Honey is OP

[GangStarrWoWp]

Honey is the most important resource in the game IMO and considering how easy it is to gather I'd say it is quite overpowered. Once you set up like 6 Bee Boxes (which is extremely easy to do) you basically win the game, set up your base next to a large Swamp biome and it's even better. Taffy is very easy to make and has a long spoiling time while giving +25 Hunger and +15 Sanity, Collect some Reeds at the swamp for Papyrus and you have easy Honey Poultice which is +30 Health and no spoiling time. Considering how fast the Bee Boxes produce honey you basically can't ever run out of it, negating the whole "Don't Starve" aspect of the game. Additionally in DST now that Booster Shots no longer require Papyrus to craft that makes access to Honey Poultice even easier. I think there should be some sort of re-balancing with Honey, what do you guys think?

[PhelsarusBeel]

Not really tbh.

Don't Starve has always been a game where you play as you like so if you like to rely on honey that much sure go ahead and do so nobody is stopping you from doing so.

Although i like to add some things for one Honey Pultrice might heal for 30 HP however they also have the use animation so they are pretty much unusable in any combat situation meaning you should rely on other types of healing. Even then i never bother making the Honey Pultrice because there are just far better options like Fishsticks easier to make, less risk involved and heals 10 HP more while also giving Hunger and Sanity.

Taffy also isn't really that good when you look at it from a different light. Sure it's 15 sanity and a bit of hunger but also for -3 HP and no matter who you'r playing you will never use Taffy to just heal up your sanity because it will reduce your HP by a good amount. And also because you never will have that much Honey stored up just to make 10 taffy to heal Sanity up it's more of a clutch Sanity healer when you have no other option.

TBH i never use Honey that much because there are just more convenient options at max i use it to make Honey Nuggets or Honey Ham every now and then but the most valuable ressource of the Beebox are acutally the Bees because it's a lot more convenient to catch Bees for Beemines from beeboxes rather then hives.

Also Starving was never a problem if you know what you'r doing you should never starve.

[LadyD]

I find that the fact that the bees never really stop trying to kill you normally balances that out for me. I mean sure you can survive that way by camping out with bees but then in winter there is no honey. So there is that aspect of it. Also you need to make sure there are enough flowers around, which you can do by planting them but then you need to catch butterflies and the cycles go on and on and before you know it you can't be bothered why honey anymore because there is a cave to explore and why the hell not? 

There are lots of ways to live almost endlessly in DS if you don't want to take risks but most of us get bored and end up going on perilous adventures. So generally I find honey rather nicely balanced because its a food you have to be around to gather. 

[GangStarrWoWp]

2 hours ago, LadyD said:

 in winter there is no honey.

Bees produce honey in the winter if you are far away enough. Best way to take advantage of this is set up your base next to a wormhole that teleports you to the other side of the map, and set your bee boxes there. this way you can hop into the wormhole anytime you want to gather the honey and the honey is produced throughout winter as well by default. It's just too easy

[Gingerbread]

well most resources are op if you know the detail.. If you don't know them all everything is hard. Same for butterfly farming (in DS-automatic butterfly farm). Birdcage is OP. Constant, never spoiling egg, cooked cacti is OP, jerky stats are OP, now coffee is OP, new recipes for RoG is OP. DS is an easy game once you learn, trail mix is OP, fruit medley is OP...... this is OP,,, that is OP... beep.

[PhelsarusBeel]

22 minutes ago, Gingerbread said:

well most resources are op if you know the detail.. If you don't know them all everything is hard. Same for butterfly farming (in DS-automatic butterfly farm). Birdcage is OP. Constant, never spoiling egg, cooked cacti is OP, jerky stats are OP, now coffee is OP, new recipes for RoG is OP. DS is an easy game once you learn, trail mix is OP, fruit medley is OP...... this is OP,,, that is OP... beep.

