Willow's Theme: Pyromaniac or Pyromancer

[Jussatoon]

With WX-78 being a second example of a character receiving a thematic rework to one of their abilities, the first one being Wendy, it makes me wonder: when Klei eventually revisits Willow's skilltree, will they also rework her fire-based ability into something more thematically fitting if enough people make noise about it?

Personally, although she's fun to play, I'm not much of a fan of how they went about doing so. I would've preferred if she crafted and used items like matches and molotovs, and was more efficient/had more interactions with existing fire-based items. Since you'd need to craft the necessary items for the abilities instead of one resource, they could afford to be base-kit while the skilltree enhances them further.

But that's a topic for another day. For now, feel free to discuss below. 

[RubLog6]

While i think it's really whacky Willow became a firebender, I honestly wouldnt know how to improve or give to Willow.

Controlled burning, cooking and refueling with embers are REALLY nice though.

Other than that when I play Willow I dont really go out of my way to farm embers. I think it takes the fun away from fighting if I can just lunar shadow flame bosses to death. I played her recently, a friend farmed a lot of embers and passed me some... I could so easily farm inkblights with lunar flames. You can pretty much do any boss with a crap ton of embers.

[Frashaw27]

Part of the issue with an arsonist is that without magic you can only make fire interesting in some many ways. I think if they were to relook at her, an even compromise would be to have an ember disappear after like 1~2 minutes but give more solid options like a ball of snurtle slime.

[Wawchik]

1 hour ago, Jussatoon said:

I would've preferred if she crafted and used items like matches and molotovs, and was more efficient/had more interactions with existing fire-based items. 

Would that really be interesting though? Other than lore reasons is there any other argument as for why she'd be better if she could set things on fire in 50 different ways instead of being a fire mage with a strong tank. 

Edited May 11 by Wawchik

[Ridley]

1 hour ago, Jussatoon said:

I would've preferred if she crafted and used items like matches and molotovs, and was more efficient/had more interactions with existing fire-based items. 

I don't particularly care if Willow is a pyromancer or not, though always thought it was weird to me that it snuck up on people. My understanding is that she takes inspiration from Stephen King's "Firestarter" since her introduction to DS. 

Anyway, the problem I think with having a fire character with no magic powers is finding something they can do that is fun and new. Torches and fire staffs already work as matches and I don't see molotovs dethroning fire staves for ranged igniting. Something like a fire throwing trap has to be moved away from the base and probably is overkill for whatever your fighting.

You could give Willow homemade flamethrowers or napalm, but now she is an engineer/chemist. I really don't see how you can make a hapless street urchin into a fun firestarter in this game without using magic in a world literally flooded with magic.

[ZeRoboButler]

How exactly is willow not a pyromancer at this point, she literally blew up her orphanage in the cinematic, has a unhealthy relationship with fire and is immune to being burned (briefly wasn't completely immune for a bit for some reason).

Not to mention the other weird stuff going on with willow, we don't even know who willow is working with or for officially, there was the doll in wickers hidden library and we have a reoccurring theme of dolls at this point. Even more so with elsewhere now is this relevant with all the porcelain enemies.

Fire has always been lack luster in Don't starve, the main thing it has going for it is the panic mechanic, against most bosses fire damage actually is reduced greatly so under normal circumstances a player will avoid fire based items all together, especially since it can just ruin drops. It's cool that willow has control over this stuff and it is immensely fun to play with but in terms of changing basically all her skills to fit in with a slightly different design... after Wx, it feels like a monkey's paw, on one hand you will get some stuff that is cool, but other things will take a hit because of it.

I love Wx, I think Willow is really fun too, but I am worried for other characters where some of their skills take a supreme back seat in comparison to others. Some of this is conceptually unavoidable, since the dev's need to pick the highest thing on the priority and tackle that first, like making Wx's clones function. which, if I am honest, I blame that skill whole heartedly for the delay, less time focused on the shadow side and other issues.

