Who should be able to eat nightberries?

[WhackE]

9 minutes ago, 00petar00 said:

Everyone should be able to eat it because it is another thing to do in late game and it would be bad If some characters can't eat it and miss out. Imagine how it would feel for Wigfrid and Warly mains that can only use gem tree and would they even want to gather them If so many of the trees will be nightberry? If jellybeans is a goodie, why shouldn't nightberry be?

Imagine how crazy it would be if downsides actually came into play and mattered more often. "But it's late game content," it's not like Wigfrid Or Warly has multiple other ways to produce light for theirselfs, JoeW forbid one thing be inedible for them because that's what their downside implies.

[00petar00]

40 minutes ago, WhackE said:

Imagine how crazy it would be if downsides actually came into play and mattered more often. "But it's late game content," it's not like Wigfrid Or Warly has multiple other ways to produce light for theirselfs, JoeW forbid one thing be inedible for them because that's what their downside implies.

I don't care for downsides one bit and would dislike them more If they made me play DST less which would happen If Wigfrid or Warly were my mains and I couldn't eat nightberry. I need more late game tasks and benefits not less.

[SilverSpoon]

I think Wally needs nightberrie dish. The current Wally needs love...

On 6/17/2024 at 4:39 PM, kroban said:

On the other hand I think that for Warly it should count as small berry for the glow berry mousse.

This is the closest to my think.

As for Wigfrid, she is already a very strong character, so I don't think there's any need to bent her weakness of only being able to eat meat in order to be able to eat nightberries.

2 hours ago, 00petar00 said:

because it is another thing to do in late game and it would be bad If some characters can't eat it and miss out. Imagine how it would feel for Wigfrid and Warly mains that can only use gem tree and would they even want to gather them If so many of the trees will be nightberry?

However, I can fully agree with this opinion too. Therefore my suggestion is "if you equip an Eye Mask that you've fed nightberries to, you'll gain night vision." This would allow some night berry benefit while maintaining Wigfrid's existing weakness.

[WhackE]

2 hours ago, 00petar00 said:

I don't care for downsides one bit and would dislike them more If they made me play DST less which would happen If Wigfrid or Warly were my mains and I couldn't eat nightberry. I need more late game tasks and benefits not less.

2 characters out of a cast 18 total cant eat this one late game food option because they shouldn't be able to.

Game is literally unplayable.

[grm9]

23 minutes ago, WhackE said:

2 characters out of a cast 18 total cant eat this one late game food option because they shouldn't be able to.

Game is literally unplayable

got to add even more reasons to not play as warly or interact with ocean

[WhackE]

4 minutes ago, grm9 said:

got to add even more reasons to not play as warly or interact with ocean

you're exaggerating for comedic effect. Right?

two specific characters not being able to fully utilize content doesn't make it worthless. There's also that other gem tree that everyone can still use.

[grm9]

2 hours ago, WhackE said:

you're exaggerating for comedic effect. Right?

two specific characters not being able to fully utilize content doesn't make it worthless. There's also that other gem tree that everyone can still use

i meant that it's worthless when playing as those characters and making warly unable to use it is pointless considering that there're already almost no reasons to play as him during late game

[GreenBowers]

Downsides should matter. I dont care if it limits what characters can do.

[00petar00]

2 hours ago, WhackE said:

2 characters out of a cast 18 total cant eat this one late game food option because they shouldn't be able to.

Game is literally unplayable.

It makes the game worse for the mains of these 2 characters and it doesn't matter how many characters there are for this discussion.

[GreenBowers]

24 minutes ago, 00petar00 said:

It makes the game worse for the mains of these 2 characters and it doesn't matter how many characters there are for this discussion.

Okay?? This is like adding a non-essential meat item then coming up with some obtuse reason for wurt to eat it.

[Szczuku]

49 minutes ago, 00petar00 said:

It makes the game worse for the mains of these 2 characters and it doesn't matter how many characters there are for this discussion.

I'm sorry but why are you even part of this discussion if you say things like

6 hours ago, 00petar00 said:

I don't care for downsides one bit

Like.... that is the entire point of this thread - to discuss downsides. Cool, you don't like downsides, we don't need to hear from you then, we already know your stance on things

Yeah it matters for this discussion how many characters there are, what are you on about? I don't see you arguing over Wickerbottom not being able to sleep under the winter's feast trees in order to receive gifts. Or complaining about Wurt not being able to participate with the pig king. Or Wortox with the follower mechanics. Why are you so passionate about a mid-at-best food item??

Downsides should've never been compromised just to please the players. Wormwood and Wigfrid should have never been able to heal from/eat Jellybeans - the main drop from bee queen. And I'm saying that as a Wormwood main who heals most with jellybeans, I want that to be taken away. So, obviously, Wigfrid and Warly shouldn't be able to eat the nightberry, they have downsides for a reason

Downsides exist to affect the gameplay, not to be something that you just solve

[Faintly Macabre]

28 minutes ago, Szczuku said:

I'm sorry but why are you even part of this discussion if you say things like

Like.... that is the entire point of this thread - to discuss downsides. Cool, you don't like downsides, we don't need to hear from you then, we already know your stance on things

The point of the thread is to tell people who you think should be able to eat nightberries. If known biases are a disqualifier from giving input then I look forward to not seeing you chime in on most any topic where people want... like, most things?

