Do you think we will ever free Charlie from the Nightmare Throne and unlock her as a playable Character?

[GelatinousCube]

I was thinking what the probability of this actually happening were and thought I might make a poll for it.

I personally would really enjoy freeing her eventually and having her as an official playable character.
I wouldn't want her to be insanely good but rather similar to Maxwell and Wanda instead with strong perks but a rather heavy downside (yeah I know they both theoretically have big downsides but in practice they are somewhat ignorable once you learn how to combat them and Maxwell right now is an absolute beast - on PC at least, I don't think his spells are quite as easy to spam and use on Console, but I digress..) that really requires you to play her differently than others.

Perhaps Shadow Creatures would appear from time to time (Maybe once every few in-game days?) regardless of your sanity to try and hunt and drag her back down to the Nightmare Throne (they want her back) but it could be a new unique shadow creature that doesn't drop Nightmare fuel or she'd just be swimming in it. 
I also don't think she should retain too much power from sitting on the throne as it clearly stripped Wilson of any power it may or may not have given him - although I don't think he was on it for very long, he took over from Maxwell and then Charlie quickly took it from him. Similarly Maxwell's abilities seem to be ones he had with the Codex Umbra long before being on the throne. 

I love her aesthetic and isn't freeing her from the throne more or less Winona's ultimate goal? I'm pretty sure Maxwell would also be pretty keen to rescue her as well, same with Wilson perhaps considering she saved him from it. It kinda seems like the ultimate goal/end game for DST naturally as she is yet another victim of the constant at the end of the day and doesn't deserve to have her personality warped/partially taken over by shadow entities or Them or whatever the hell is actually going on there. 

After saving her I'd still want the same mechanics during Night - perhaps even ramped up as rescuing her should only be an option as a long, difficult mission once you've done everything else (CC and Fuelweaver both and whatever bosses we get from the Rift content) and perhaps that mysterious portal way in the Archives could lead to the throne. Rather than a separate shard it could simply be a separated area in the Caves but with some sort of mechanic to stop you from simply void walking there like Archives (for us long term retrofitted players) and Atrium. After freeing her rather than things calming down the power of the shadows ramps up as they are desperate to put someone else back on the throne so not only do you get attacked when in total darkness too long but you actually get attacked by a Terrorbeak that spawns in and continues to attack/hunt you until its defeated. Only actually appears and spawns if you get hit in total darkness so you can't just farm it. Perhaps it should even be the same unique shadow creature that hunts Charlie as part of her kit and doesn't drop nightmare fuel at all so you can't just take a hit and farm it every night for even more NM fuel. 

Anyway let me know what you think, any ideas you have for how rescuing her might look like mechanically or thematically, what playing her as a character might be like or what abilities/perks/downsides you'd like her to have and how you think this should affect the constant if it was a thing. Or tell me why we should never be able to rescue her, whatever!

[Masked Koopa]

I don't think it'd be covering any unique ground that couldn't be covered by Willow/Maxwell/Wanda, especially with their skill trees coming up. I could see charlie being released if the game ever has a proper ending, but I don't see the merit in making her playable, especially given DST doesn't use playable characters as gameplay rewards - instead you invest into a character via insight points.

[gamehun20]

Here's why i don't think Charlie will be playable. Her name doesn't start with W or a M also i think when the survivors finally rescue Charlie they would try to get out of the constant as fast as possible and not stay there 

[SapoLover]

It has always been certain to me. It's impossible for it not to happen. When the final update in the final arc arrives, we will be able to rescue/separate her from her other "personality". And there will be an epilogue arc about her adventures dealing with problems and creatures neither of them, Maxwell and Charlie, knew about, so the constant becomes a safe place to stay for the survivors that decide not to leave the constant. And after that, we will finally get the news about their new game. Don't Starve Threeguether. That's what I think is going to happen.

[Shuckster]

I've always liked the idea of making her playable and justifying it by having her "dark side" becoming independent and becoming the throne holder. While the human side of Charlie gets betrayed in the name of Them, but still tainted by shadows and becoming playable. But of course, I don't think it'll happen and IDK how much it even makes sense lore-wise. If it does ever theoretically happen, I would like to see something similar happen to Wagstaff and him become playable.

[Mike23Ua]

I look at dst as sort of being a game with “seasons”

Klei has never specified when or where DST will end.. and as far as WE know they plan to support it as much as Minecraft has been supported by its Devs.

And if that is the case, Instead of getting a DS 3 or whatever, Klei will likely continue to upgrade & update DST. (with the biggest limitation being N-Switch)

Anyway, with no definitive “ending” DSTs updates are released as well Uhm- Named “Seasons”

First was “Return of Them” now we have “From Beyond” these “Seasons” span multiple updates which can go on over several years (as was seen with RoT)

Once we Rescue Charlie, I would prefer that two things happen-

1- a true villain replaces her who is truly evil & corrupt & just an overall bad unlikeable dude who got retconned from Klei’s playable characters list. Yes I’m talking about Warbucks, it would be fitting, and also a nod to those who remember him.

2- Charlie becomes playable now that a new threat controls the constant, a bigger evil takes her previous role & playable Charlie as a survivor helping the others could have some cool shadow magic powers like Maxwell, but different from Maxwell.. sort of to cement a story that: Anyone who sits on the Nightmare throne is plagued with small traces of lingering corruption.

 

[Terra B Welch]

Where's the "Don't Care" option for the third poll question?

Anywho wouldn't charlie break the whole theme of the playable characters names starting with W? Even Maxwell mostly sticks to this theme with M just being an upside-down W and his debug name being Waxwell.