It's not really that everything is OP it's more that once you learn to exploit a specific ressource to its fullest potential then it just feels like it's to OP. The thing is to learn what is powerfull and what not you need experience and this is what i love about Don't Starve. When you start out as a Noob you know nothing about the game no idea what is viable and what not and only through dying a couple of times and learning from istakes you gather what is usefull and what not.

 

I mean heck i though stuffed Eggplant was good until i looked a bit more closely on the statgain and the same can be said about a lot of things. That being said this also can give newcommers the impression that specific ressources are just to powerfull even if they aren't so there is always that thin line of experience that really determines what is OP and what not.

[emerphish]

This is really just people ascending the learning curve in an unsatisfying way, so they go up the yearning curve of wanting to make DS hard again. But this a game about knowledge, and knowledge is power. Such is life.

[hyiltiz]

i am op

[Kuirem]

Honey is strong but not only for the reason you mentioned :

1. That's a resource that has literally 0 upkeep. Click on a Beebox and enjoy your Honey, if you harvest during Winter you do not even have to worry about Bees attacks.
2. It produce Honey really fast. Up to 6 Honey per day and 2 Honey per day minimum.
3. It is really fast to gather as well, it just take the time of a normal "gathering animation" for each Bee Box contrary to farming Spiders/Pigs or even Farms since you have to replant. Those 3 points make Honey one of the best food source.
4. Raw Honey is so powerful. If you gather your Bee Box every 3 days, even at the minimum rate of 2 per day, you only need 4 Bee Box to fill your Hunger and on top of that you get some nice Health heal. If you make them into Honey Ham, one Bee Box is enough!
5. Between all the Hunger, Health and Sanity recipes honey is the most versatile resource, you need nothing else to fill your three meters. There is not a single other food source that can do that with the same efficiency.
6. Honey Ham is amongst the best Hunger recipe in the game, close behind the Bacon and Eggs. It also double as a Healing powerful healing food.
7. Honey Nuggets is a bit weak, it is only good to restore a bit more health than consuming the Honey raw, unless you use the Ice recipe (Monster Meat + Honey + Ice + Ice) then it becomes really efficient but that's because Ice is OP.
8. Taffy is an excellent Sanity filler. It should not be use as your main Sanity restoration, that's what dapper clothes are for (Tam o' Shanter!). But when you need to restore a big chunk of Sanity quickly they are here and if you already have Honey stockpilled for Hunger you do not need any extra effort than throwing them into your crockpots. The health lost do not count as it is easily restored by raw Honey, Honey Poultice, Honey Ham or Honey Nuggets.
9. Honey Poultice is the best non-spoilable health restoring item in the game. You can just turn your spoiled Honey into Honey Poultice to use in an emergency.

So here is my point, Honey is strong, probably strong enough to be considered OP but it also take time to set up all these Bee Boxes so I really do not think it needs a nerf. If anything I would rather see a boost for Farms that are supposed to be kind of like Bee Boxes (i.e. a food source that can provide Health, Hunger and Sanity) but they produce so slowly and take too much upkeep.

[KitcheVadimas]

36 minutes ago, Kuirem said:

If anything I would rather see a boost for Farms that are supposed to be kind of like Bee Boxes (i.e. a food source that can provide Health, Hunger and Sanity) but they produce so slowly and take too much upkeep.

Same here, it would be great if more plant-based recipes could compare to meat recipes.  Dragonpie is really the only great vegetarian recipe, while meats have bacon and eggs, honey ham, meaty stew, and perogi as recipes of note. Meatballs is a really cheap recipe for what it is, with ratatouille as the only thing comparably cheap with vegetables, and that recipe is notably terrible.

[Kuirem]

5 hours ago, KitcheVadimas said:

Same here, it would be great if more plant-based recipes could compare to meat recipes.  Dragonpie is really the only great vegetarian recipe, while meats have bacon and eggs, honey ham, meaty stew, and perogi as recipes of note. Meatballs is a really cheap recipe for what it is, with ratatouille as the only thing comparably cheap with vegetables, and that recipe is notably terrible.