It was a neat idea but seemed like a nightmare to make work.

[Mike23Ua]

I will explain this in the most simple of ways, rewatch Wolfgang’s animated short, his feats of great strength were a falsified gimmick using tricks, until William (Maxwell) ends up under a train car dying, it’s then (through the power of the Codex Umbra) that Maxwell grants Wolfgang ACTUAL Super Human feats of Strength to dead lift the Train Car with ease Wolfgang then ends up in the Constant where through the power of Magic, he actually gets to have Super Strength.

Willow would be no different, she’s in a Wacky Magical World where her freaking Teddy Bear Animates to life becoming 10 times its Size. Having Fire Mage powers makes sense…..

Chugging on a bottle of alcohol then spitting it out using her lighter to create a flamethrower like effect is well for one thing: Klei would have to add Use of Drugs and Alcohol to the games ESRB rating System… and is far less “Kid Friendly” then Magical Fire Powers.

[Mysterious box]

10 minutes ago, ZeRoboButler said:

How exactly is willow not a pyromancer at this point, she literally blew up her orphanage in the cinematic, has a unhealthy relationship with fire and is immune to being burned (briefly wasn't completely immune for a bit for some reason).

As mentioned a fair bit previously she blew up the orphanage from a supply closet that was likely filled with chemicals. Yes she survived but there's a supernatural element to her separated from fire in Bernie it can endure flames but it isn't inherently fire related.

Before her skill tree her relationship with fire was always represented as a pyromanic and not a pyromancer both in shorts and in game via quotes she is obessed with fire but her being able to shoot fire from her fingertips will always be a shark jumping moment.

 

2 hours ago, Frashaw27 said:

Part of the issue with an arsonist is that without magic you can only make fire interesting in some many ways. I think if they were to relook at her, an even compromise would be to have an ember disappear after like 1~2 minutes but give more solid options like a ball of snurtle slime.

This isn't really true and honestly even with her being a fire bender they didn't really do anything that an arsonist couldn't. Make a spray with her lighter and now you got lunar flames. Throw put something flammable in bottles now you got shadow flames. Lighting Bernie on fire doesn't even require magic. Rather than Willow increasing her damage dealt to enemies on fire she could light her weapon on fire and that's just replicating existing skills. She could get a skill to spread flammable liquid on the ground which she could light with her lighter to make a damaging area perhaps even giving a function to pour some on enemies to cause even more damage. These are just a few ideas but there are endless ideas you could do with a pyromanaic in a survival setting they don't even need to be fully combat based.

[Cheggf]

3 hours ago, Frashaw27 said:

Part of the issue with an arsonist is that without magic you can only make fire interesting in some many ways. I think if they were to relook at her, an even compromise would be to have an ember disappear after like 1~2 minutes but give more solid options like a ball of snurtle slime.

Literally all of her abilities could be the same but she does something instead of fire just coming out of her hands. Set fire to an area... By throwing something. Send a cone of fire out... By spraying something. Leave a long lasting fire... By burning something.

Her kit wouldn't even need to change. 

[YouKnowWho142]

And how does her bear transforming into a giant monster not come off as magical?

A lot of characters gained their abilities through magic. Look at Wolfgang or Wendy or Wickerbottom, characters who aren't inherently magical but are intrinsically tied to it as the source of their power. I think Willow gaining abilities to handle fire alongside Bernie's transformation is believable.

The only thing I really don't like is ethereal embers, I think they should be completely reworked since a replacement for souls is not very interesting. If giving her a pyromaniac focus instead of a pyromancer focus addressed this specifically I'd be slightly more open to the idea, but I'm fine with it as it is now and all changing it will do will cause a massive divide since I'm pretty sure most casual players and players outside of the forums love how Willow works now, and we have already seen what happened with WX when they tried to make thematic changes.

