Nativel Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 3 minutes ago, QuantumPion said: Pumping and using 65 C water through my base and for all my machines will cook the poor dupes and gradually heat up the whole base until it is uninhabitable. ok, well. I'll show you some thing in couple minutes - ok? just wait, hehehe Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/79649-cooling-efficiency-and-working-temperature-of-wheezeworts/page/2/#findComment-929953 Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuantumPion Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 I think I've heard it mentioned that machines and objects that input a material like water are apparently unaffected by the water's temperature. So as long as the water flows through abyssalite insulated pipes throughout your base, even if 90 C water goes to your farm tiles or hydrolyzers, the output temperature will be unaffected? But that seems like it must be a bug or oversight to me. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/79649-cooling-efficiency-and-working-temperature-of-wheezeworts/page/2/#findComment-929959 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nativel Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 QuantumPion here you go, tell me is it help you? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/79649-cooling-efficiency-and-working-temperature-of-wheezeworts/page/2/#findComment-929961 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nativel Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 18 minutes ago, QuantumPion said: the output temperature will be unaffected? The output will be just fine, it won't be 90 dergee food or oxygen. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/79649-cooling-efficiency-and-working-temperature-of-wheezeworts/page/2/#findComment-929965 Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuantumPion Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Nice video, that demonstrates what I thought above. However I think that must be a bug or oversight because it seems silly to me you could feed 2000 degree magma to a machine and not heat up the surroundings. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/79649-cooling-efficiency-and-working-temperature-of-wheezeworts/page/2/#findComment-929968 Share on other sites More sharing options...
caffeinated21 Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 1 hour ago, QuantumPion said: Pumping and using 65 C water through my base and for all my machines will cook the poor dupes and gradually heat up the whole base until it is uninhabitable. Absllyte pipes my friend, absyllte pipes. Then wheezeworts in the base proper. 20 hours ago, Momotall said: Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/79649-cooling-efficiency-and-working-temperature-of-wheezeworts/page/2/#findComment-929971 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nidhoggur Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 43 minutes ago, Nativel said: QuantumPion here you go, tell me is it help you? Nativel belive me it's very stupid to poke fun at people with video title I can imagine, believe me. This sentence will free you from this hard job. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/79649-cooling-efficiency-and-working-temperature-of-wheezeworts/page/2/#findComment-929972 Share on other sites More sharing options...
olight Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 @Nativel From the video, i have some questions. 1. How did you make all refrigerators could store foods evenly? With more than one, i had always uneven distributions and some empty storages. 2. When dupes showering, don't they hurt or aren't stressed by hot water? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/79649-cooling-efficiency-and-working-temperature-of-wheezeworts/page/2/#findComment-929975 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nativel Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 but it's realy true, cose I know how it's hard and if you fill fun and you think you poke some one by this title it's not mean I feel the same, cose I'm not you. here is the screen where I belive you will see that I know how it's hard.... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/79649-cooling-efficiency-and-working-temperature-of-wheezeworts/page/2/#findComment-929976 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nativel Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 1 minute ago, olight said: 1. How did you make all refrigerators could store foods evenly? With more than one, i had always uneven distributions and some empty storages. I can't explain it w/o video, so... it's because some of them not eat all food from the fridge. 13 minutes ago, olight said: 2. When dupes showering, don't they hurt or doesn't be stressed by hot water? All fine. They fill happiness. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/79649-cooling-efficiency-and-working-temperature-of-wheezeworts/page/2/#findComment-929982 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasuha Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 2 minutes ago, Nativel said: I can't explain it w/o video, so... I see nothing in that video that couldn't be explained in a paragraph of text. Use abyssalite pipes, then the hot water won't heat your base up. And dupes are fine showering in scorching water. Here, done. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/79649-cooling-efficiency-and-working-temperature-of-wheezeworts/page/2/#findComment-929984 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nativel Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 6 minutes ago, Kasuha said: I see nothing in that video that couldn't be explained in a paragraph of text. Use abyssalite pipes, then the hot water won't heat your base up. And dupes are fine showering in scorching water. Here, done. Video was about how food go in the fridges. Dupes don't care what temperature of water will be in the shower, they care only about gases/liquids/tiles temperature they step. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/79649-cooling-efficiency-and-working-temperature-of-wheezeworts/page/2/#findComment-929988 Share on other sites More sharing options...