As someone who's been playing Warly a good bit lately I'm not personally bothered by not being able to use them, but if people want him and/or Wigfrid to be able to benefit from them I think that's fine because they'll have basically the same impact that everybody being able to use jellybeans did: virtually none. Like jellybeans, nightberries are for the most part just convenient and novel. They're not really game-changing and they're enough trouble to obtain that your mastery of the character's downsides has long trivialized them.

[WhackE]

6 hours ago, grm9 said:

i meant that it's worthless when playing as those characters and making warly unable to use it is pointless considering that there're already almost no reasons to play as him during late game

I realised something, that's less of an issue with the content itself and more of an issue with the character then, Because adding it so Warly can eat them wont suddenly make him better to play late game.

additional content shouldn't try to fill out what a character is missing, no amount of things you will add can fix that unless you make the base character worth playing later into the game because you can just swap to someone more worth playing, Which is more of an issue with the Celestial portal. But that's a whole nother can O'worms.

[grm9]

6 minutes ago, WhackE said:

additional content shouldn't try to fill out what a character is missing.

it better at least not make it worse

6 minutes ago, WhackE said:

Which is more of an issue with the Celestial portal

the issue is that it isn't even fun to play as him during late game

[WhackE]

1 minute ago, grm9 said:

the issue is that it isn't even fun to play as him during late game

that's unfortunate to hear, he really doesn't have much going for him aside from kitchen duties.

I'm just saying being able to eat a non-crock dish to gain night vision wont fix him.

3 minutes ago, grm9 said:

additional content shouldn't try to fill out what a character is missing.

I meant this in regard to non-character specific content, just to clarify.

[Theukon-dos]

While I do avidly support characters having downsides, and agree that Wigfrid's downside in particular has become a bit of a joke over the last few years as Klei keeps adding dishes that either get around or actively ignore it. I'm also just kinda so desperate for good ocean content that I'd be down for those two to be able to make use of Nightberries anyways.

I definitely don't think that the berries themselves should be made into Goodies. That would be too cheap. But I could see a crock pot dish getting added that that they can eat. If it was me, I'd give it a net loss on how long you get the night vision for, while also removing or atleast reducing the HP and Sanity penelties you get from eating the berries raw. So there is still a reason to eat them raw that Wigfrid and Warly can't make use of. But they ateast can get some of the effects.

A crock-pot dish would also let players keep the effect in a Polar Bearger bin. Which I could see a lot of people liking.

[Maxil20]

1 minute ago, Theukon-dos said:

I definitely don't think that the berries themselves should be made into Goodies. That would be too cheap. But I could see a crock pot dish getting added that that they can eat.

Gonna repeat what I saw on another thread, but I really like the idea of a dish you make with night berries and royal jelly. Jelly has a habit of accumulating later on when you have dozens of jellybeans, and given this tree is specifically meant to be more lategame it could be nice to combine both to get a goodie type of dish to store in the bin, especially since the berries spoil fast (they only last 6 days…)

A tangent, but I also wanna say since a lot of people look over it, the nightberry vision effect actually has another downside: you take a -5 sanity per minute effect while the effect is active that stacks with the dusk/night drain. I noticed this in particular when trying it and noticed that I wasn’t gaining sanity while wearing an enlightened crown at night using the berry. I would say that effect is quite noticeable, since you can’t really ride on entirely negating sanity needs unless you already have a good sanity stockpile beforehand.

[grm9]

20 minutes ago, WhackE said:

I'm just saying being able to eat a non-crock dish to gain night vision wont fix him

at least slightly better and in case they'll add more reasons to play as him during late game

[00petar00]

On 6/18/2024 at 5:52 PM, Szczuku said:

I'm sorry but why are you even part of this discussion if you say things like

On 6/18/2024 at 5:52 PM, Szczuku said:

Like.... that is the entire point of this thread - to discuss downsides. Cool, you don't like downsides, we don't need to hear from you then, we already know your stance on things

Yeah it matters for this discussion how many characters there are, what are you on about? I don't see you arguing over Wickerbottom not being able to sleep under the winter's feast trees in order to receive gifts. Or complaining about Wurt not being able to participate with the pig king. Or Wortox with the follower mechanics. Why are you so passionate about a mid-at-best food item??

Downsides should've never been compromised just to please the players. Wormwood and Wigfrid should have never been able to heal from/eat Jellybeans - the main drop from bee queen. And I'm saying that as a Wormwood main who heals most with jellybeans, I want that to be taken away. So, obviously, Wigfrid and Warly shouldn't be able to eat the nightberry, they have downsides for a reason

Downsides exist to affect the gameplay, not to be something that you just solve

According to your logic just because I don't like downsides I am not allowed to make more valid points for the discussion we are currently having on the forums? 

Winter feast is a seasonal event and only available for a very limited time so it doesn't really make much sense to bring it up and the need to bring it up shows that her downside doesn't have an impact when you have to do so.

I don't really care much about followers but Wurt should be able to trade with pig king and just because I haven't talked about it doesn't mean that I don't have opinions that I have not yet shared.

Most downsides aren't impactful and that is why others were compromised a lot of the players don't want to see their main having an impactful downside that makes them weaker.

Downsides affect gameplay negatively for me and a number of other players and I won't play a character that has a downside that I really dislike unless the character in question is overpowered.