If there's anything I'd like to see, I'd love to see shadow and lunar fire replace the normal fire on her lighter. I think it'd be really interesting for lunar or shadow fire to have their own unique properties rather than just being spells.

[Nikki Darks]

1 hour ago, YouKnowWho142 said:

If there's anything I'd like to see, I'd love to see shadow and lunar fire replace the normal fire on her lighter. I think it'd be really interesting for lunar or shadow fire to have their own unique properties rather than just being spells.

I always wondered why her fireball didn't change based on alignment.

If not a shadowy fireball, why not a cold fireball if you pick the Lunar alignment?

[Cheggf]

10 hours ago, YouKnowWho142 said:

And how does her bear transforming into a giant monster not come off as magical?

A lot of characters gained their abilities through magic. Look at Wolfgang or Wendy or Wickerbottom, characters who aren't inherently magical but are intrinsically tied to it as the source of their power. I think Willow gaining abilities to handle fire alongside Bernie's transformation is believable.

The reason nobody has ever complained about Bernie (who was added in DST) is because it isn't this random huge divergence from her character. She was still the pyromaniac character when they added Bernie, Bernie was just a toy with magical powers. The toy is the thing with magical powers. Not Willow. Your comparison would be like saying that Wolfgang has always "been magical" since the Constant has enhanced his strength, so since he's "already magical" instead of punching people and swinging swords he should have Lunar Fire Raiser but he's sending out a stream of fists instead of fire, he should have Shadow Fire-Raiser but it's fists coming out of the floor, he should have Spontaneous Combustion but it's calling down a rain of dumbbells from the sky, and he should be able to call forth a dumbbell so bright and hot that it emits light and you can cook on it.

That's not Wolfgang. That's Willow. Wolfgang "being magic" does not mean he should turn into a reskin of Willow just because "he's already magic". He isn't magic. He probably doesn't even know he's magic. He's just really strong, because in The Constant he's really strong. 

10 hours ago, YouKnowWho142 said:

The only thing I really don't like is ethereal embers, I think they should be completely reworked since a replacement for souls is not very interesting.

This is half the reason people don't like that she's a wizard. She was never a wizard and now she's like the 5th wizard. She feels so similar to other characters now because she's just ripping them off. 

[Mysterious box]

13 hours ago, YouKnowWho142 said:

And how does her bear transforming into a giant monster not come off as magical?

A lot of characters gained their abilities through magic. Look at Wolfgang or Wendy or Wickerbottom, characters who aren't inherently magical but are intrinsically tied to it as the source of their power. I think Willow gaining abilities to handle fire alongside Bernie's transformation is believable.

The only thing I really don't like is ethereal embers, I think they should be completely reworked since a replacement for souls is not very interesting. If giving her a pyromaniac focus instead of a pyromancer focus addressed this specifically I'd be slightly more open to the idea, but I'm fine with it as it is now and all changing it will do will cause a massive divide since I'm pretty sure most casual players and players outside of the forums love how Willow works now, and we have already seen what happened with WX when they tried to make thematic changes.

If there's anything I'd like to see, I'd love to see shadow and lunar fire replace the normal fire on her lighter. I think it'd be really interesting for lunar or shadow fire to have their own unique properties rather than just being spells.

Bernie is a entity not Willow's power this is shown by the fact she doesn't even need to be around or alive to act this would be like saying Walter has magic because Woby exists or Winona due to Charlie helping her.

Wendy doesn't have magic herself. She uses rituals to summon Abigial and ingredients given to her by pipspooks to make special potions. That is to say she uses mystical nature of the constant's magic to do what she does it's not coming from her body it's coming from her knowledge of the supernatural and research she did.

Wickerbottom is using books in the same way one would use a fire staff she's not the magical element she's just harnessing it.

Wolfgang does seem to be enhanced by magic though at least that's what his short seems to imply.

