Telltale_Abigail Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 Hi there, I'm looking for feedback from Klei on this one. Recently I've noticed a group of Steam accounts that sign onto dedicated servers together and immediately call votes to regenerate the world followed by votes to kick all the active players on the server. I have noticed that only one of the accounts spawns into the world or uses chat (in which they've made it clear they're only there to grief) while the rest only ever remain in character select. It's pretty apparent that it's a single user with multiple/botted accounts who is abusing the vote system to troll servers. Sitting in server browser, I can see these accounts repeatedly appearing on servers that have fewer than 3 players on them and wiping them. This individual has done this to servers I've been on at least 3 times now in the past 2 weeks, and it gets old fast. I'm hoping Klei and/or Steam can take some action on this. I can provide account details. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/70141-server-troll/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arlesienne Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 Klei does not deal with trolling individuals. Gather your evidence and try reporting them on Steam. But in all honesty, the best thing is to ask some trustworthy admins to let you take a look on their blocklists a la the suggestions here: Just do not post profile links here as it is against the rules of conduct. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/70141-server-troll/#findComment-813721 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Telltale_Abigail Posted September 15, 2016 Author Share Posted September 15, 2016 Seeing as this behavior is being perpetrated on their official servers I would expect them to take responsibility at least in their capacity as the administrators of those servers. To be frank, I primarily play on the Klei official servers and they owe it to the many users who also play on them to manage blacklists to prevent abuse. Also, it's not worth the time out of my day to seek out the various admins of every server. For that level of effort I could set up my own. What's the name of your server? If you've blacklisted the accounts in question I'd gladly play on yours. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/70141-server-troll/#findComment-813739 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arlesienne Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 Sadly the official servers are mostly unmanned. This is why so many griefers gather there. As I have several servers, perhaps checking out the group would be less time-consuming for you? There is a link on my profile in About Me. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/70141-server-troll/#findComment-813744 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brain Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 This just happened to me, same guys. It is a BOT, it will do that 24x7 and ruin THE WHOLE COMMUNITY. I'm so frustrated! How come Klei is SOOOO naive?? Klei PLEASE REMOVE votes altogether or turn t into a moderator-only command. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/70141-server-troll/#findComment-813921 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaussette Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 This just happened to me on the server named Here Piggie Piggie - Klei Official, somebody named "Cloud" with 2 other accounts banned us from the server I saw this "Cloud" once on another server and he did the exact same thing I'm sure that Klei is able to know who exactly did this (since it was an official server etc) and prevent this person to play any other online DST game Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/70141-server-troll/#findComment-814346 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainChaotica Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 Another really dumb question--if they get three votes, they still can't override the server admin...right? ...right? I mean, my servers are only ever running when I'm actually there, so if that's the case, at least _those_ will be safe from this. If not, I can...disconnect and thereby just shut the whole thing down before the reset actually kicks in? (shakes head) OY. ...Notorious Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/70141-server-troll/#findComment-814643 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrCoala Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 I am afraid this is a very serious issue. No comments at all from klei and on the forums you usually get answers like "play with friends only then" or "play on pvp". Don't starve together is a great game on the one side but then again there is that fragile community with a few trolls ruining it for everyone. Let us just hope that this will never lead to a sudden game death Related threads: Official server - vote kick issue http://forums.kleientertainment.com/topic/70013-voting-system/ http://forums.kleientertainment.com/topic/70011-vote-need-to-get-some-limits/ http://forums.kleientertainment.com/topic/69882-ok-so-lets-discuss-voting-system/ http://forums.kleientertainment.com/topic/69431-seriously-vote-for-world-regenerate-destroy-most-of-my-gameplay-experience/ http://forums.kleientertainment.com/topic/69188-kicking-players-with-no-reason/ http://forums.kleientertainment.com/topic/69201-vote-kick-abuse/ http://forums.kleientertainment.com/topic/68864-worse-than-greifers-server-restarts-and-rollbacks/ http://forums.kleientertainment.com/topic/68859-anti-grief-granting-rights-by-votes/ http://forums.kleientertainment.com/topic/70052-suggestion-for-slowing-down-the-new-griefing/ http://forums.kleientertainment.com/topic/69208-add-a-report-function-or-some-moderation/ http://forums.kleientertainment.com/topic/69582-vote-to-regen-world-needs-fixed/ http://forums.kleientertainment.com/topic/69287-get-rid-of-vote-kick-option-in-non-administered-official-servers/ http://forums.kleientertainment.com/topic/69262-suggestions-in-relation-to-griefing-grief-group-voting-and-some-other-general-issues/ http://forums.kleientertainment.com/topic/68900-vote-trolling-reductions/ http://forums.kleientertainment.com/topic/69041-show-who-votes/ http://forums.kleientertainment.com/topic/68918-voting-issues/ and maybe more, i stopped searching. Anyways it IS an issue for the whole community Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/70141-server-troll/#findComment-814702 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tainted-Petals Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 See this right here, the reasons above (and Klei's absolute silence or lack of help) is why I can never fully enjoy DST and end up only playing with one person (my spouse), because I worry about opening up my world to everyone else purely because of griefers and people who do that crap. It's so strange that Klei lets this happen, it's the first time I've ever had to deal with crap like this on a multiplayer server. Guess I'm spoiled by using consoles mostly for multiplayer, where xbox actually does something to people who do this. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/70141-server-troll/#findComment-814735 Share on other sites More sharing options...
