closidian Posted June 9, 2024 Share Posted June 9, 2024 Cultivating Gemfruit is tough, it takes a full 25 days to bear fruit, but Applied Silviculture changes all that. Relying on Applied Silviculture, we are able to get a lot of gem fruits in a short period of time without having to wait for a long 25 days, a lot of gem fruits means a lot of green gems, you know what that means. Don't Starve Together 2024-06-09 08-53-26.mp4 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156749-be-wary-of-potential-threats-from-sproutrock-and-applied-silviculture/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Rage Posted June 9, 2024 Share Posted June 9, 2024 Wickerbottom was, is and will always be the most boring character in DST. My hopes about that character abiding by and adhering to the basic tenets of made Don't Starve Together fun to begin with have long been lost. Kudos to you for raising a concern at this point. This issue should be addressed, though the same thing can be said for most things related to the nonsensical power creep of this character. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156749-be-wary-of-potential-threats-from-sproutrock-and-applied-silviculture/#findComment-1721751 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brago-sama Posted June 9, 2024 Share Posted June 9, 2024 W̶i̶c̶k̶e̶r̶b̶o̶t̶t̶o̶m̶ Maxwell gaming Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156749-be-wary-of-potential-threats-from-sproutrock-and-applied-silviculture/#findComment-1721753 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruvimaster Posted June 9, 2024 Share Posted June 9, 2024 46 minutes ago, closidian said: Cultivating Gemfruit is tough, it takes a full 25 days to bear fruit, but Applied Silviculture changes all that. It's too disproportionate for me to believe that it was Klei's intention to leave all this time for the other characters (25 x 8) versus a few seconds of reading time for Wickerbottom. The ruins and Dragonfly lose importance because of Wickerbottom. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156749-be-wary-of-potential-threats-from-sproutrock-and-applied-silviculture/#findComment-1721761 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gi-Go Posted June 9, 2024 Share Posted June 9, 2024 1 hour ago, Cruvimaster said: The ruins and Dragonfly lose importance because of Wickerbottom. Ocean content viable??? We better nerf that crap asap. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156749-be-wary-of-potential-threats-from-sproutrock-and-applied-silviculture/#findComment-1721791 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterious box Posted June 9, 2024 Share Posted June 9, 2024 1 hour ago, Gi-Go said: Ocean content viable??? We better nerf that crap asap. I mean if the only way it's viable is locking it behind a specific character I think we have a bigger issue no? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156749-be-wary-of-potential-threats-from-sproutrock-and-applied-silviculture/#findComment-1721810 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirsg Posted June 9, 2024 Share Posted June 9, 2024 I want full orchards of each fruit tree for thematic reasons. All the green gems in the world couldn't fill that void in my heart. Anyway, I hope we get other fruit trees. I also hope berry bushes get the bush hat skin. I don't know why Keli has done this. Also I want stone fruit bush skins as well. These are all things people can pay for. This is cash money. Why Klei allergic to money? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156749-be-wary-of-potential-threats-from-sproutrock-and-applied-silviculture/#findComment-1721815 Share on other sites More sharing options...
_zwb Posted June 9, 2024 Share Posted June 9, 2024 It is already useless without Wicker books though, it takes 2 or 3 years to grow because of the season requirement, you can clear the ruins and get more gems much faster. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156749-be-wary-of-potential-threats-from-sproutrock-and-applied-silviculture/#findComment-1721841 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeRoboButler Posted June 9, 2024 Share Posted June 9, 2024 I would love if there were other ways to increase the trees growth, with some adjustments to the yields. By the time a person reaches the 200 day mark for the 60 percent drop rate, how badly do you really need those gems? At this point, the trees themselves could stand to see some adjustments. (as for wickerbottom, I am not stepping on that land mine, I am so good my dude... Chaos and riots come that skill tree). Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156749-be-wary-of-potential-threats-from-sproutrock-and-applied-silviculture/#findComment-1721870 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakepeng99 Posted June 9, 2024 Share Posted June 9, 2024 How come silviculture grows the nightberry? Shouldn't it be the green book instead? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156749-be-wary-of-potential-threats-from-sproutrock-and-applied-silviculture/#findComment-1721876 Share on other sites More sharing options...
