Reiko24 Posted June 7, 2024 Share Posted June 7, 2024 Wickerbottom's Applied Silviculture should NOT work with the Gem Trees. If you got like 5 of them, and craft 10 applied silvicultures, you can get insane amount of gems, absolutely insane amount of green gems in a super short amount of time, making every resource in the game infinite with no cost. It will be balanced due to how hard it is to get them IF the books do not work. There should be no way to make them bear fruit faster. At least the Gem Tree one. The nightvision tree is okay. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156597-new-betas-new-wickerbottom-balance-problem/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reiko24 Posted June 7, 2024 Author Share Posted June 7, 2024 Just now, Habakkuk said: sorry, it would be fine if it was strong, but it's just straight up broken Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156597-new-betas-new-wickerbottom-balance-problem/#findComment-1720538 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breach747 Posted June 7, 2024 Share Posted June 7, 2024 Her books don't work with the living wood trees (Halloween event) so I assumed they wouldn't work with these Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156597-new-betas-new-wickerbottom-balance-problem/#findComment-1720565 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reiko24 Posted June 7, 2024 Author Share Posted June 7, 2024 1 minute ago, Breach747 said: Her books don't work with the living wood trees (Halloween event) so I assumed they wouldn't work with these they do work with the new trees, which is insane xd Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156597-new-betas-new-wickerbottom-balance-problem/#findComment-1720566 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nimzowitsch10 Posted June 7, 2024 Share Posted June 7, 2024 With how much of a pain ocean treasures are i think this will give people an incentive to actually go and find sunken chests. I think the trees should be more rare Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156597-new-betas-new-wickerbottom-balance-problem/#findComment-1720608 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reiko24 Posted June 7, 2024 Author Share Posted June 7, 2024 27 minutes ago, nimzowitsch10 said: With how much of a pain ocean treasures are i think this will give people an incentive to actually go and find sunken chests. I think the trees should be more rare they are 10% from each sunken chest, makes them kinda rare in my opinion Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156597-new-betas-new-wickerbottom-balance-problem/#findComment-1720631 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenBowers Posted June 7, 2024 Share Posted June 7, 2024 So if you make 10 magic items and dredge up a bunch of rare trees from the ocean, you get a lot of returns. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156597-new-betas-new-wickerbottom-balance-problem/#findComment-1720633 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwaik Posted June 7, 2024 Share Posted June 7, 2024 I haven't messed around with the beta  But something that would balance this out would requiring Tree Jam to fertizile them (not necessarily 1:1 but some ratio) Right now tree jam has next to no uses, and this resource is time constrained by glommer so this could resolve those issues completely, while allowing Wickerbottoms books to offer some utility Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156597-new-betas-new-wickerbottom-balance-problem/#findComment-1720646 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breach747 Posted June 7, 2024 Share Posted June 7, 2024 1 hour ago, Reiko24 said: they do work with the new trees, which is insane xd That's wild, I wouldn't have thought they'd allow that interaction Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156597-new-betas-new-wickerbottom-balance-problem/#findComment-1720658 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojmaowo Posted June 7, 2024 Share Posted June 7, 2024 4 hours ago, Reiko24 said: Wickerbottom's Applied Silviculture should NOT work with the Gem Trees. If you got like 5 of them, and craft 10 applied silvicultures, you can get insane amount of gems, absolutely insane amount of green gems in a super short amount of time, making every resource in the game infinite with no cost. It will be balanced due to how hard it is to get them IF the books do not work. There should be no way to make them bear fruit faster. At least the Gem Tree one. The nightvision tree is okay. trees that take 2-3 years to grow should be worth it so I don't think it should be nerfed Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156597-new-betas-new-wickerbottom-balance-problem/#findComment-1720710 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reiko24 Posted June 7, 2024 Author Share Posted June 7, 2024 Just now, Mojmaowo said: trees that take 2-3 years to grow should be worth it so I don't think it should be nerfed apparently they can grow in 12 days if you plant them in the correct season and on the correct turf at the same time Edit: i heard that from someone though, not sure Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156597-new-betas-new-wickerbottom-balance-problem/#findComment-1720711 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fufuji Posted June 7, 2024 Share Posted June 7, 2024 Both new trees are too OP with Wicker but nearly useless without Wicker, due to their acquirement is restricted to middle~late game and their super long growing time and fruit producing periods. They still need some tweaks I think. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156597-new-betas-new-wickerbottom-balance-problem/#findComment-1720720 Share on other sites More sharing options...