t0panka Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 Isn't there simple easy solution for this? EVERY server except Klei servers (i don't even know how many there are but i heard they suck anyways + only 6 people allowed so i don't play there at all) have some ADMIN who can BAN griefers forever right? Is this problem on Klei servers? YES! But anywhere else its on admin of that server to ban griefers which he would do anyway. I would like to hear from Klei what are their thoughts on this too but maybe because only 3-5 servers from 3290472389547310 have this problem because there are no admins. Also i think that ANY game where you can join public server without admins will be full of griefers and no one is doing anything about that anyway because there are those 3954872905731024 servers to play on anyway @Tainted-Petals what does Microsoft doing to people like this? I am seriously interested because Steam never did anything to anyone imo. It is hard to ban or whatever someone because few people told Microsoft that some account is greifing. In DST it could be hard too. There is TONS of situations where some new/beginner players could think that i am griefing but actually doing some strat or something they dont know about. This would lead only to chaos if Klei actually ban some accounts from DST overall. This is job for admins and yeah Klei should add admins to their servers so on their servers this is their fault Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/70141-server-troll/#findComment-814801 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arlesienne Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 21 minutes ago, t0panka said: Isn't there simple easy solution for this? EVERY server except Klei servers (i don't even know how many there are but i heard they suck anyways + only 6 people allowed so i don't play there at all) have some ADMIN who can BAN griefers forever right? Is this problem on Klei servers? YES! But anywhere else its on admin of that server to ban griefers which he would do anyway. I would like to hear from Klei what are their thoughts on this too but maybe because only 3-5 servers from 3290472389547310 have this problem because there are no admins. Also i think that ANY game where you can join public server without admins will be full of griefers and no one is doing anything about that anyway because there are those 3954872905731024 servers to play on anyway @Tainted-Petals what does Microsoft doing to people like this? I am seriously interested because Steam never did anything to anyone imo. It is hard to ban or whatever someone because few people told Microsoft that some account is greifing. In DST it could be hard too. There is TONS of situations where some new/beginner players could think that i am griefing but actually doing some strat or something they dont know about. This would lead only to chaos if Klei actually ban some accounts from DST overall. This is job for admins and yeah Klei should add admins to their servers so on their servers this is their fault For my experiences, any dedicated server running without an admin on gets griefed. Often. Painfully. Quickly. And griefers are drawn to dedis, because hosted servers pretty much require the host to be present. They may get away from the computer for a bit to take care of real life issues you cannot plan - a phone going off, tea getting ready, your dog wishing to tell another not to mark THEIR fence, you name it - but generally, when they host, they intend to play along. So a natural decision for a griefer is to go where they can safely assume there's no admin. Really, it's like a few seconds after entering the lobby to see if there's anyone with admin privileges (the star is visible all the time). Now, my servers are a bit of a difference. See, I edit the slot maximum directly through the LUA to make use of my powerhogs dear, dear PCs. When I first hosted with 16 slots, a few griefers joined (apparently assuming it's a dedi Because Hosted Have Six Slots Max and not checking it twice). But, see, there were ten people playing at the time. Word of the procedure taken immediately (warning-warning-warning-DEATHbyTENTACLES!