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On 11/15/2023 at 9:43 PM, Retepeter said:

Alright so I read most replies and this is gonna sound a bit rude but please don't get offended

 

I feel like the forums are kinda... ecotistical? If that's the right word

I feel like people don't really consider other's points (I'm guilty of this myself) and kinda just keep saying I am right, you are wrong, like what if someone likes planar? What if some people think its a good mechanic to prevent powercreep and makes the game intresting?

Don't get me wrong I love that Klei takes this place seriously but I feel like that has added fuel to the fire of people feeling that the game should add/remove/change things that they think would fit in and not everyone in the community

I'm also not against discussion, or negativity. They're good in moderation but the negativity (an people comparing klei and dst to things they just aren't) definately feels like its out of hand at this point

 

I'm also aware that negativity spreads faster then positivity, obviously people who agree with you don't comment "Wow so true bestie", at best they react to your post but people who disagree will explain why you're wrong. Obviously it works like this but still, it just feels overwhelming (I think for this reason a negative emote isn't bad, I personally would feel less offended by 15 thumbs downs/confuseds then 3 comments calling me out but different discussion, would prefer not to get off topic)

 

On 11/15/2023 at 9:54 PM, Catteflyterpill said:

I think the big issue is how people complain. Criticisms against the game or its direction are very important to its health, but some people just post things that feel more inflammatory or divisive. @Maxil20's point about clickbait-y posts I think is a good example. Saying that something is objectively wrong or objectively bad design isn't really all that helpful, it doesn't facilitate conversation and more perspectives which I think is what the forums are about. 

Wow so true besties !!

I was answering but I erase all because I simply rewrite what you had say with different word

So again, wow so true besties

Funnily enough I personally recall the place being more docile years ago from now, but it seems few share this remembrance so either I'm gaslighting myself or blatantly bad instances marked forumite minds too much which are parts of what I recall as well of course... there were periods where something notable happens here due to Klei directions or certain newcomers decide to shakes thing up :indecisiveness: Both still happen to this day naturally so same old same old, but with DST getting a peculiarly more heavy development rate with more consequent updates, and it gaining in popularity, I can't see how things were any similar way back then.

Anyway even today it's not that bad, it felt worse about a year from now, and even then I consider voicing opinions, concerns, or whatever you put in words is important for what we commonly love. Remaining quiet won't bring improvements, and the game is in good enough hands to avoid regression from bad feedback (it exists), but it's good to read different viewpoints and answer them... however it won't cost anyone anything to add kindness in the wording and connotation in the reading. For a fact we wouldn't be discussing this this topic if that was a bit more present and I would picture the game just the same.

On 11/15/2023 at 8:25 PM, Cr4zyFl4mes said:

 

Why is the author talking about the future of Don't Starve and talking only about DST?
DST is not Don't Starve.  It's Don't Starve Together and it should never be considered Don't Starve

1 hour ago, Hungry French said:

DST is not Don't Starve.  It's Don't Starve Together and it should never be considered Don't Starve

DST could still be considered part of the Don't Starve IP, and why are you constantly on the DST part of the forums if you despise the game so much?

DST is the future of the franchise because the original game is finished. I don't know what it'll take for you to accept this.

31 minutes ago, Paxtonnnn said:

DST is the future of the franchise because the original game is finished. I don't know what it'll take for you to accept this.

And how long will this future last ? 2 years ? 5 years ? Or maybe 10 ?
DS just left a seemingly broken toy . 
Will the same thing happen soon with DST ? 

The Don't Starve franchise had a single player reign...

Don't Starve together has multiplayer reign...

What will happen next? What kind of reign awaits us and franchise in the future...

I'm surprised with some comments saying that the forum is a scary place, what?

Maybe cause I was born in the ghetto (lmao), but this place is very tame. I mean no one even cusses. And not one person has told me to keep myself safe yet, where in certain reddit communities I have.

Not that I want that level here ofc, I'm just surprised. I think the meanest comment I've ever gotten here was, like, "nothing you say makes sense" or something. And y'all know I've gotten in my fair share of tussles.

I remember one time one person came on here and was being very homophobic and everyone ganged up on them. Saying that that wasn't tolerated here and stuff. I think most everyone gets defensive rather than going on straight up personally attack rants (which are very rare). 

Idk, I just never lived a sheltered life. That's probably where my point of view is coming from.

53 minutes ago, Brago-sama said:

Im pretty sure no ones cusses because its a rule... i think. Idk, im not brave/dumb enough to try and poke the ̶b̶e̶a̶r̶ monocle man

Which is great, it means people are following the rules. 