[GamePlayer42]

i like how willow functions and plays and i wouldnt change it because of how unique it feels atleast to me, however i can see that pre-skill tree willow and post skilltree willow are entirely different characters

[aidancode]

I like current Willow, and think she's among the best characters in terms of not really needing updates any time soon. I think they found a balance that's mostly pretty good and should focus on other characters instead from now on.

[Waywarbler]

I could see Willow receiving some kind of thematic mini-rework like WX did for their shadow alignment, although I don't know if enough people are bothered by it to warrant it.

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On 5/11/2026 at 5:02 PM, Cheggf said:

Literally all of her abilities could be the same but she does something instead of fire just coming out of her hands. Set fire to an area... By throwing something. Send a cone of fire out... By spraying something. Leave a long lasting fire... By burning something.

Her kit wouldn't even need to change. 

Maybe it would be like WX's shadow alignment update where all those abilities become things you need to craft, or have some kind of resource cost. Lunar flamethrower? Make a moon lighter. Combustion? Spray burning slurtle slime(?) onto enemies around you, etc.

[PunkShark]

Willow has a history of making unnatural fires that many would deem supernatural. As well as her old downside in DS causing fires out of nowhere.
it's been hinted at that she's got pyro-kinetic abilities. Not to mention her entire character is inspired by Stephen King's book The Firestarter. Which her title also shares the same name which has a girl who gets fire-kinetic abilities. I think Willow was always destined to be more supernatural in nature. 

 

[Nikki Darks]

1 hour ago, PunkShark said:

Willow has a history of making unnatural fires that many would deem supernatural. As well as her old downside in DS causing fires out of nowhere.
it's been hinted at that she's got pyro-kinetic abilities. Not to mention her entire character is inspired by Stephen King's book The Firestarter. Which her title also shares the same name which has a girl who gets fire-kinetic abilities. I think Willow was always destined to be more supernatural in nature. 

 

I never knew the Stephen King part, that's some cool trivia!

[Jakepeng99]

They probably wont rework it, i dont expect any skilltree reworks to be that huge. 

Maybe they looked at this in Elsewhere.

[Jussatoon]

2 hours ago, Jakepeng99 said:

They probably wont rework it, i dont expect any skilltree reworks to be that huge. 

Maybe they looked at this in Elsewhere.

True, though it's also possible that skilltrees aren't present there in the first place. 

I can't help but think about Elsewhere more as the days go by, to be honest. 

[Naifxoxo]

my only issue with willow is they js spammed more abilities without making her synergies well with items like fire staff , and the firey armor from dfly , the armor sucks af , it couldhv been way better if they made willow does something with it , and funrace as well , the lavae pets , theres so much potential to make them better with willow and actually worth using , have u ever seen someone use the lavae pet ? no ,

[Nikki Darks]

7 hours ago, Naifxoxo said:

my only issue with willow is they js spammed more abilities without making her synergies well with items like fire staff , and the firey armor from dfly , the armor sucks af , it couldhv been way better if they made willow does something with it , and funrace as well , the lavae pets , theres so much potential to make them better with willow and actually worth using , have u ever seen someone use the lavae pet ? no ,

Well, they kinda made fire staff better on her. If Willow uses it they will have her special fire applied to them, the one that lasts longer and does more damage.

[Naifxoxo]

4 hours ago, Nikki Darks said:

Well, they kinda made fire staff better on her. If Willow uses it they will have her special fire applied to them, the one that lasts longer and does more damage.

or u could use the spel costs 1 ember or just use lighter , the fire staff *change* u talking abt is a joke that changes nothing, 

[Nikki Darks]

2 minutes ago, Naifxoxo said:

or u could use the spel costs 1 ember or just use lighter , the fire staff *change* u talking abt is a joke that changes nothing, 

I didn't say it was all that good, did I? I just said it's better on Willow which is true.

[Naifxoxo]

4 minutes ago, Nikki Darks said:

I didn't say it was all that good, did I? I just said it's better on Willow which is true.

still a worthless item no matter what , no matter if its -100 or -99