-kick [we have Drop Stuff on Kick, easier than PushEvent:Death to drop their loot]=BAN) spread quickly and then it was pretty much over. EVERY server gets a griefer from time to time, but just having a mix of active admins and players who appreciate taking action helps a great deal. Heck, @GiddyGuy may remember the session on Getting Giddy when a griefer ran and lit the base on fire... and we laughed so hard at their ineffective attempts to thwart our play (because we rolled back one day and didn't let them spoil our fun) I expect several cases of appendicitis occurred. The community tends to be quite good at remembering, both the good and the bad, and this can be used to decrease trolling. Oh, and regarding the most obvious cases of misunderstandings, it can't hurt to shout "I will be making charcoal and ashes HERE!" in the chat. At least it works for me. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/70141-server-troll/#findComment-814808 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tainted-Petals Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 Microsoft does reputation systems where if your rep gets low or you have enough bad reviews as a bad player, you can get permanently banned from playing online. Period. Your ip gets banned (mind you people go to ridiculous length to fix this, usually by screwing around with their xbox hardware, thereby voiding them). There's more to it than that, I admit but I'm on the phone atm and can't google it up to paste. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/70141-server-troll/#findComment-814999 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tainted-Petals Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 @t0panka Okay, so I'm back on the computer and can link to the websites that might explain it a bit better for Microsoft/Xbox banning system: http://www.xbox.com/en-CA/Legal/CodeOfConduct http://ca.complex.com/pop-culture/2013/05/12-things-that-will-get-you-banned-from-xbox-live/it-was-all-a-misunderstanding Now, some laid out bans are: Abusive language (but that's very vague, as what would constitute 'abusive' language. Basically, this is less about swearing and more about racist/bigoted type stuff.) Spamming other gamers (aka flooding them with msg's) Sexual Harassment (No brainer here) Don't Cheat Don't engage in illicit or illegal activity while on xbox live These are just some of the issues Microsoft will have, and if you behave badly enough (i.e enough people are telling microsoft that you are indeed, a horrible, horrible person, they will ban you. You forfeit all rights to their intellectual property. AKA you lose your gold permanently, you lose multiplayer permanently and any money you have spent on that account that would require use of online etc etc. They have options to deal with things before it resorts to that, and ways to counter it if you feel it was an unwarrented ban. But the truth is I hear very little about people being banned that didn't deserve it. (Also before people point out that it's easier to do this on xbox than it is online, the pc gaming world is a pretty large place. I'm pretty sure that Klei has a plethora of places to choose from to get ideas on how to implement a system that works for them) Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/70141-server-troll/#findComment-815087 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyr0mrcow Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 Pretty common for servers belonging to various other games to do time-based banning. Has the benefit of giving people another chance in the future, once they've had time to change. ...but yea, I'd completely restrict any official full-game bans to cases like the traveling resetters. People abusing what are basically exploits to damage the game's reputation and play-ability, without even playing themselves. Language and burning and whatnot are more server-side decisions (though it'd be nice if Klei added some more vanilla grief counters). They take also do language bans and whatnot, but grief-wise, League of Legends bans people that screw up games for the sake of it, and it seems to work pretty well. I haven't seen many of them over time, especially after getting paired with people who've been playing longer. People screwing up a game because they got mad at someone, sure, but no traveling packs of community ravagers. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/70141-server-troll/#findComment-815124 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarchelox27 Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 On 9/16/2016 at 9:19 AM, Chaussette said: I saw this "Cloud" once on another server and he did the exact same thing He did this 3 time on me.... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/70141-server-troll/#findComment-815161 Share on other sites More sharing options...