It's not just that since there is actually some pretty good veggies (raw Pumpkin restore 37.5 Hunger! Same for stuffed Eggplant which could be compared to a cheaper Meatballs), it takes too long to harvest and plant again and again, I really think Farms should be completely overhauled.

Veggies could be replanted automaticly and you would trade one fruit for one specialised seed for instance or they could give more than one fruit per harvest. I even had the idea of making veggies growing depending on seasons so you do not need to rely on Birdcage as badly (I made it into a mod but never took the time to finish it properly).

It's also ridiculous how useless are Basic Farms, Klei should do something about them, maybe make it so they give only access to "weaker" veggies?

Whatever right now Farms are just too bad and not only from the lack of recipes but also the hassle of using them.

[Meneervis]

12 hours ago, Kuirem said:

You can just turn your spoiled Honey into Honey Poultice to use in an emergen

My question is, who has spoiled honey?

[soggynachos]

3 hours ago, sirscrubbingtont said:

My question is, who has spoiled honey?

Anyone obsessed enough to survive for thousands of days.

*quietly raises hand*

Honey is insane though, if you have 70-80 beeboxes (which is possible.) you could almost just live off of honey for a whole year from one mass harvest.

[Kuirem]

15 hours ago, SoggyNachos said:

Anyone obsessed enough to survive for thousands of days.

*quietly raises hand*

Honey is insane though, if you have 70-80 beeboxes (which is possible.) you could almost just live off of honey for a whole year from one mass harvest.

You don't even need that much, 54 Bee Box are the maximum useful (assuming you only use raw honey) and you need to harvest every 40 days. The calcul is simple, you need 8 Honey per day (75 Hunger), each Bee Box produce 6 per harvest and Honey stay fresh for 40 days (in an Icebox) so 8x40/6 = 53.33 Bee Box.

If you don't mind eating your honey Stale you can gather enough for up to 64 days. You need 12 Stale Honey per day so the extra Bee Box for those 24 days are : 8*24/6 = 32 Bee Box.

An easier Goal is 25 Bee Box (often doable in a single world) which will allow you to survive on raw Honey with an harvest roughly at the end of each season (so 4 per year).

EDIT : If some are interested I made a similar calcul on other food sources (Honey Ham, Bacon and Eggs, Dragonpie, Meatballs, Meaty Stew and Jerky) in this reddit post. It includes how much structures you need if you harvest "daily" (as soon as the food is available, so 3 days for Bee Box, 2.5 for farms..) and in one harvest for enough food to make it spoil.

[soggynachos]

35 minutes ago, Kuirem said:

You don't even need that much, 54 Bee Box are the maximum useful (assuming you only use raw honey) and you need to harvest every 40 days. The calcul is simple, you need 8 Honey per day (75 Hunger), each Bee Box produce 6 per harvest and Honey stay fresh for 40 days (in an Icebox) so 8x40/6 = 53.33 Bee Box.

If you don't mind eating your honey Stale you can gather enough for up to 64 days. You need 12 Stale Honey per day so the extra Bee Box for those 24 days are : 8*24/6 = 32 Bee Box.

An easier Goal is 25 Bee Box (often doable in a single world) which will allow you to survive on raw Honey with an harvest roughly at the end of each season (so 4 per year).

EDIT : If some are interested I made a similar calcul on other food sources (Honey Ham, Bacon and Eggs, Dragonpie, Meatballs, Meaty Stew and Jerky) in this reddit post. It includes how much structures you need if you harvest "daily" (as soon as the food is available, so 3 days for Bee Box, 2.5 for farms..) and in one harvest for enough food to make it spoil.

I wish I could math like Kuriem FeelsBadMan

[Tamazacat]

I have 7 bee boxes in my game and I have almost a whole fridge full of honey. It's very OP but after a while, the focus of Don't Starve, ironically, shifts to luxuries.