abrocator Posted June 9, 2024 Share Posted June 9, 2024 They will 100% exempt these plants from being grown with books. They already made mass food farming harder to do with the sivilculture/horticulture. Ain't no way they're gonna make gems farmable like this. (Nightvision is less of a concern.) Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156749-be-wary-of-potential-threats-from-sproutrock-and-applied-silviculture/#findComment-1721949 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reiko24 Posted June 9, 2024 Share Posted June 9, 2024 4 hours ago, _zwb said: It is already useless without Wicker books though, it takes 2 or 3 years to grow because of the season requirement, you can clear the ruins and get more gems much faster. it takes 12 days to grow if planted on the correct turf and in the correct season https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156597-new-betas-new-wickerbottom-balance-problem/ Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156749-be-wary-of-potential-threats-from-sproutrock-and-applied-silviculture/#findComment-1721950 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruvimaster Posted June 9, 2024 Share Posted June 9, 2024 29 minutes ago, Reiko24 said: it takes 12 days to grow if planted on the correct turf and in the correct season https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156597-new-betas-new-wickerbottom-balance-problem/ So my world must have errors, as the game will be a year old and they are not grown into adulthood. Yes, they are on the correct floor. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156749-be-wary-of-potential-threats-from-sproutrock-and-applied-silviculture/#findComment-1721956 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenBowers Posted June 9, 2024 Share Posted June 9, 2024 How about instead of jumping the gun and nerfing a character using their gimmick, we make it so Tree Jam can grow the ancient trees faster so its accessible by everyone. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156749-be-wary-of-potential-threats-from-sproutrock-and-applied-silviculture/#findComment-1721974 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reiko24 Posted June 9, 2024 Share Posted June 9, 2024 37 minutes ago, Cruvimaster said: So my world must have errors, as the game will be a year old and they are not grown into adulthood. Yes, they are on the correct floor. idk then, weird Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156749-be-wary-of-potential-threats-from-sproutrock-and-applied-silviculture/#findComment-1721978 Share on other sites More sharing options...
_zwb Posted June 9, 2024 Share Posted June 9, 2024 1 hour ago, Reiko24 said: it takes 12 days to grow if planted on the correct turf and in the correct season https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156597-new-betas-new-wickerbottom-balance-problem/ It's 9 to 15 days for seeds to grow into sprouts, and 10 to 20 days for sprouts to grow into trees. So minimum of 19 days and maximum of 35 days. 1 hour ago, Cruvimaster said: So my world must have errors, as the game will be a year old and they are not grown into adulthood. Yes, they are on the correct floor. It doesn't, what Reiko24 said is incorrect. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156749-be-wary-of-potential-threats-from-sproutrock-and-applied-silviculture/#findComment-1721984 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakepeng99 Posted June 9, 2024 Share Posted June 9, 2024 55 minutes ago, GreenBowers said: How about instead of jumping the gun and nerfing a character using their gimmick, we make it so Tree Jam can grow the ancient trees faster so its accessible by everyone. It doesnt fix the balance concern. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156749-be-wary-of-potential-threats-from-sproutrock-and-applied-silviculture/#findComment-1722003 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faintly Macabre Posted June 9, 2024 Share Posted June 9, 2024 What if: 1. The trees' growth time was lowered and each grew in two seasons instead of just one, 2. They had a limited number of harvests before either dying or entering some sort of dormant state. The dormant state could last a set period, and/or could be ended with tree jam. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156749-be-wary-of-potential-threats-from-sproutrock-and-applied-silviculture/#findComment-1722006 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruvimaster Posted June 9, 2024 Share Posted June 9, 2024 50 minutes ago, GreenBowers said: How about instead of jumping the gun and nerfing a character using their gimmick, we make it so Tree Jam can grow the ancient trees faster so its accessible by everyone. I doubt Klei's real goal is to take away the purpose of the ruins or Dragonfly. And Wickerbottom is doing just that. It also takes away the purpose of sailing to look for more treasures, as it would only take a few trees at the base for Wickerbottom to do his witchcraft and multiply absurdly. It would be interesting to use a purple gem on the portal to access Wickerbottom and then it gives you dozens of purple gems and other types of gems almost instantly. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156749-be-wary-of-potential-threats-from-sproutrock-and-applied-silviculture/#findComment-1722007 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenBowers Posted June 9, 2024 Share Posted June 9, 2024 1 hour ago, Cruvimaster said: I doubt Klei's real goal is to take away the purpose of the ruins or Dragonfly. And Wickerbottom is doing just that. It also takes away the purpose of sailing to look for more treasures, as it would only take a few trees at the base for Wickerbottom to do his witchcraft and multiply absurdly. It would be interesting to use a purple gem on the portal to access Wickerbottom and then it gives you dozens of purple gems and other types of gems almost instantly. Wickerbottom is doing just that with an ocean treasure thats incredibly rare in the first place, and ruins gems have less than a 5% chance to drop on the incredibly rare trees. So basically a character that has to go through a ton of hoops and set up is allowed to get rewarded for the set up. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156749-be-wary-of-potential-threats-from-sproutrock-and-applied-silviculture/#findComment-1722035 Share on other sites More sharing options...
