If the Elastispacer stays this expensive, we need more/better storage solutions.

[Faintly Macabre]

I can't really decide how I feel about the Elastispacer itself: it seems very impractically expensive, but given how powerful it is (effectively infinite size stacks is pretty wild) and the fact that its express purpose was to make megabaser worlds run better (it's listed in the patch notes under the "Performance" category, even), I dunno, maybe a crown shard isn't asking so much.

What I do feel strongly about, though, is that stationary storage in this game is a problem, and the Elastispacer as is does not solve it, because it is very prohibitively expensive and very late game. Your storage options simply do not really improve for the majority of the development of a world, and what you start with kinda sucks. It seems pretty obvious to me that something is wrong when players are doing things like opting to use the floor for their storage purposes instead, or extending their current storage options by putting containers in containers (i.e. bundles placed in chests) and so doing accepting a constant (if minor) cost just to access their things (rope). To top it all off, building enough storage for all your things takes up so, so much space.

I don't know that the answer to this problem is making the Elastispacer cheaper or easier to get because again, it's very powerful. But if it's not, I think we still do need an answer. I have a couple of suggestions that I think would be quite effective and as a bonus wouldn't require any new objects or art assets (other than maybe a pretty simple UI asset for the extended storage space? I don't know how UI elements are stored):

1. Make the wardrobe double as storage for worn items (and possibly tools/weapons?) and give it ample slots for this purpose. 18? 24? To keep it balanced, don't allow any other items to be kept in it, and make the recipe a bit more expensive.

2. Further increase the storage capacity of scaled chests. I can't speak for others, but I have always felt that this item was kind of pointless; I'm legitimately not sure I've ever built a single one since single-player DS. For my money, it fails as a higher capacity storage solution because it takes way more resources and space for a measly 3 extra slots, and its value as protection from fire for your things is undermined by just building a single flingo. You could add more slots to it, though personally I think a better solution would be to allow it to store larger stacks of items; perhaps 3 or 5 times the normal stack size for an item? That would make it a game performance improvement, as well.

If these don't float the devs' boats, I really and truly hope they come up with something else. Managing stationary storage to me is one of the most un-fun aspects of the game, and it's kind of frustrating to see it being solved, but only if you're the kind of player with extra celestial crowns piling up.

And yes, I realize there are other topics about this, but most of those topics center around specific solutions that people might have mixed feelings about. I've got a couple of suggestions, but the crux of the topic is simply that I think some solution is needed.

[lowercase skye]

If you deconstruct the crown then you get 6 enlightened shards from 1 celestial champion fight, that's 6 elastispacers. I don't think it's too expensive at all.

[HowlVoid]

1 hour ago, finn from human said:

If you deconstruct the crown then you get 6 enlightened shards from 1 celestial champion fight, that's 6 elastispacers. I don't think it's too expensive at all.

I feel like you might underselling what's needed to get those shards.

1. Farming the items for the experiment to summon the boss.

2. The gear and healing to fight the boss

3. Time and gear to raid the ruins 

4. Green gems and living logs

(+everything for fuelweaver if you used the first set of ruins loot on something else (or start farming many shards) or dragonfly farming)

5. You have to farm the wagstaff event and necessary materials at least twice if you want to keep the first crown.

It's really not just fight the boss and boom, you have shards.

And that's not the only issue

All so you can move the rocks into one chest. Seems a tad unfair that it doesn't reduce the amount of farming and organizing you have to do, since you have to get all those chests for your stuff before you get the upgrade. Then you gotta break down those chests and re-organize and spend the time moving everything to one chest. 

It's too favored towards megabasers and no item should prioritize one playstyle over another.

Personally all I'm asking for is 1-2 upgrades somehow before CC.

[Maxil20]

16 minutes ago, HowlVoid said:

I feel like you might underselling what's needed to get those shards.

You have to keep in mind that every fight gives you fifty-four infinite storage spaces if you use all six shards for elasticspacers. By comparison, my storage area, which had hundreds of chests to keep just about every stackable item in the game, needs just around 30 expanded chests total, and that’s not accounting for the fact most aren’t even filled all the way!