Also, @SoggyNachos, your profile picture is awesomely disturbing. Never thought of Wes as... umm... "that" before, lol!

[HeilerderWelten]

On 9.3.2016 at 9:15 PM, Mr.P said:

TBH i never use Honey that much because there are just more convenient options at max i use it to make Honey Nuggets or Honey Ham every now and then but the most valuable ressource of the Beebox are acutally the Bees because it's a lot more convenient to catch Bees for Beemines from beeboxes rather then hives.

Also Starving was never a problem if you know what you'r doing you should never starve.

I never have build a single Bee Mine, not in over 1000 hours.

Are they that good?

What happens with the released bees?

And why does Nicholas Cage hate them so much?

On 11.3.2016 at 6:07 AM, GangStarrWoWp said:

Bees produce honey in the winter if you are far away enough. Best way to take advantage of this is set up your base next to a wormhole that teleports you to the other side of the map, and set your bee boxes there. this way you can hop into the wormhole anytime you want to gather the honey and the honey is produced throughout winter as well by default. It's just too easy

That really should be fixed, thanks for the info.

Does that work in DST too?

[PhelsarusBeel]

Just now, HeilerderWelten said:

I never have build a single Bee Mine, not in over 1000 hours.

Are they that good?

What happens with the released bees?

And why does Nicholas Cage hate them so much?

They are okay the best use is really distraction as Hounds will instantly aggro on the Bees so you can make an escape route with them if Hounds survive your Toothtrap fields.

Also they are much easier to make early on compared to Toothtraps because you don't need the Hounds Teeth to make them and with my rotten luck recently they are also the only option you have when Hounds don't want to play Nice with you (seriously 10 dead Hounds and not a Single Tooth only sodding Meat i already have enought of).

And the Released Bees basicly work like Stray bees after the enemys are slain so they wander around and pollenate Flowers what spreads them. It's quite the effective tactic to litter some Beemines near Evil Flowers let them blow up and then let the stray bees make you more Evil flowers so you can safely farm up some Nightmarefuel without having to engage with the Shadowy Horrors.

As for that last point well he said that he was allergic to them. Also i guess you would scream just as much when someone would pour a bucket of Bees on your head and they start to sting you.

[HeilerderWelten]

On 11.3.2016 at 8:22 PM, Mr.P said:

It's not really that everything is OP it's more that once you learn to exploit a specific ressource to its fullest potential then it just feels like it's to OP. The thing is to learn what is powerfull and what not you need experience and this is what i love about Don't Starve. When you start out as a Noob you know nothing about the game no idea what is viable and what not and only through dying a couple of times and learning from istakes you gather what is usefull and what not.

 

I mean heck i though stuffed Eggplant was good until i looked a bit more closely on the statgain and the same can be said about a lot of things. That being said this also can give newcommers the impression that specific ressources are just to powerfull even if they aren't so there is always that thin line of experience that really determines what is OP and what not.

It is a shame that stuffed Eggplant is so bad and Meatballs are so good,

but there is so much to balance in DS, DST and SW, the developers can't see everything I guess, but maybe in the future.

Just now, Mr.P said:

And the Released Bees basicly work like Stray bees after the enemys are slain so they wander around and pollenate Flowers what spreads them.

That is quiet nice!

I will try them out then...and I should probably watch Face/Off now ^__^

[Maslak]

This is how I spend all summers:

50% of the time I'm running and harvesting bee boxes in my underground grassland (really beauty, fireflies, flowers, trees and stuff)
20% I'm afk
30% of the time I'm doing other stuff and thinking - "maybe I should try spending summer on surface?"

It's something like 70 bee boxes. World jumping? Nope, just found ****loads of hives, including killer bee hives. When I'm in the middle of harvesting, first bee boxes are full again. This is madness.

I was there during spring, it was my biggest mistake. Army of rock lobsters where fighting hordes of bees, and I died. Respawned via Effigy + some weird time shift happened.