arubaro Posted June 9, 2024 Share Posted June 9, 2024 2 hours ago, GreenBowers said: How about instead of jumping the gun and nerfing a character using their gimmick, we make it so Tree Jam can grow the ancient trees faster so its accessible by everyone. Still she would get insane ammount of gems for free, once set up, without even needed to learn how to beat a bishop not talking about reseting the ruins 1 minute ago, GreenBowers said: Wickerbottom is doing just that with an ocean treasure thats incredibly rare in the first place, and ruins gems have less than a 5% chance to drop on the incredibly rare trees. So basically a character that has to go through a ton of hoops and set up is allowed to get rewarded for the set up. Maybe is rare but once you get it, it last forever Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156749-be-wary-of-potential-threats-from-sproutrock-and-applied-silviculture/#findComment-1722036 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenBowers Posted June 9, 2024 Share Posted June 9, 2024 1 minute ago, arubaro said: Still she would get insane ammount of gems for free, once set up, without even needed to learn how to beat a bishop not talking about reseting the ruins Don't pretend that sailing to collect the seeds means any day one wicker is rushing it asap without learning other facets of the game. Taking the time to set something like this up should be rewarded. 5 minutes ago, arubaro said: Maybe is rare but once you get it, it last forever So we should bring Disease back, because replanting stonefruit and berry bushes and saplings and grass at the base last forever, and are free rewards that trivialize leaving the base to go survive. Not counting the fact that the weird day limiter exists so you aren't even likely to get any gem tree's until day 200+. Everyone's acting like being able to do this is broken when by the time you would be able to do this, you probably have a massive base set up and aren't even struggling to do anything. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156749-be-wary-of-potential-threats-from-sproutrock-and-applied-silviculture/#findComment-1722040 Share on other sites More sharing options...
arubaro Posted June 9, 2024 Share Posted June 9, 2024 5 minutes ago, GreenBowers said: Don't pretend that sailing to collect the seeds means any day one wicker is rushing it asap without learning other facets of the game. Taking the time to set something like this up should be rewarded. And it is rewarded. Infinity durability gem producer plants 5 minutes ago, GreenBowers said: Don't pretend that sailing to collect the seeds means any day one wicker is rushing it asap without learning other facets of the game. Taking the time to set something like this up should be rewarded. So we should bring Disease back, because replanting stonefruit and berry bushes and saplings and grass at the base last forever, and are free rewards that trivialize leaving the base to go survive. Not counting the fact that the weird day limiter exists so you aren't even likely to get any gem tree's until day 200+. Everyone's acting like being able to do this is broken when by the time you would be able to do this, you probably have a massive base set up and aren't even struggling to do anything. Are you comparing getting basic resources and ingredients, with his own downsides and cost like grass needing fertilization, avocados having really fast spoiling time, etc with having access to gems, even green gems, for free? And you arent happy with that but you want to be able to spam wicker books, which now are free to use because they regenerate, to get insane ammounts? Sure collecting some bottles is as hard as beating FW... sure The 200 threshold makes no sense and, since this is a beta, we can expect it being changed aswell as the absurd interaction with wicker Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156749-be-wary-of-potential-threats-from-sproutrock-and-applied-silviculture/#findComment-1722045 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenBowers Posted June 9, 2024 Share Posted June 9, 2024 Its almost like anything in excess that requires a lot of setup is strong. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156749-be-wary-of-potential-threats-from-sproutrock-and-applied-silviculture/#findComment-1722050 Share on other sites More sharing options...
arubaro Posted June 9, 2024 Share Posted June 9, 2024 7 minutes ago, GreenBowers said: Its almost like anything in excess that requires a lot of setup is strong. But green gems shouldn't feel that free Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156749-be-wary-of-potential-threats-from-sproutrock-and-applied-silviculture/#findComment-1722058 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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