olight Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Thank you, now i have something that makes things more convenient and attractive. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/79649-cooling-efficiency-and-working-temperature-of-wheezeworts/page/2/#findComment-929990 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masterpintsman Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 2 hours ago, QuantumPion said: So as long as the water flows through abyssalite insulated pipes throughout your base Normal pipes made from abyssalite should currently do, havn't seen them change temperature in any form that is relevant for a colony <1k cycles... BTW: I suggested to cut the cost of the insulated pipes down to the normal ones but make them buildable from abyssalite only - would lead to the same amount of material used in isolated ones as of now, just rid us of the scrolling in the material selection window. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/79649-cooling-efficiency-and-working-temperature-of-wheezeworts/page/2/#findComment-930010 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Flying Fox Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Not really related, but I find the concept amusing of Dupes trying to work with a material like Abyssalite. How would you easily mold or shape a material that you can't thermally change? They must be chiseling away at the stuff like cavemen trying to shape it into pipes Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/79649-cooling-efficiency-and-working-temperature-of-wheezeworts/page/2/#findComment-930030 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasuha Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 2 hours ago, The Flying Fox said: Not really related, but I find the concept amusing of Dupes trying to work with a material like Abyssalite. How would you easily mold or shape a material that you can't thermally change? They must be chiseling away at the stuff like cavemen trying to shape it into pipes Perhaps it's malleable. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/79649-cooling-efficiency-and-working-temperature-of-wheezeworts/page/2/#findComment-930054 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nidhoggur Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 11 hours ago, Masterpintsman said: Normal pipes made from abyssalite should currently do, havn't seen them change temperature in any form that is relevant for a colony <1k cycles... BTW: I suggested to cut the cost of the insulated pipes down to the normal ones but make them buildable from abyssalite only - would lead to the same amount of material used in isolated ones as of now, just rid us of the scrolling in the material selection window. Ahem... So what is the point of insulated pipes then? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/79649-cooling-efficiency-and-working-temperature-of-wheezeworts/page/2/#findComment-930135 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trego Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 8 hours ago, Nidhoggur said: Ahem... So what is the point of insulated pipes then? Currently only really useful if you haven't mined enough abyssalite yet, or if you ran out. same for insulated tile. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/79649-cooling-efficiency-and-working-temperature-of-wheezeworts/page/2/#findComment-930247 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nidhoggur Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 That doesn't seem terribly useful to me. Will they change it, do you think? Maybe nerf regular abyssalite, so there is real need in insulated pipes? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/79649-cooling-efficiency-and-working-temperature-of-wheezeworts/page/2/#findComment-930428 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rezecib Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 A bit of a necro, but I think I solved the mystery of my experimental results. I noticed that the temperature reduction was extremely well-correlated with: specific heat capacity / thermal conductivity I couldn't figure out why for a long time, but then I noticed that the Wheezewort itself is 400kg (!!). In my experiment I believe it started out at 293K in all cells, so the gas would quickly cool to a point where it would gain heat from the Wheezewort's mass. So basically what I was seeing was that, in a particular instance of cooling, it follows the game code: higher specific heat means higher wattage of cooling. However, the thermal conductivity of the gas affects how much heat it transfers with the Wheezwort's own mass. The reason why the ratio between the two is the key characteristic for temperature is because thermal conductivity determines how much energy gets absorbed, and specific heat governs how much temperature change results from that energy. So Natural Gas had the highest temperature change because it didn't absorb much heat from the Wheezewort, and what little heat it did absorb didn't change its temperature as much. Compare to Chlorine, which had much lower conductivity, but also much lower specific heat; so although it absorbed less energy, the energy it did absorb changed its temperature more. Hydrogen suffered the most from this in terms of my calculated wattage because it has the highest conductivity, so it absorbed much more heat from the Wheezewort mass. However, in terms of actual wattage of cooling, Hydrogen is the best, and we can safely use the calculations given from the game code now that we understand the experimental discrepancy. So Wheezeworts cool Hydrogen at 12 kW, and have exactly 5/14 the effect of a Thermo Regulator, without heat output in the area. Natural Gas, while it looked good, actually has only 10.96 kW of cooling, and is much less effective (20.8% of Hydrogen) at absorbing other bodies' heat. TL;DR: Use Hydrogen with Wheezeworts; Natural Gas might look good in short experiments, but its success is a lie. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/79649-cooling-efficiency-and-working-temperature-of-wheezeworts/page/2/#findComment-932712 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CobraA1 Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 On 6/8/2017 at 8:59 PM, The Flying Fox said: Not really related, but I find the concept amusing of Dupes trying to work with a material like Abyssalite. How would you easily mold or shape a material that you can't thermally change? They must be chiseling away at the stuff like cavemen trying to shape it into pipes Perhaps Abyssalite is a ceramic. Ceramics can be shaped before they are fired into their final form, and have many of the properties of Abyssalite. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/79649-cooling-efficiency-and-working-temperature-of-wheezeworts/page/2/#findComment-932719 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risu Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 38 minutes ago, CobraA1 said: Perhaps Abyssalite is a ceramic. Ceramics can be shaped before they are fired into their final form, and have many of the properties of Abyssalite. https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2006-12/uoo-rpi121206.php That was their inspiration for it. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/79649-cooling-efficiency-and-working-temperature-of-wheezeworts/page/2/#findComment-932731 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Flying Fox Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 38 minutes ago, CobraA1 said: Perhaps Abyssalite is a ceramic. Ceramics can be shaped before they are fired into their final form, and have many of the properties of Abyssalite. Yes, but abyssalite is also hardest mineral in the game that's currently spawned with a hardness of 200, in comparison, Granite is just 80 and diamond which you can spawn in using the cell painter, is 250. That doesn't sound terribly malleable to me. That's not to say we shouldn't be able to use it for making stuff. It definitely fills a gameplay role in ONI. I just find it an amusing concept that Dupes can create tiles and pipes with something that's effectively close to diamond in hardness and nearly impossible to change thermally by normal means. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/79649-cooling-efficiency-and-working-temperature-of-wheezeworts/page/2/#findComment-932734 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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