benfroyobro9381 Posted June 7, 2024 Share Posted June 7, 2024 Regardless, I really hope they don't actually grow in 2-3 years. Waiting is not a fun, interactive, difficult, or interesting game mechanic. If they actually grow sooner in the right season, like within a single season max, then I'll tolerate it. I think Wicker should get some interaction, like growing 2-3 trees or halving the time before the next harvest. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156597-new-betas-new-wickerbottom-balance-problem/#findComment-1720724 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reiko24 Posted June 7, 2024 Author Share Posted June 7, 2024 2 minutes ago, Fufuji said: Both new trees are too OP with Wicker but nearly useless without Wicker, due to their acquirement is restricted to middle~late game and their super long growing time and fruit producing periods. They still need some tweaks I think. How long do you need to wait for it to bear fruit after it has grown and after harvests? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156597-new-betas-new-wickerbottom-balance-problem/#findComment-1720726 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fufuji Posted June 7, 2024 Share Posted June 7, 2024 Just now, Reiko24 said: How long do you need to wait for it to bear fruit after it has grown and after harvests? Both are 25 days. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156597-new-betas-new-wickerbottom-balance-problem/#findComment-1720730 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reiko24 Posted June 7, 2024 Author Share Posted June 7, 2024 Just now, Fufuji said: Both are 25 days. That's actually a lot. The wickerbottom books should not work for them, but they should bear fruit every 12,5 days or something. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156597-new-betas-new-wickerbottom-balance-problem/#findComment-1720732 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakepeng99 Posted June 7, 2024 Share Posted June 7, 2024 Tree jam should be the only way to speed it up if any. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156597-new-betas-new-wickerbottom-balance-problem/#findComment-1720734 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reiko24 Posted June 7, 2024 Author Share Posted June 7, 2024 Just now, Jakepeng99 said: Tree jam should be the only way to speed it up if any. yesss Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156597-new-betas-new-wickerbottom-balance-problem/#findComment-1720735 Share on other sites More sharing options...
benfroyobro9381 Posted June 7, 2024 Share Posted June 7, 2024 25 for 3 gems and occassional nightvision? killing dragonfly or using moggles seems to be a lot faster and engaging. there should be other interactive ways to get these fruits faster without the just waiting. using wicker's books(with some moderation of course), tree jam, certain seasons, turf, tree specific practices. just waiting for 25 days makes me think I'm gonna forget about these fruits. I know klei and the community wants to keep things balanced but we already have ways to get gems and nightvision way faster. varg farms, the ruins, dragonfly, moggles(which you can get in your first autumn), etc. i think these restrictions won't make the trees as fun to use and a lot more forgettable. if they can't be too strong for being passive income, then make them less passive! give us more ways to make them better! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156597-new-betas-new-wickerbottom-balance-problem/#findComment-1720744 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reiko24 Posted June 7, 2024 Author Share Posted June 7, 2024 6 minutes ago, benfroyobro9381 said: 25 for 3 gems and occassional nightvision? killing dragonfly or using moggles seems to be a lot faster and engaging. there should be other interactive ways to get these fruits faster without the just waiting. using wicker's books(with some moderation of course), tree jam, certain seasons, turf, tree specific practices. just waiting for 25 days makes me think I'm gonna forget about these fruits. I know klei and the community wants to keep things balanced but we already have ways to get gems and nightvision way faster. varg farms, the ruins, dragonfly, moggles(which you can get in your first autumn), etc. i think these restrictions won't make the trees as fun to use and a lot more forgettable. if they can't be too strong for being passive income, then make them less passive! give us more ways to make them better! 25 days is too long 12.5 is more like it but still, imagine having like 20 of those trees producing 60 gem geodes every 12.5 days while you do other stuff, it's not bad Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156597-new-betas-new-wickerbottom-balance-problem/#findComment-1720749 Share on other sites More sharing options...
benfroyobro9381 Posted June 7, 2024 Share Posted June 7, 2024 2 minutes ago, Reiko24 said: 25 days is too long 12.5 is more like it but still, imagine having like 20 of those trees producing 60 gem geodes every 12.5 days while you do other stuff, it's not bad yeah, that doesn't sound bad. i just hope klei gives the player more agency over how good the trees are. 12.5 on average with less and more in certain conditions with more ways to accelerate it sounds epic Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156597-new-betas-new-wickerbottom-balance-problem/#findComment-1720751 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenBowers Posted June 7, 2024 Share Posted June 7, 2024 I agree in that I think using Tree Jam to speed up the tree growth is a great idea. It connects the different ocean content together and gives another use for Tree Jam. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156597-new-betas-new-wickerbottom-balance-problem/#findComment-1720793 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybers2001 Posted June 7, 2024 Share Posted June 7, 2024 5 hours ago, Reiko24 said: sorry, it would be fine if it was strong, but it's just straight up broken Doesn't sound more broken than a varg farm to me. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156597-new-betas-new-wickerbottom-balance-problem/#findComment-1720815 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reiko24 Posted June 7, 2024 Author Share Posted June 7, 2024 5 minutes ago, cybers2001 said: Doesn't sound more broken than a varg farm to me. it is more broken. Standing still at an afk farm for like 10 days and switching into Wilson will net you like 8? green gems. Standing still near some gem trees and reading Wicker's books will net you like 20 green gems in 1 day, Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156597-new-betas-new-wickerbottom-balance-problem/#findComment-1720820 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkemal23 Posted June 7, 2024 Share Posted June 7, 2024 7 minutes ago, cybers2001 said: Doesn't sound more broken than a varg farm to me. Unlike these trees, Varg farms don't let you mass produce green gems which are the root of the problem. That's of course, if you don't count Wilson's abysmal gem transmutation, which has it's own flaws. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156597-new-betas-new-wickerbottom-balance-problem/#findComment-1720822 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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