators) Does I miss something? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/83789-power-transformer-does-not-raise-power-to-2kw-for-conductive-wires/#findComment-999963 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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