t0panka Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 @Tainted-Petals i tell my 20 friends to give you bad rep in span of few weeks or month and Klei will ban you. What will you do? Also that guy doing these resets has several accounts (for iddling of course) can give himself good rep from his other accounts + he has some friends too. This can't work with TINY company like Klei dude just look at it realistically. This problem is not that big as you are making it. Klei wont implement ANY system because of griefer here and there when admins of any other servers can ban him and he is gone. Does voting needs tunning? YES. Does Klei servers need admins? MAYBE. Can you write to any other server admin to ban these people? I think you CAN. FYI some of those Microsoft bans in that article are little bit ridiculous. If Steam worked like this they would have to ban tons of users Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/70141-server-troll/#findComment-815166 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cojz Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 I've have seen pretty many Admins using this mod: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=400409675, though it's underrated. It's an Anti-Griefing client, you can configure many things with this mod. Making torches not possible to light up player-built structures or lose hunger when you destroy a wall. I recommend it for players who struggle with griefers on their servers. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/70141-server-troll/#findComment-815213 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tainted-Petals Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 @t0panka I don't think you understand what I said at all. 20 friends is not going to get a person banned without just cause, and again as I said, bad banning can be overturned and those who abuse the system can in turn be banned. Listen, you can hate Microsoft's system of banning but that doesn't stop it from being a successful system of operation for over 10 years. And as I said before, the online PC gaming system has been in place for what, 20-30 ish years? I am sure there are plenty of online systems that actually have a proper banning system in place that Klei can look off of. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/70141-server-troll/#findComment-815218 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherndy Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 3 hours ago, cojz said: I've have seen pretty many Admins using this mod: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=400409675, though it's underrated. It's an Anti-Griefing client, you can configure many things with this mod. Making torches not possible to light up player-built structures or lose hunger when you destroy a wall. I recommend it for players who struggle with griefers on their servers. Yeah, but that also impedes many actions an actual player would take to survive. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/70141-server-troll/#findComment-815269 Share on other sites More sharing options...
t0panka Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 @Tainted-Petals i understand dude, i don't hate Microsoft system i just don't want it (with this one half of my friends would be banned on steam me included), i told you what you can do to prevent this happening on ANY server except Klei servers - isn't this good system for now? What is wrong with it? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/70141-server-troll/#findComment-815306 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cezarica Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 I'm one of his friends and I don't want to be banned. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/70141-server-troll/#findComment-815311 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tainted-Petals Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 @t0panka I'm not your dude. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/70141-server-troll/#findComment-815316 Share on other sites More sharing options...
t0panka Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 @Tainted-Petals oh so you are one of these guys ... weeell good for you Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/70141-server-troll/#findComment-815322 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Letter W Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 what about if they had to survive x amount of days in the server before they could start votes? while not foolproof i'm sure it would at least slow them down, yeah? edit: it should also be longer than however long it takes to starve to death or whatever. i'm thinking 10~ days, minimum. long enough that they'd actually have to invest time and ghost days don't count, nor do accumulated wilderness days. counter could restart after revival? may also prevent people from regenning the world if they died. i don't actually know if people are that petty but i wouldn't be surprised. downside is you may as a serious player temporarily lose your voting privileges but hey, if you're honest you'll get 'em back no problem. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/70141-server-troll/#findComment-815323 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arlesienne Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 2 hours ago, The Letter W said: what about if they had to survive x amount of days in the server before they could start votes? while not foolproof i'm sure it would at least slow them down, yeah? edit: it should also be longer than however long it takes to starve to death or whatever. i'm thinking 10~ days, minimum. long enough that they'd actually have to invest time and ghost days don't count, nor do accumulated wilderness days. counter could restart after revival? may also prevent people from regenning the world if they died. i don't actually know if people are that petty but i wouldn't be surprised. downside is you may as a serious player temporarily lose your voting privileges but hey, if you're honest you'll get 'em back no problem. I like the concept. About griefing prevention, I used to have chests and fridges locked for the first five days. You could spawn and build those to use them, but other would not open. It was part of a mod called Multiplayer Tweaks or something similar (can't remember now), making things built by others or even replanted (so making charcoal and ash on trees sufficiently away from structures worked) fireproof and safe from hammering during this time too. Except I dropped it fairly quickly when: - I just couldn't be bothered to give every spawning person some basics to explore a bit before getting their own (just enough stuff for a logsuit, spear, axe, pickaxe, backpack and two campfires) - there was an issue with the scoreboard and instead of despawning Citizen X, I went back... and had to stay away from all chests, living my check period out I now stick to Drop Stuff on Kick and vanilla commands. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/70141-server-troll/#findComment-815341 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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