While I'm sure eventually there will be an ending to DST's story, I don't think we'll ever have charlie as a playable character, but I wouldn't be mad at all if she did.

[Jakepeng99]

I want to unlock Wagstaff.

[flamboyant wolf]

1 hour ago, Terra B Welch said:

 

Even Maxwell mostly sticks to this theme with M just being an upside-down W and his debug name being Waxwell.

 

and his real name being William. 

[Thalkas]

I don't think so that Charlie should be playable.

In Don't Starve Maxwell was inprisoned at throne by someone or dark magic. Any character could save him and took his place but still all of them were mind-free. Also Maxy was mind-free. Dark magic could make lookalikes but couldn't took fully mind of archetype.

When in Don't Starve Together, Charlie's personalities merged in one. She is sitting on throne because she want to do it 'cause her mind is saturaded by dark magic. Literally Charlie accepted own fate and let dark magic be with her.

I'm not sure if we should call her Charlie anymore because her human part is hard connected to dark which making her new - by that - new "human like creature".

If we could save her then I see two potential ending of her reign:

1. She defeated dark magic in her body and could back with rests to normal world with help of Wagstaff. Only Wilson couldn't go with them because between-world portal closed by new protagonist. It should start new history of DST without good know characters and make new ones instand oraz new game from DS franchise.

2. She defeated dark magic but mostly everything what she created still live in Constant. Charlie after all said "sorry" to everyone and turn into dust. All characters stays in Constant and new protagonist born.

 

Also not sure if we could connect DS and DST history and looking on similiars. For me both game are different timeline/universe. They are both ongoing in same time and way but they are other from selfselves. In one Constant we don't have Charlie as human-like 'cause she is just Max memory, turned by dark magic in some sort creature, when in second Constant Charlie is more important than Max and she is the Queen. Whose know how much universes could be with own story.

[lakhnish]

Charlie isn't trapped by the nightmare throne at all.

When the survivors sit on the throne, they aren't allowed to leave it.

Charlie doesn't have that restriction and you've even seen her free Wilson from the throne. 

[GelatinousCube]

41 minutes ago, lakhnish said:

Charlie isn't trapped by the nightmare throne at all.

When the survivors sit on the throne, they aren't allowed to leave it.

Charlie doesn't have that restriction and you've even seen her free Wilson from the throne. 

Very good points hmmm

[Tranoze]

You mean Wharlie?

[Jakepeng99]

3 hours ago, lakhnish said:

Charlie isn't trapped by the nightmare throne at all.

When the survivors sit on the throne, they aren't allowed to leave it.

Charlie doesn't have that restriction and you've even seen her free Wilson from the throne. 

That reminds me of that whole massive lore point with Wagstaff that was actually a bug fixed ages later.

[Well-met]

I think it'd be cool only if it coincides with the end of dst updates

[Retepeter]

6 hours ago, gamehun20 said:

Here's why i don't think Charlie will be playable. Her name doesn't start with W or a M also i think when the survivors finally rescue Charlie they would try to get out of the constant as fast as possible and not stay there 

The stageplay was written by "C.W" meaning second her name does start with a W

[gamehun20]

10 minutes ago, Retepeter said:

The stageplay was written by "C.W" meaning second her name does start with a W

Where is this found?

[Retepeter]

3 minutes ago, gamehun20 said:

Where is this found?

examining the stagebill or whatever its called

[gamehun20]

15 minutes ago, Retepeter said:

examining the stagebill or whatever its called

When i examine the playbill i get the characters and act/scene number?

[Cassielu]

I think it's actually very likely to happen after from beyond arc ends. In the current story, Charlie and Wagstaff's purposes seem to be at odds with each other, and while players are free to support either of them, for a studio as small as Klei, I find it hard to believe they will make two different story branches.

That means they need to somehow smooth out the difference between the two options - they can't win together, but they can lose together. And we do have another hidden character perfect for ending both the Shadow and the Moon thing and becoming the new big bad, Metheus, who has waited too long in the background, and it's time for her to come to the fore.

[Jakepeng99]

5 minutes ago, Cassielu said:

I think it's actually very likely to happen after from beyond arc ends. In the current story, Charlie and Wagstaff's purposes seem to be at odds with each other, and while players are free to support either of them, for a studio as small as Klei, I find it hard to believe they will make two different story branches.

That means they need to somehow smooth out the difference between the two options - they can't win together, but they can lose together. And we do have another hidden character perfect for ending both the Shadow and the Moon thing and becoming the new big bad, Metheus, who has waited too long in the background, and it's time for her to come to the fore.

Maybe the final final boss is a ying and yang combination of the two?

[lakhnish]

1 hour ago, gamehun20 said:

When i examine the playbill i get the characters and act/scene number?

It's Wilson's quote for when the book is removed from the playbill, which you currently can't do in-game.

[Retepeter]

1 hour ago, gamehun20 said:

When i examine the playbill i get the characters and act/scene number?

i cant be bothered to go in the game, here it is from the wiki

[gamehun20]

2 minutes ago, Retepeter said:

i cant be bothered to go in the game, here it is from the wiki

Interesting 

[hoppin mandrake]

I believe Charlie and Maxwell were just puppets of "them." Those that pulled Maxwell and Charlie into the Constant to begin with from the Codex Umbra. I think she will eventually be freed and maybe we will see who the real masters of the Constant are.

I believe it's called the Nightmare throne because whoever sits on it will forcibly have their nightmares manifested in the reality of the constant. Everything that exists in the constant so far is the nightmares of both Maxwell and Charlie except for what little was there when they first arrived.

That's just my fanfiction anyway. I'm not an expert on the lore or anything so maybe someone could tell me if anything above is contradicted in the game.