Which is why the forum ain't so bad, people do care about their reputation and the account they've fostered. 

To me it means heated debates don't come from a "bad place" out of malice. Maybe misinformation, stubbornness, ignorance, ego(probably the biggest one) etc but not with malicious intent.

I think the moderators know this and that's why they don't ban people until as a last resort. We have people with all kids of tempers and short/long fuses, but at then end we all care for and really REALLY (maybe too much) love this game.

3 hours ago, Hungry French said:

And how long will this future last ? 2 years ? 5 years ? Or maybe 10 ?
DS just left a seemingly broken toy . 
Will the same thing happen soon with DST ? 

The Don't Starve franchise had a single player reign...

Don't Starve together has multiplayer reign...

What will happen next? What kind of reign awaits us and franchise in the future...

I’m pretty certain that the future (beyond DST) is going to be a new game under the Dont Starve IP, which will most likely be a PS5, Xbox Series X/S, and Nintendo Switch 2 (Yes Nintendo has confirmed they’re making one.. & it’s coming soon.) Exclusive.

Which means- Complete Abandonment of last Gen consoles. (PS4, Xbox One, Nintendo Switch) While they are able to advance forward with new ideas and features that only the better Hardware would be capable of.

I can’t speak about PC because that is a whole different world of gaming… But I CAN say that some older model PCs are now currently struggling to run the game.

(some people literally can’t host worlds with caves enabled on their Old PC or handle silly little animated floating face icons due to lag)

At some point, maybe not now.. maybe not 5 years from now- But at some point… Klei will HAVE to move on & stop trying to get new content to work with 2013 PCs.

So… I’m going to guess the Future of DS is a Next Gen game- Be that Don’t Starve Together Expanded and Enhanced Edition or Don’t Starve 2.. (for PS5, X/S, Switch 2) 

Alternatively: Klei could get tired of us all and just abandon the franchise saying they’re completely done with the DS Ip and have chosen to sale the rights to it to someone else, an Unlikely Scenario.. but there was that one time when they sold majority shares in Klei to that one company… I forget their name but I think they’re currently making a not so very well received mobile game? Idk..

Ignore me It could just be my old age mis-remembering things.

I can firmly say that it would be a sad day for DS & DST fans if the future of the franchise became not very well received Mobile game.

15 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

 (Yes Nintendo has confirmed they’re making one.. & it’s coming soon.)

Wtf. Is this not a joke? Do you have a source ?

 

16 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

I’m pretty certain that the future (beyond DST) is going to be a new game under the Dont Starve IP, which will most likely be a PS5, Xbox Series X/S, and Nintendo Switch 2 (Yes Nintendo has confirmed they’re making one.. & it’s coming soon.) Exclusive.

Which means- Complete Abandonment of last Gen consoles. (PS4, Xbox One, Nintendo Switch) While they are able to advance forward with new ideas and features that only the better Hardware would be capable of.

I can’t speak about PC because that is a whole different world of gaming… But I CAN say that some older model PCs are now currently struggling to run the game.

(some people literally can’t host worlds with caves enabled on their Old PC or handle silly little animated floating face icons due to lag)

At some point, maybe not now.. maybe not 5 years from now- But at some point… Klei will HAVE to move on & stop trying to get new content to work with 2013 PCs.

DST optimization is terrible without Don't Starve Alone mod because of the servers.
Although even mods show worse results than DS.
DS loads 20+ times faster than DST, because every world in DS is not a server.

 

19 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

So… I’m going to guess the Future of DS is a Next Gen game- Be that Don’t Starve Together Expanded and Enhanced Edition or Don’t Starve 2.. (for PS5, X/S, Switch 2) 

Or DS ( DS + DST edition ). Maybe Klei will be able to make a single and multiplayer game in one game, and not in two different ones...

But I want more DS 2. A perfectly polished single player is exactly what I need

37 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

Alternatively: Klei could get tired of us all and just abandon the franchise saying they’re completely done with the DS Ip and have chosen to sale the rights to it to someone else, an Unlikely Scenario.. but there was that one time when they sold majority shares in Klei to that one company… I forget their name but I think they’re currently making a not so very well revived mobile game? Idk..

Ignore me I could just be mis-remembering things.

I can firmly say that it would be a sad day for DS & DST fans if the future of the franchise became not very well received Mobile game.

Tencent. Not the most pleasant company. But Klei has independence in creating projects.