It’s certainly a process to get to it, but repeat kills are not a huge struggle to do, at least for how many chests you want. You can get a reasonable amount of shards from ~15 days of moonstorm grinding and champ killing. Pair that with some things like volt goat chaud froid for champ, and you can take down that time even more.

I will agree that I do wish there were earlier upgrades for storage, but I feel it’s a bit silly saying the chests are a feat of massive performance when in reality most will be satisfied with ~5-10 chests tops, and that’s only 1-2 extra champ kills and 20%-40% of a deconstruction staff.

[Harrowick]

Storage upgrades do sound awesome, and it would be nice to see some mid-game storage improvements! it's weird how the chest goes from holding a single stack to holding 999+ of the same item. (where did this pocket dimension come from??) 

I think it would've been cool if the taller chests were a mid-game upgrade to the chests, but that's just me. I'm happy for the megabase/endgame players, though!!

 

[Faintly Macabre]

2 hours ago, HowlVoid said:

5. You have to farm the wagstaff event and necessary materials at least twice if you want to keep the first crown.

To add to this, another thing to keep in mind is that while a lot of us obviously play alone, it is a multiplayer game, so multiple players may want crowns. Then of course, there's the fact that they're also desirable for mushlights. Yes, these things are all luxuries, but that's kind of my point: why is good, manageable storage relegated to a luxury?

[Maxil20]

9 minutes ago, Faintly Macabre said:

To add to this, another thing to keep in mind is that while a lot of us obviously play alone, it is a multiplayer game, so multiple players may want crowns. 

Multiple players increase the speed in which the moongleams/charged moon shards spawn due to the mechanics scaling based on the amount of players around the biome. If anything, solo players are at a disadvantage with how much longer it takes to stockpile the mats and the lack of manpower when it comes to fighting the champ vs. a coordinated group.

I get crowns are used for lights and the like, but compared to those, which you might want hundreds of, you don’t need a lot of expanded chests in most bases. You really shouldn’t need more than ~10 in 99% of bases, which is only 2 champ kills.

[Cheggf]

I think you should get the chest upgrade from scrappy werepig, so it takes a bit to get to but isn't super difficult (plus I think the junkyard giving you an upgrade to store more junk is fitting). Like you said, you can just put crap on the floor, so it isn't like it's actually helping you accomplish anything other than improving server performance and area aesthetics.

Wardrobes should also let you put stuff in 'em like this

[Gi-Go]

I actually changed my mind. I hated how expensive and late game this useless thing was, but after I finally got it, it was so freaking satisfying. I think it should stay the way it is and we need to focus on a different issue instead. Scaled chest should have a lot more slots to store non stackables.  64 (8x8) would satisfy me. 

[Szczuku]

1 upgraded chest warrants a removal of 9 chests (each chest filled with 1 item, that is).

You get 5 shards from a single crown. So, basically, one crown lets you get rid of 45 chests

I'm pretty sure that's good enough and the cost of killing CC is fair

[Yuuko]

7 hours ago, Faintly Macabre said:

Your storage options simply do not really improve for the majority of the development of a world, and what you start with kinda sucks. It seems pretty obvious to me that something is wrong when players are doing things like opting to use the floor for their storage purposes instead, or extending their current storage options by putting containers in containers (i.e. bundles placed in chests) and so doing accepting a constant (if minor) cost just to access their things (rope). To top it all off, building enough storage for all your things takes up so, so much space.

I don't think I use the ground because there is nothing better than a chest but not as great as the infinite chest.  I think I use the ground because even chests take too much time when I'm making a b-line for both rifts, at which point I'll get infinite chests.

4 hours ago, HowlVoid said:

I feel like you might underselling what's needed to get those shards.

I don't think counting the decon staff as any extra effort is fair.  The overhead of acquiring this is pretty much zero b/c we already go to the ruins *at least* for a starcaller just to do the CC quest line and can easily get a decon at the same time.

Also the CC boss doesn't have a reset timer, so unlike other bosses you can actually spam it fairly quickly.  Just place the statues as soon as you defeat it, and run it back.  If you farmed extra charged glass, gleams, and other mats you can even do it in the same trip.