New Home doesn't look too bad. 
At least there control is much better than in DS Pocket Edition.
And it looks more like DST with new game modes.
It will be funny if there is a real solo game mode, which DST has never had.

(Allowing a player to play alone on the server in DST does not look like something that can be called single game mode)

46 minutes ago, Uedo said:

I'm not gonna lie, Hungry French's posts are 9000% more entertaining if you pretend it's a dramatic speech from an anime protagonist. I'm obsessed.

Maybe it is. :wilson_blush:

18 hours ago, Brago-sama said:

Im pretty sure no ones cusses because its a rule... i think. Idk, im not brave/dumb enough to try and poke the ̶b̶e̶a̶r̶ monocle man

I said the word for baby donkey by accident before in a typo and my message got automatically hidden.

The forums is a wonderful place of great people and horrors that come from under a rotten log to give all sorts of opinions, anger, critique, need of help or rare appreciation of Klei's as a whole work. Going down the rabbit hole you'd go insane so best to stay on waters above as some things are best to left to sink.

Other than that, Klei kinda get the idea of what the community that's vocal enough here wants combined with other communities like steam or other and compartamentalize all of them into one sloppy mush bar of a content update, refining it and cooking it for a while before it turns into a nice edible fried mudslop. (if you get the reference.) Whatever comes in most understandable way they can read opinions and suggestions they'll work around them accordingly while keeping their secret ideas and what not about how the game should be intact.

Bet it's a stressful job for those like JoeW and others that keep this place organized and make a full written presentation of what the community wants and through the nightmares they gotta deal or read through here to get something that everyone is gonna be pleased with or hate or be mediocre enough to fill the short attention spans of everyone for the next upcoming monthly updates cause my god we are damn spoiled.

To be frank, the forums are a lot better than they were a few years ago. Used to have legit angry mobs chasing people around every topic trying to drive them away. Even seen it leak onto other sites/services here and there.

The angy-posting now pales in comparison to what used to be thrown around.

Doesn't stop me from having no desire to give feedback anymore unless I'm feeling quirky, but at least it's nice for the new people.

Honestly, as someone who have been around since Don't starve didn't even have seasons, i don't remember anyone complaining about anything prior to 2017-2018.. 

Truth is, back in the day, the dev team was very on point with everything, but since 2018 they kept dropping the ball more often than not, and kept ignoring people's concerns.. 

 

 

 

 

On 11/22/2023 at 1:40 AM, WainingWabbits said:

Honestly, as someone who have been around since Don't starve didn't even have seasons, i don't remember anyone complaining about anything prior to 2017-2018.. 

Truth is, back in the day, the dev team was very on point with everything, but since 2018 they kept dropping the ball more often than not, and kept ignoring people's concerns.. 

This game was built on feedback, as any game really. This includes both complaints and praise, and games tend to improve with complaints. Have you tried actually browsing the forums? Klei has built this game on player feedback, they involve their playerbase's input more than most games do. I think you may just be blinded by your unexplainable hate for new DST content.

 

There just are some people that are just despicable sometimes. And you wonder why they still are around the place if they hate the game and act all negative all the time by still getting away with it? We had some very infamous people around here with some others not being as relevant anymore, and the kind that are less constructive and more destructive to which we probably would want to have around least yet I guess we also have to be patient with them. At least till someone finally snaps and will be done with 'em.

I don't think pointing fingers here will be necessary, but if they're reading then they'll know. :) Don't test people's and Klei employee patience, we're here to have constructive feedback and enjoy the game. Never stick with same old things you're complaining about because it just makes one seem like a broken record and not contributing anything to the forums.

Having proper arguments is key for better content we'd get for the game and better responses from people. Nobody likes a jester that comes with only the same punchline.

26 minutes ago, Frosty_Mentos said:

Having proper arguments is key for better content

yeah, what i see now many post or thread having one sided argument. like the argument given to other parties was not taking into their consideration, instead of giving proper explanation about why they disagree they just keep pushing the idea of what they believe to be the best of this game :crushed: 

3 hours ago, Hungry French said:

I wonder who baits me to create such a thread ?

Did the toxic behavior of people on the forum force me to do this?

 

One always has the choice to disengage from contents or discussions that they find disagreeable. Lashing out is just unhealthy, no one is forcing you to make a hate thread. You can simply disengage if discussions are going nowhere, take a break if things get too heated

 

We all care about the well-being of other members in this forum since we're a community and fans of Klei's game

 

 

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