Ppl already spammed these for infinite light, so its definitely spammable.  I'd say the only problem with it is that it competes with that splitting resources.

[Cruvimaster]

For me the price is fair for an extremely OP item. And you don't need so many of these chests. Defeating the Celestial Champion twice gives you 12 chests.

[Faintly Macabre]

Everybody commenting on whether or not the Elastispacer price is fair when that's not what the topic's actually about 

[grm9]

23 minutes ago, Cruvimaster said:

an extremely OP item

why do you think that it's better than the ground?

[Cruvimaster]

13 minutes ago, grm9 said:

why do you think that it's better than the ground?

I had 36 Scaled Chests and a bunch of items wrapped in packages and it still wasn't organized well.

Now I have 5 super chests in this area and I don't need that many more for items that can be grouped together.

I'm still redoing this area and will break these other Scaled Chests.

One day the Klei may provide a solution for items that cannot be grouped, but I doubt it will be in this update.

[grm9]

On 3/14/2024 at 5:11 PM, Cruvimaster said:

I had 36 Scaled Chests and a bunch of items wrapped in packages and it still wasn't organized well.

Now I have 5 super chests in this area and I don't need that many more for items that can be grouped together.

I'm still redoing this area and will break these other Scaled Chests.One day the Klei may provide a solution for items that cannot be grouped, but I doubt it will be in this update.

that's irrelevant to what i asked about

[Cruvimaster]

2 minutes ago, grm9 said:

that's irrelevant to what i asked

So may you be left without your answer. 

[HowlVoid]

17 hours ago, Maxil20 said:

 

You completely missed what my main gripe is. And I actually agree with you.

I don't need that many chests, the problem is I have to do alot of stuff when I just need 1-2 of them. 

I'm not against it's current state in which it exists.

I simply want a way to get more storage before CC because I don't need everything it gives. If I just need it for items that I get in huge amounts playing passively (acorns, wood, etc) they I may only need 1. 

I actually have no clue why everyone is talking about the cost. The costs is irrelevant to me, it's probably not something I will ever farm for. 

So I wasted like 90% the first crown I deconstruct.

TL;DR the way to farm for upgrades is fine. It's just too much for when I need just one. And if I just need a bit more storage then it should be easier to acquire.

[Faintly Macabre]

Shameless self bump. The game is constantly introducing new items at all stages of play and presumably will continue to do so, so this situation will only get worse. More storage options, please.

[cybers2001]

On 3/14/2024 at 8:28 AM, Cruvimaster said:

For me the price is fair for an extremely OP item. And you don't need so many of these chests. Defeating the Celestial Champion twice gives you 12 chests.

What's overpowered about it, exactly?

[mima_]

if klei ever add more slot to one storage (more than 9/12 slotted storage ) i wish they add like scroll feature, or maybe pages?? 
i hate seeing that massive box covering all of my screen, feel so out of place. 
like how cheggf posted, not really pleasing in my opinion... 

Spoiler

On 3/14/2024 at 12:49 PM, Cheggf said:

NGL this massive pop up is uglee, i better just drop them somewhere against a wall on the floor . or just feed them to lureplant 

 

[Faintly Macabre]

With release next week and the scaled chest upgrades already out, it seems like this is probably a no-go. Still, gonna give it one more try. I start new worlds pretty frequently and I take my time working through various progression paths, so I'd really love to see at least one more step of progression in storage between the beginning of the game and the death of CC. Really want to spend less of my time organizing my stuff.

[ButterStuffed]

I don’t mega base and don’t ever really intend to mega base, so I am definitely in favor of more earlier game storage solutions.

Larger inventory containers for specific items/equipment, similar to the tin fishin bin, is all I want at this point.

[UndersoundXC]

To me it doesn't even make sense a celestial shard be a material for a storage upgrade. Like, for warbis gear ok, but for chest I really don't get it. Seems more like a wall to getting the new stuff than anything.

[Mx-Pain]

I think it should apply the fridge, krampus sack.

The requirements are not that expensive is an end game item. IMHO it should be more expensive is a really crazy item. Probably one of the best addition in a really long time.

It won't take longer until we see a characther with infinity item solts too on his backpack or sack, probably wortox on his skill tree.